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Barb,
never use FO to cook with. It must not be heated.

"The substance that is so important for respiration is very heat sensitive. It will be destroyed at approximately 42? C." ( Johanna Budwig: Der Tod des Tumors - Band II, page 158). 42? C is approximately 108? F. You can add FO after cooking when it has cooled down. Better yet, add Oleolux which is a coconut oil/FO mixture. See our files under "Foods".

Coconut oil (CNO) is well suited for sautéing and other high heat applications. Oleolux is not because it has FO in it. It is a good general policy not to cook with oils and rather to add them later. If you need to use some fat for frying, use a small amount of CNO and add Oleolux later to taste.

You can also fry with water. Just use enough to prevent sticking and then add oils later. I do that often. Nobody notices the difference if it is done right. I got the idea from Udo Erasmus who said somewhere the "The best oil to fry with is water". It sounds like a joke and it was meant that way, in part anyway, but it has truth value and it works - in many applications anyway.

Wilhelm

Can you cook with flaxseed oil or would coconut
or some other oil be better? I sautee eggplant
frequently and eggplants soaks up lots of oil
when it cooks.
Barb



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Barb,
It is the beet. Everytime I juice beets it happens.
Nelson

How long does a bottle of Eldi oils last?

..>
One thing you could do, is try to find someone
from this group who lives nearby and then share
the
cost of two bottles. That has been attempted
before.

Wilhelm


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Hi,
I juiced a whole beet in with some carrots last
week and red in stool next day. It really looked
like blood so didn't know what to do so I stopped
juicing a whole beet and only put a piece of one
in. I'll try it again in awhile and if it
happens again, I'll know it was the beet but beet
juice is REALLY deep, deep red so is confusing if
shows up anywhere.
Maybe color is from carrots or flaxseed or maybe
both. I guess it isn't a problem. I just
wondered if other experience that with the fso
diet. I don't drink enough water though I know.
..>
From: "=^. .^=" <ms.katlee@...>
Subject: Pee is very yellow---CARROTS!!

You mentioned you are drinking lots of carrot
juice ....let me tell you a little story...

When my son was much younger he loved beets.
One morning he got up to pee and said to me it
was
a different color. I looked and it was reddish
in color.



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YANG.........your question is sort of humorous........ if you take the mix before, or after a meal then it would be part of your other question "between a meal", right..the only part missing is should you take it with a meal.. just sharing my insight, however I would think it would depend on your preference if you prefer it on an empty stomach or a full stomach..

Cheers, and smile.

Gerry Logan

Read with interest from the site below "Do you always wondered about
how to make Quark. Well it is not very hard to make. We will show
you how to make Quark with buttermilk and with yoghurt. The cost is
about $1.00 per pound!"

If they can make quark for 1.00 a lb someone is giving them the
ingredients. I have been making quark from milk, culture starter,
and a Salton yoghurt maker YM9 (same unit but 1/2 the price). I may
try their starter idea and see how it works.
Nelson


--- In FlaxSeedOil2@..., "Catherine Coy"
<catherinecoy@c...> wrote:

Someone may want to add to the archives:

Should fo/yogurt be taken before meal, after meal or
between meals during a day? assuming Budwig's diet
protocol is not be exactly followed now.

Please share your insight. Thanks a lot!

-yang



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Hi Phinneas,

I will try to answer your questions as good as I can.

Am I also right in assuming that to apply pure FO to the body,

may not be the best of ideas? Or, could that be an acceptable
practice? What about using pure cold-pressed coconut oil?
Any ideas on that will be appreciated.

FO is an alternative but it is not as good as Eldi Oils. Had it been, Dr.Budwig would not have gone through the trouble of developing them. If I were to use FO, I would use the same method of application as given for Eldi Oil "R" in our files.
Coconut oil is not an alternative for Eldi Oil as it is mainly saturated fat.

