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chatter


Bill
 

Hi all I am a newbie , I am having difficulty with chatter even on light cuts. I am trying the tuning method explained in mini-lathe .com. I got a micro mark 7x16 lathe I have done a few light turning with it and went pretty well then I had to do a taper and thats when the problem began. I am having trouble adjusting the saddle mostly when I follow the instructions if I tighten the setscrews the saddle is very hard to move so obviously more than finger tight is too much does that make sense? Also the 1 mil it says to attain gap between ways and saddle would also make the saddle hard to move. I must be doing something wrong?
Bill


William McBride
 

On my chatter issue the instructions refer to 1 mil gap between ways and the saddle is this .001 of an inch?
Bill


 

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Hello Bill,
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The following on adjusting the carriage gibs assumes that you are using a properly sharpened tool bit, all the angles are correct,?it is set to the proper height, and that the gibs on the cross slide and compound are properly adjusted.
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There are six cap screws that you use to adjust the carriage gibs. Three are located on the back side underneath the carriage. The other three are located under the front side of the carriage but they are behind the apron. These adjustment cap screws are pretty sensitive. On my machine, I only used my fingers to make the cap screw adjustments. No Allen wrench was needed. If you snug them up a bit too much,?the carriage will be too tight and will bind. If they are too?loose, then the cap screws may vibrate out and fall onto the chip tray.
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When I ran into the problem of the cap screws vibrating out, I removed the carriage and cleaned any oil out of the screw holes, and cleaned the threads on the cap screws. Then I put a little GE silicone sealer on the threads to act as a little thread locker. This held them from loosening up again, but made them easy to remove or adjust again if needed.
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One way to gain access to the front cap screw adjusters it is to remove the apron. This is done by removing the two large cap screws that attach it to the carriage. Make a note, maybe?even take?picture of the location of these cap screws for the apron before removing them. The holes are over sized to allow for alignment adjustment. (When you reassemble try to get them close to where they were)
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Gently slide the apron carefully out of the way. It?will not fall off because?the split nut will hold it to the lead screw. If leaving the apron on the lead screw presents a problem then you will need to remove the right side lead screw pillow block bracket so you can slide the apron off the lead screw. If you do this, you will have to re-align both the apron and right side lead screw pillow block. Not a big deal.
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Also make sure to remove the thread dial indicator so it does not inhibit the movement of the apron.
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You should now?be able to slide the carriage back and forth on the bed as you adjust the front and rear cap screws. The carriage should slide easily without binding, but you should not be able to feel any?slop when lifting up on the front or rear of the carriage.
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Don't mess with the two set screws along with their lock nuts which are located between the cap screws. Doing so will make for much more work. Others will tell you remove them all together and shim the gibs but I don't think that this is necessary on a new lathe. (Others will disagree) See section 3 of the assembly instructions.
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Make sure the split nut (power feed lever) is engaged before retightening the apron cap screws to the carriage so the apron is properly aligned. This is covered in section 4 of the assembly instruction from Micromark.
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You may also want to remove the back splash to gain easier access to the rear carriage cap screw adjusters.
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If the chatter continues after the carriage gibs are adjusted, you can isolate the compound and cross slide gibs by first tightening the compound's gibs so it is locked down. If the chatter continues then tighten down the cross slide's gibs and see if the chatter goes away.

Michael - USA
Micro-Mark MicroLux 7x16

-----Original Message-----
From: 7x12minilathe@... [mailto:7x12minilathe@...] On Behalf Of Bill
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 4:29 PM
To: 7x12minilathe@...
Subject: [7x12minilathe] chatter

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Hi all I am a newbie , I am having difficulty with chatter even on light cuts. I am trying the tuning method explained in mini-lathe .com. I got a micro mark 7x16 lathe I have done a few light turning with it and went pretty well then I had to do a taper and thats when the problem began. I am having trouble adjusting the saddle mostly when I follow the instructions if I tighten the setscrews the saddle is very hard to move so obviously more than finger tight is too much does that make sense? Also the 1 mil it says to attain gap between ways and saddle would also make the saddle hard to move. I must be doing something wrong?
Bill


William McBride
 

I have already changed the set screws with the lock nuts trying to get down to the 1 mil gap is that .001 inch? I have about .008 gap at front of saddle maybe .005 at back. I gave up spent a few hrs working on it needed to quit for tonight.The saddle moves very nicely seems to have no play haven't tried a cut yet. Did I make a mistake touching the set screws its very frustrating to adjust.
Bill


 

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Those set screws with the lock nuts are factory set, which means nothing depending on who set them at the factory.
Mine were set correctly so I never needed to adjust them.
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If when?you?lift up on the front and rear of the carriage and it does not move, but the carriage can still slide the entire length of the bed freely, then the carriage is probably adjusted correctly.
?
What you did was not a mistake, just a little extra learning experience.