As you wrote, ordering from over-seas adds a very large

cost to buying Eldi Oils, and most of us are not exactly rich. :-)

I know

Wilhelm, simply for the sake of economy, do you think that

for making up one's own variation of Eldi Oil for skin application,
could it be possible for you or others on this forum to help
to work out suitable ratios of suitable oils, and to pass that
information on to one and all of us? I know it is a big "ask",
but I am sure many of us would be very grateful for that.

I don't know the formula of the Eldi Oils. It is proprietary. I know that two of the oils used are FO and wheat germ oil but I don't know the proportion and I don't know if there are any other ingredients/oils. Just because none are listed does not necessarily mean that none are included. Since they are only for external use, I tend to believe that there are other ingredients in it as well.

If you would want to add some wheat germ oil to your FO and try to approximate Eldi Oil that way, that is up to you. I see no harm in that if the wheat germ oil is pure, cold pressed and not adulterated in any way. I would not want to speculate on the formula though.

One thing you could do, is try to find someone from this group who lives nearby and then share the cost of two bottles. That has been attempted before.

Wilhelm



----- Original Message -----
From: Phinneas
To: FlaxSeedOil2@...
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 4:46 AM
Subject: QUESTIONS Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] Eldi Oils versus other Omega 3



-----Original Message-----
From: Wilhelm Hansen <wilhelmh@...>
To: FlaxSeedOil2@... <FlaxSeedOil2@...>
Date: Thursday, August 12, 2004 1:54 AM
Subject: Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] Eldi Oils versus other Omega 3


Hello Wilhelm, I wonder if you and others with knowledge
can possibly help with questions about Eldi Oils and Flax
Seed oil.

But, before my questions: --- you wrote:
>Grape seed and sesame oils are NO substitute for
>Eldi Oils. They have a completely different make-up
> and will not give you the same results. ***Since they are
>high in omega-6 they may even be counter productive
> to the healing process.*** ...
>...
> ... >The cost of Eldi Oils is actually not that high - it is
>bumped up because of the high cost of shipping.
>The $100 figure you are quoting includes shipping
>and is for 2 bottles. ...

You quoted -- From: rickmuenzer
To: FlaxSeedOil2@...
Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 9:54 AM
Subject: [FlaxSeedOil2] Good Review

>>>> 9. ... A lack or deficiency of
Omega 3 will result in a lack or deficiency of PG3s.
***The ratio of Omega 6 to Omega 3 is also crucial,
as excess Omega 6 as compared to Omega 3 promotes
tumor formation.***

Research suggests that the ratio of Omega 6 to Omega 3
should be no greater than 5:1. A typical ratio in most
people's diets is in excess of 20:1.

...11. In the November 1986 Journal of the National Cancer Institute
research indicated that Omega 3 and one of its derivatives as well
as three of the derivatives of Omega 6 were seen to selectively
destroy human cancer cells in tissue culture without damaging
normal cells ... >>>>
~~~

From the above, obviously there are risks of causing more
damage than good by blindly using any old oil mixture.

Am I also right in assuming that to apply pure FO to the body,
may not be the best of ideas? Or, could that be an acceptable
practice? What about using pure cold-pressed coconut oil?
Any ideas on that will be appreciated.

As you wrote, ordering from over-seas adds a very large
cost to buying Eldi Oils, and most of us are not exactly rich. :-)

Wilhelm, simply for the sake of economy, do you think that
for making up one's own variation of Eldi Oil for skin application,
could it be possible for you or others on this forum to help
to work out suitable ratios of suitable oils, and to pass that
information on to one and all of us? I know it is a big "ask",
but I am sure many of us would be very grateful for that.

Sincerely,
Phinneas

Catherine,

It is automatically in our archives when you post it here.
I believe you mean to add it to the files. I just did that as you can see below. I am posting the entire quark file. Look at the last 3 lines.

Wilhelm



Different methods of making your own Quark:

1. Quark from Buttermilk - Recipe #1
(Main recipe - easy - reliable - good tasting - like Quark in Germany)

Make or buy cultured low fat buttermilk, pour it into a Pyrex pot, cover with lid,
place it in the oven at 150? F for 8 hours.
Strain it until you end up with about 66% (2/3) of the total in whey (1 hour or more).
The taste and consistency is like the Quark in Germany.


2. Quark from Buttermilk - Recipe #2
(Unreliable - depends on buttermilk - drains poorly - slimy consistency)

Make or buy low fat buttermilk and strain it.
It strains poorly and takes about 6-8 hours to get about 55-60% whey
as opposed to about 1 hour for 66% whey in the heated method above.
As a result, the quark consistency is on the thin side and it is also somewhat slimy.
The taste is good.
The whey contains some milk solids and still tastes like buttermilk.
Note:
This method depends on the thickness of the buttermilk.
It does not work the same from batch to batch.
You require 5 tblsp of this quark to equal 4 tblsp of the above heated type.


3. Quark from Yogurt
(Reliable - tastes more acid than Buttermilk Quark)

Buy organic skim milk and make yogurt, using purchased yogurt as a culture.
Then strain it until you end up with about 66% (2/3) of the total in whey (2-3 hours).
The whey can be slightly slimy and fairly acid.

This method was discussed in detail some time ago.
The experience of everyone was that it would not strain well.
The consensus was that it was difficult to get even 50% whey from it.
It also tasted quite acid which would intensify even more under refrigerated
storage (postacidification). This seems to have been solved with a different bacteria
combinations in the cultures.


4. Or you can go to this site:

and buy their quark maker.

Ed

Thanks. Will investigate.

I am trying to cut down on the number of pills (supplements) my husband is taking. He is now taking 6 curcumin caps, 400mg each, a day. With Swanson he could cut the amount of caps in half.

Ksenlja

steeleglas@... wrote:
Ksenija
Yes each 900 mg cap is standardized to 95% curcuminoids with bioperine
included. Go to www.swansonvitamins.com or do a Google search for information
concerning Nexrutine Plus.
Ed Brenner


Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 23:21:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ksenija oberlander <ksenija_oberlander@...>
Subject: Re: Curcumin and Nexrutine Plus

Ed

Sorry I did not respond right away. I am way behind in my e-mails. I have
over 600 in my box now.

So you take the Swanson curcumin brand .Is it the extract form that is
standardized to contain 95% of total curcumnoids?. How many mgs in each cap? Is
black pepper included or do you buy it separately?

Since my husband's PSA is rising at an alarming rate, we were hoping to slow
it down by increasing Curcumin to the maximum,. tolerable dose. Dr. Torres
suggests 3 grams a day with black pepper.

I am not familiar with Nexrutine Plus. Can you give me some information on
it?

Thanks

Ksenija



steeleglas@... wrote:
Ksenija
I've taken this product for a few years with no known problems. I alternate 2
caps per day of curcumin with 2 caps per day of Nexrutine Plus also from
Swanson Vitamins.
Ed Brenner



Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 16:54:34 -0700 (PDT)

From: Ksenija oberlander <ksenija_oberlander@...>

Subject: Re: Curcumin Source


Ed



This is indeed a good price. Have you been taking this prfoduct and are you
toleratling it well?



Ksenjia


steeleglas@... wrote:

I purchase curcumin from www.swansonvitamins.com. I bottle of 60 caps each

with 900mg plus bioperine costs $11.39.

Ed Brenner





Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2004 20:17:02 -0000


From: "dazmolikeit" <slickpicker@...>


Subject: Curcumin and food