Michael - USA
Micro-Mark MicroLux 7x16


-----Original Message-----
From: 7x12minilathe@... [mailto:7x12minilathe@...] On Behalf Of William McBride
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 5:13 PM
To: 7x12minilathe@...
Subject: RE: [7x12minilathe] chatter

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I have already changed the set screws with the lock nuts trying to get down to the 1 mil gap is that .001 inch? I have about .008 gap at front of saddle maybe .005 at back. I gave up spent a few hrs working on it needed to quit for tonight.The saddle moves very nicely seems to have no play haven't tried a cut yet. Did I make a mistake touching the set screws its very frustrating to adjust.
Bill


 

Look at the underside of the bed; there are sometimes globs of paint that have to be removed to provide a clean path for the slide plates to travel. If that's not a problem, the easy way to adjust the slide plates is with the lathe off its base, turned upside down! Personally, I don't think the clamp/jack screw arrangement scales down well from larger machines - I used shims & eliminated the jack screws.

If you want to keep the clamp/jack screw arrangement, use the clamp screws to make the carriage slightly stiff to slide. Then, use the jack screws to slightly free it up. You'll need to be careful; the slide plates are brittle, too much jack screw pressure can fracture them. (That's why I went with shims.) The theory is that the jack screws provide enough force to keep both sets of screws from vibrating loose.

Check your tool height; a tool that's a little high will chatter.

Roy

--- In 7x12minilathe@..., "Bill" wrote:

Hi all I am a newbie , I am having difficulty with chatter even on light cuts. I am trying the tuning method explained in mini-lathe .com. I got a micro mark 7x16 lathe I have done a few light turning with it and went pretty well then I had to do a taper and thats when the problem began. I am having trouble adjusting the saddle mostly when I follow the instructions if I tighten the setscrews the saddle is very hard to move so obviously more than finger tight is too much does that make sense? Also the 1 mil it says to attain gap between ways and saddle would also make the saddle hard to move. I must be doing something wrong?
Bill


John Best
 

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Hi Bill,

The problem began when you got into a taper??? Hmmm.? Well, I wouldn¡¯t go straight for the gibs.? I¡¯d look at the tool geometry, that it¡¯s set on the centerline, your cutting speed and the depth of cut to make sure all that¡¯s reasonable for the metal you¡¯re cutting.?? For reference, let¡¯s have your metal and the diameter you¡¯re turning, then we can get the feeds and speeds out of the way.? When you mentioned the taper, I thought about depth of cut varying, which started me thinking ¡®back to basics¡¯.

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By the way, I have had a Micromark 7x14 for almost 5 years now.? Not too much tune-up was required, though I did find a QCTP (Quick Change Tool Post) let me get the tools set a lot faster than shimming them.? That¡¯s where my money is at present (with the scant data at hand), that you¡¯re cutting below center.?

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John B

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From: 7x12minilathe@... [mailto:7x12minilathe@...] On Behalf Of Bill
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 7:29 PM
To: 7x12minilathe@...
Subject: [7x12minilathe] chatter

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Hi all I am a newbie , I am having difficulty with chatter even on light cuts. I am trying the tuning method explained in mini-lathe .com. I got a micro mark 7x16 lathe I have done a few light turning with it and went pretty well then I had to do a taper and thats when the problem began. I am having trouble adjusting the saddle mostly when I follow the instructions if I tighten the setscrews the saddle is very hard to move so obviously more than finger tight is too much does that make sense? Also the 1 mil it says to attain gap between ways and saddle would also make the saddle hard to move. I must be doing something wrong?
Bill


William McBride
 

thanks John,Roy,Michael, The tool is on center I use a quick change tool post I am cutting 1" brass it is now chattering on all cuts not only tapers even if I take off say .005 on a side as for rpm I don't know I have no spindle tach. I tried speeding up the spindle got worse.
Bill


John Best
 

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Try changing cutting bits??

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From: 7x12minilathe@... [mailto:7x12minilathe@...] On Behalf Of William McBride
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 9:11 PM
To: 7x12minilathe@...
Subject: [7x12minilathe] Re: chatter

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thanks John,Roy,Michael, The tool is on center I use a quick change tool post I am cutting 1" brass it is now chattering on all cuts not only tapers even if I take off say .005 on a side as for rpm I don't know I have no spindle tach. I tried speeding up the spindle got worse.
Bill


 

I have very little experience with brass, but isn't it famous for
chatter if the cutting tool doesn't have NO top rake? In other words,
the top of the cutting tool should be completely flat lengthwise? It
sounds more like you have a problem with the tool. I'd try chucking up
a scrap piece of mild steel and see if you still have chatter when
turning that. If there's no problem, then it's probably tool geometry.

Good luck!

Charlie

--- In 7x12minilathe@..., "John Best" wrote:

Try changing cutting bits?



From: 7x12minilathe@...
[mailto:7x12minilathe@...]
On Behalf Of William McBride
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 9:11 PM
To: 7x12minilathe@...
Subject: [7x12minilathe] Re: chatter





thanks John,Roy,Michael, The tool is on center I use a quick change
tool
post I am cutting 1" brass it is now chattering on all cuts not only
tapers
even if I take off say .005 on a side as for rpm I don't know I have
no
spindle tach. I tried speeding up the spindle got worse.
Bill


 

my mm 16 was so loose it near clunked. weather cought up with me so not finished adj with shims.
?
george


From: Michael Jablonski
To: 7x12minilathe@...
Sent: Mon, February 11, 2013 5:31:31 PM
Subject: RE: [7x12minilathe] chatter

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Those set screws with the lock nuts are factory set, which means nothing depending on who set them at the factory.
Mine were set correctly so I never needed to adjust them.
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If when?you?lift up on the front and rear of the carriage and it does not move, but the carriage can still slide the entire length of the bed freely, then the carriage is probably adjusted correctly.
?
What you did was not a mistake, just a little extra learning experience.

Michael - USA
Micro-Mark MicroLux 7x16


-----Original Message-----
From: 7x12minilathe@... [mailto:7x12minilathe@...] On Behalf Of William McBride
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 5:13 PM
To: 7x12minilathe@...
Subject: RE: [7x12minilathe] chatter

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I have already changed the set screws with the lock nuts trying to get down to the 1 mil gap is that .001 inch? I have about .008 gap at front of saddle maybe .005 at back. I gave up spent a few hrs working on it needed to quit for tonight.The saddle moves very nicely seems to have no play haven't tried a cut yet. Did I make a mistake touching the set screws its very frustrating to adjust.
Bill


 

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?Copper based alloys like brass and bronze require different tool bit geometry than tooling for other metals and plastics. In short, most materials - at least on these small lathes - will like some top/back rake so the sharp edge can slice into the material better, whereas tooling for bronze or brass should have zero back rake, as in flat topped. Brass doesn't slice or curly-Q away in a string like other metals or plastics, it kind of crumbles into a thick brass dust for lack of a better term. Once you see/hear/feel it machining right you will know what I am trying to describe.

?I bet if you turn metal or plastic your chatter goes away. But you need a flat topped tool bit, i.e. zero back rake, special just for brass. Its just a whole different animal than steel, aluminum, plastic, etc. Those crappy lathe tools with the soldered on carbide tips generally suck on these little machines because they have no top rake and neither can they hold a sharp edge like HSS can. (Some of them even have a negative rake which only large machines with lots of power and rigidity can get away with using. They are useless on a mini-lathe though.) But with brass those cheap flat topped/zero back rake carbide tipped tools suddenly try to work pretty well. If you have some try one, it will at least work better than any tool designed for steel/aluminum/plastic. Brass/bronze is finicky, if there is any back rake the tool will repeatedly and rapidly dig in and break loose - chatter - and that sounds like what you are running into. Wrong tooling for the material at hand.

?I had a link to a web page that showed the basic turning tool geometries and also showed the flat topped tooling shapes ideal for brass, and so of course I cannot find it now. Hmmm. Hopefully somebody will recall what I am talking about and post a link. (?)

?Cheers,
?John Z., York, Pa. USA.