--- In FlaxSeedOil2@..., "Alex Torres" <atorres@d...>


wrote:

Dear Terry,

Curcumin is quite aggressive with the esophagus and the gastric

linen

and I recommend to my patients to ingest it with food and some

calcium

carbonate.

Hi Alex:



Thanks much for your prompt reply. Life Extension also recommends


taking their product with food. The reason I asked relates to the


following I saw on a physician's site who advocates hormone blockade


along with certain complementary supplements:



"The owner of the company that makes this product recommends that men


with prostate cancer be treated with two capsules three times per day


on an empty stomach, although the literature that I received


recommended taking it with a heavy meal. The owner of the company is


aware of this, and states that the recommendation to take it with food


is not correct, that it should be taken on an empty stomach. The good


news is that it is inexpensive; 60 capsules cost only about $15.00.


The product can be ordered by calling (888) 852-4993. The name of the


company is Natural Health Consultants."



Regards,


Terry

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Someone may want to add to the archives:

Hi Group ~

Can anyone point to an excerpt from Dr. Budwig's book wherein she explains why and how the sulphur from cottage cheese changes the dynamic of flax seed (Omega 3) and provides the cancer-fighting component? I'm too tired today to look it up. Thanks.

Flax is a notoriously unstable oil. Your ground flax seed is starting to
turn rancid within a 1/2 hr. of grinding. I used to do the same thing you do
now. Then I read one day how quickly ground flaxseeds/ the oil goes rancid.
Now I clean my grinder religiously after each grind.
Harry

--- In FlaxSeedOil2@..., "Catherine Coy"
<catherinecoy@c...> wrote:

I know that the freshness of the oil makes all the difference, so I

grind flax seed immediately before each use. I haven't been in the
habit of wiping out the grinder; I just shake/tap it as clean as I
can. Do you think that the meal left behind in the grinder
contaminates the fresh seeds that follow at the next use? If so, I
guess I should be careful to completely wipe the storage cup clean
every time, yes?

I use a small BBQ basting brush to clean out the cup and cap, followed
by wiping with a dry paper towel.

Terry

I know that the freshness of the oil makes all the difference, so I grind flax seed immediately before each use. I haven't been in the habit of wiping out the grinder; I just shake/tap it as clean as I can. Do you think that the meal left behind in the grinder contaminates the fresh seeds that follow at the next use? If so, I guess I should be careful to completely wipe the storage cup clean every time, yes?

--- In FlaxSeedOil2@..., "Wilhelm Hansen" <wilhelmh@t...>
wrote:

I would not risk reducing the effectiveness of the Budwig Diet,

while taking it to fight cancer, by taking antioxidant supplements of
any kind, including vitamin C, unless someone can say for sure that it
is not a problem. Remember, Dr.Budwig did not give her patients any
pills and look at her success rate.

Wilhelm

I would be interested to hear from Larry Clapp in this subject, since
his suggested regimen includes both the Budwig smoothie and certain
antioxidants (e.g., CoQ10).

Terry

Paul,
I am aware of what Mike Martin wrote and I responded to him after he wrote it (msg# 17578). What I found interesting in what you wrote and what I was asking about was specifically this paragraph...

Studies have reported that the enzymes used in these pathways were found to prefer the omega-3 pathway. It turns out then that in diets high in omega-3 fatty acids, most of the enzymes will be "busy" converting the omega-3 acids. <

...which led you to conclude the following:

So if I am deciphering this correctly, omega 3 pathway is naturally an inhibitor of arachidonic acid and if we inhibit the enzyme that inhibits 5 lo/cox 2, we also inhibit the conversion of omega 3s. It looks like we would need to do one or the other. Since the Budwig diet already "forbids" beef, lamb and pork (the major contributors of non-converted by the body) arachidonic acid, and the body also prefers omega 3 pathway over the omega 6, then it would seem that the Budwig Diet is all that is needed and one more reason the diet works. It also seems that the only supplement she (Budwig) wanted is yeast flakes which provides B vitamins.

More research needs to be done to determine if curcumin inhibits arachidonic acid conversion to 5 hete without the inhibition of omega 3 pathway. If so I would like to know so that I may add it back into my supplement plan. I do not think it wise to take anything that will inhibit the omega 3 pathway and therefore inhibit the Budwig diet. <

Wilhelm




Wilhelm,
The references to the cox inhibitors is in message I posted #20986.
This was taken from a post by the authors of www.flaxrd.com .
I am hoping that the action of 5 lo inhibitors is after the main
conversions of omega 3 and that the specific cox 2 inhibition does
not effect the conversion of omega 3. I don't know and I would like
to know an answer.
Paul

Thanks Paul

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