On 2/11/2013 9:11 PM, William McBride wrote:

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thanks John,Roy,Michael, The tool is on center I use a quick change tool post I am cutting 1" brass it is now chattering on all cuts not only tapers even if I take off say .005 on a side as for rpm I don't know I have no spindle tach. I tried speeding up the spindle got worse.
Bill



MERTON B BAKER
 

Probably, Bill. The reason the Wright brothers could fly their first
powered airplane was that, unlike all the other would-be inventors, they
were both experienced pilots, with many hours in the air flying similar
machines as gliders. Further, they had both cracked up & repaired those
machines several times, and knew a lot abut what to do and expect while in
the air. I tried this learning method myself when learning to fly, and,
just like the Wrights, found it both painful and expensive. I gave it up
and took lessons in a machine with dual controls and a licensed IP. Much
cheaper, & far safer. More fun, too. Same with lathes, but as you don't
have to leave the earth, a lot safer & easier. You should have bought or
borrowed, and read, at least 3 books on lathe operation, maintenance and
toolmaking before buying a lathe; those I have now take up about 3 feet of
shelf space. I had read only one, Igor Bensen's, before trying to learn to
fly from the printed page. Others have done it, but I took the easy way out
after the first expensive smash from an altitude of 3 feet. Now, about
adjusting the gibs on the cross slide:

You need a box end wrench to fit the locknuts, and an Allen wrench to fit
the little screws. Loosen the locknuts, and all the screws, one turn. You
should be able to run the cross slide back & forth the whole way with ease,
and be able to wiggle it a bit with hand pressure. Center it on the
carriage, tighen a central lock screw until the handwheel turns a bit
stiffly, hold the screw STILL! with the Allen wrench, and tighten the
locknut. The handwheel should turn now with much less resistance.
Tightening the locknut backs the adjusting screw out just the right amount.
Try this adjustment method a few times until you are familiar with what to
expect, and the handwheel tension is there, but very slight. Gain
experience. Run the cross slide back & forth over it's full range to check
for uniformity. If all is satisfactory with the one screw adjusted, repeat
the process with the others, working from the middle outward, and checking
the full travel each time. The top slide is adjusted in the same way.

We'll talk about the toolbit next.

Mert

-----Original Message-----
From: 7x12minilathe@...
[mailto:7x12minilathe@...]On Behalf Of Bill
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 7:29 PM
To: 7x12minilathe@...
Subject: [7x12minilathe] chatter


Hi all I am a newbie , I am having difficulty with chatter even on light
cuts. I am trying the tuning method explained in mini-lathe .com. I got a
micro mark 7x16 lathe I have done a few light turning with it and went
pretty well then I had to do a taper and thats when the problem began. I am
having trouble adjusting the saddle mostly when I follow the instructions if
I tighten the setscrews the saddle is very hard to move so obviously more
than finger tight is too much does that make sense? Also the 1 mil it says
to attain gap between ways and saddle would also make the saddle hard to
move. I must be doing something wrong?
Bill



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MERTON B BAKER
 

Doesn't the MM catalog tell us that their lathes are carefully gone over and meticulously adjusted before they go out the door? Haven't read their catalog for a couple of years.



Mert

-----Original Message-----
From: 7x12minilathe@... [mailto:7x12minilathe@...]On Behalf Of george curtis
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 10:29 PM
To: 7x12minilathe@...
Subject: Re: [7x12minilathe] chatter





my mm 16 was so loose it near clunked. weather cought up with me so not finished adj with shims.

george




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From: Michael Jablonski
To: 7x12minilathe@...
Sent: Mon, February 11, 2013 5:31:31 PM
Subject: RE: [7x12minilathe] chatter



Those set screws with the lock nuts are factory set, which means nothing depending on who set them at the factory.
Mine were set correctly so I never needed to adjust them.

If when you lift up on the front and rear of the carriage and it does not move, but the carriage can still slide the entire length of the bed freely, then the carriage is probably adjusted correctly.

What you did was not a mistake, just a little extra learning experience.

Michael - USA
Micro-Mark MicroLux 7x16



-----Original Message-----
From: 7x12minilathe@... [mailto:7x12minilathe@...] On Behalf Of William McBride
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 5:13 PM
To: 7x12minilathe@...
Subject: RE: [7x12minilathe] chatter



I have already changed the set screws with the lock nuts trying to get down to the 1 mil gap is that .001 inch? I have about .008 gap at front of saddle maybe .005 at back. I gave up spent a few hrs working on it needed to quit for tonight.The saddle moves very nicely seems to have no play haven't tried a cut yet. Did I make a mistake touching the set screws its very frustrating to adjust.
Bill


 

Hi Bill,
I have read what others have said and most of it is good advice.
I had the same problem with my MM 7x16. The best thing I have done is to spring for a new pair of tapered roller bearings for the headstock. After changing out the headstock bearings and adjusting them up snug the problem was gone. I did a test cut last week on a piece of a 5/8" reamer shank which is machineable HSS. I chucked the piece in the three jaw chuck , spun it at about 1200 rpm and feeding with the carriage handwheel was able to easily remove .100" per side (.200" on the diameter) with absolutely no chatter. It cut like leaded screw stock. I you do this mod and set the bearings up snug you will see a vast improvement.
Dick

--- In 7x12minilathe@..., "Bill" wrote:

Hi all I am a newbie , I am having difficulty with chatter even on light cuts. I am trying the tuning method explained in mini-lathe .com. I got a micro mark 7x16 lathe I have done a few light turning with it and went pretty well then I had to do a taper and thats when the problem began. I am having trouble adjusting the saddle mostly when I follow the instructions if I tighten the setscrews the saddle is very hard to move so obviously more than finger tight is too much does that make sense? Also the 1 mil it says to attain gap between ways and saddle would also make the saddle hard to move. I must be doing something wrong?
Bill


Jerry Durand
 

Any machine tool needs to be adjusted when installed. The MM might be
closer to working out of the box but I would still expect something to
get tweaked in shipping.

The heavier the machine, the more has to be done to it before you can
use it. Things warp and such just moving the machine.

A friend makes part of his living fixing brand new cars at car lots
before they're sold the first time. So, it's not limited to just
machine tools.

On 02/12/2013 04:06 AM, MERTON B BAKER wrote:
Doesn't the MM catalog tell us that their lathes are carefully gone over and meticulously adjusted before they go out the door? Haven't read their catalog for a couple of years.



Mert

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MERTON B BAKER
 

All true, but I've bought 3 that worked with no problem out of the box from
3 different resellers, non of which claimed to "check out & adjust" before
reselling, as MM does. Merely making an observation.

Mert

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From: 7x12minilathe@...
[mailto:7x12minilathe@...]On Behalf Of Jerry Durand
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 11:07 AM
To: 7x12minilathe@...
Subject: Re: [7x12minilathe] chatter


Any machine tool needs to be adjusted when installed. The MM might be
closer to working out of the box but I would still expect something to
get tweaked in shipping.

The heavier the machine, the more has to be done to it before you can
use it. Things warp and such just moving the machine.

A friend makes part of his living fixing brand new cars at car lots
before they're sold the first time. So, it's not limited to just
machine tools.

On 02/12/2013 04:06 AM, MERTON B BAKER wrote:
Doesn't the MM catalog tell us that their lathes are carefully gone over
and meticulously adjusted before they go out the door? Haven't read their
catalog for a couple of years.



Mert

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Bill;
One of the things to check,is to make sure your tool bit is not extended towards the chuck,or out too far.
The mini has as far as I am concerned,a bad design in the cross slide gibs. I noticed when I had to turn the bit out towards the chuck,I could see the cross slide tip towards the left,causing chatter.
I could actually grab the compound with my hands,and tip it towards the left,it was pivoting on the gib screws.
I had to make a brass gib,that fit almost tight between the saddle, and cross side,to minimize it.
But to eliminate it,I had to add a L shaped piece on the right side to hold down the slide
Brass has a tendency to ''hook''and pull a cutter into a cut,especially if the lathe is loose in the crossslide/compound area.
You can have a little angle on top of the bit,[towards side or back],but can only be a couple of degrees. The bits I have are rough on the surface,and I do this,just to be able to sharpen them ''smooth''.
Another thing you can try,is when you sharpen the bit,and put the radius on the front that does the cutting,only put a few degrees on the radius itself,the cutter will heel on the cut,and not allow
the cutter to dig in.
Allways use a radius ,on brass ,I use app.a .040 to .050 R for the majority of turning,and only use a bit with a ''sharp'' end,when I need to get into a corner that needs to be square/sharp.
--- On Tue, 2/12/13, Dick wrote:


From: Dick
Subject: [7x12minilathe] Re: chatter
To: 7x12minilathe@...
Date: Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 12:28 PM

?

Hi Bill,
I have read what others have said and most of it is good advice.
I had the same problem with my MM 7x16. The best thing I have done is to spring for a new pair of tapered roller bearings for the headstock. After changing out the headstock bearings and adjusting them up snug the problem was gone. I did a test cut last week on a piece of a 5/8" reamer shank which is machineable HSS. I chucked the piece in the three jaw chuck , spun it at about 1200 rpm and feeding with the carriage handwheel was able to easily remove .100" per side (.200" on the diameter) with absolutely no chatter. It cut like leaded screw stock. I you do this mod and set the bearings up snug you will see a vast improvement.
Dick

--- In , "Bill" wrote:
>
> Hi all I am a newbie , I am having difficulty with chatter even on light cuts. I am trying the tuning method explained in mini-lathe .com. I got a micro mark 7x16 lathe I have done a few light turning with it and went pretty well then I had to do a taper and thats when the problem began. I am having trouble adjusting the saddle mostly when I follow the instructions if I tighten the setscrews the saddle is very hard to move so obviously more than finger tight is too much does that make sense? Also the 1 mil it says to attain gap between ways and saddle would also make the saddle hard to move. I must be doing something wrong?
> Bill
>


 

not mine. but maybe i'm just to picky. i don't like rough movements and rough finishes
so after seeing one i'm slowly going through it making sure that everything moves smoothly. a little filing and
and adjusting here and there is making it a much better machine.
?
george


From: MERTON B BAKER To: 7x12minilathe@...
Sent: Tue, February 12, 2013 6:22:43 AM
Subject: RE: [7x12minilathe] chatter

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Doesn't the MM catalog tell us that their lathes are carefully gone over and meticulously adjusted before they go out the door? Haven't read their catalog for a couple of years.

Mert


-----Original Message-----
From: 7x12minilathe@... [mailto:7x12minilathe@...]On Behalf Of george curtis
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 10:29 PM
To: 7x12minilathe@...
Subject: Re: [7x12minilathe] chatter

my mm 16 was so loose it near clunked. weather cought up with me so not finished adj with shims.

george

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From: Michael Jablonski
To: 7x12minilathe@...
Sent: Mon, February 11, 2013 5:31:31 PM
Subject: RE: [7x12minilathe] chatter

Those set screws with the lock nuts are factory set, which means nothing depending on who set them at the factory.
Mine were set correctly so I never needed to adjust them.

If when you lift up on the front and rear of the carriage and it does not move, but the carriage can still slide the entire length of the bed freely, then the carriage is probably adjusted correctly.

What you did was not a mistake, just a little extra learning experience.

Michael - USA
Micro-Mark MicroLux 7x16

-----Original Message-----
From: 7x12minilathe@... [mailto:7x12minilathe@...] On Behalf Of William McBride
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 5:13 PM
To: 7x12minilathe@...
Subject: RE: [7x12minilathe] chatter

I have already changed the set screws with the lock nuts trying to get down to the 1 mil gap is that .001 inch? I have about .008 gap at front of saddle maybe .005 at back. I gave up spent a few hrs working on it needed to quit for tonight.The saddle moves very nicely seems to have no play haven't tried a cut yet. Did I make a mistake touching the set screws its very frustrating to adjust.
Bill


 

what bearings did you use ?
thanks,
george


From: Dick
To: 7x12minilathe@...
Sent: Tue, February 12, 2013 4:29:03 AM
Subject: [7x12minilathe] Re: chatter

?


Hi Bill,
I have read what others have said and most of it is good advice.
I had the same problem with my MM 7x16. The best thing I have done is to spring for a new pair of tapered roller bearings for the headstock. After changing out the headstock bearings and adjusting them up snug the problem was gone. I did a test cut last week on a piece of a 5/8" reamer shank which is machineable HSS. I chucked the piece in the three jaw chuck , spun it at about 1200 rpm and feeding with the carriage handwheel was able to easily remove .100" per side (.200" on the diameter) with absolutely no chatter. It cut like leaded screw stock. I you do this mod and set the bearings up snug you will see a vast improvement.
Dick

--- In 7x12minilathe@..., "Bill" wrote:
>
> Hi all I am a newbie , I am having difficulty with chatter even on light cuts. I am trying the tuning method explained in mini-lathe .com. I got a micro mark 7x16 lathe I have done a few light turning with it and went pretty well then I had to do a taper and thats when the problem began. I am having trouble adjusting the saddle mostly when I follow the instructions if I tighten the setscrews the saddle is very hard to move so obviously more than finger tight is too much does that make sense? Also the 1 mil it says to attain gap between ways and saddle would also make the saddle hard to move. I must be doing something wrong?
> Bill
>