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Re: Single handed sailing

 

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Thanks Everyone for your helpful suggestions.


From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Jonathan Daniel via groups.io <jdaniel1000@...>
Sent: 12 July 2021 21:17
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [wanderer] Single handed sailing
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Also, Inglefield clips on the intermediate reef points save having to tie them afloat...

Jonathan Daniel


On Thursday, 8 July 2021, 05:48:54 BST, PeteS via groups.io <pete.sheppard09@...> wrote:


Morning

I always sail mine single handed, onboard the jib furler and easy to reef main set up are the two things I rely on. I have reefing lines fitted ready to use so I can quickly reef the main afloat if needed.

Ashore the best change I made was a jockey wheel on the trolley !

regards

Pete

On Wednesday, 7 July 2021, 22:20:59 BST, John Renouf <1953jgr@...> wrote:


Tie the ends of the jib sheets together so that the sheet remains within reach on the thwart. It needs to be a decent knot as it takes a battering in use. I use a double sheet bend and make sure that it’s tight. Also a telescopic tiller extension lets you sit further forward in the boat. I usually sit with a leg either side of the thwart, or fully forward of the thwart in light winds.

Regards
John R
W1518



On 7 Jul 2021, at 22:12, Peter Mills <peter_mills@...> wrote:

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Hi All,

I have been sailing my Hartley Wanderer with crew but am planning to have a go single handed.

Do people regularly do this?

If anyone has any helpful advice on doing this or any modifications to make this easier, that would be much appreciated.?

The boat is already rigged so that the Kicker, Cunnigham and Outhaul have long lines coming back to the thwarts.

Many thanks,

Peter
Re: Single handed sailing

 

Also, Inglefield clips on the intermediate reef points save having to tie them afloat...

Jonathan Daniel


On Thursday, 8 July 2021, 05:48:54 BST, PeteS via groups.io <pete.sheppard09@...> wrote:


Morning

I always sail mine single handed, onboard the jib furler and easy to reef main set up are the two things I rely on. I have reefing lines fitted ready to use so I can quickly reef the main afloat if needed.

Ashore the best change I made was a jockey wheel on the trolley !

regards

Pete

On Wednesday, 7 July 2021, 22:20:59 BST, John Renouf <1953jgr@...> wrote:


Tie the ends of the jib sheets together so that the sheet remains within reach on the thwart. It needs to be a decent knot as it takes a battering in use. I use a double sheet bend and make sure that it’s tight. Also a telescopic tiller extension lets you sit further forward in the boat. I usually sit with a leg either side of the thwart, or fully forward of the thwart in light winds.

Regards
John R
W1518



On 7 Jul 2021, at 22:12, Peter Mills <peter_mills@...> wrote:

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Hi All,

I have been sailing my Hartley Wanderer with crew but am planning to have a go single handed.

Do people regularly do this?

If anyone has any helpful advice on doing this or any modifications to make this easier, that would be much appreciated.?

The boat is already rigged so that the Kicker, Cunnigham and Outhaul have long lines coming back to the thwarts.

Many thanks,

Peter
Re: Single handed sailing

 

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Mmm funny all these subtle differences

Mark Allinson

On 9 Jul 2021, at 15:02, Peter Mills <peter_mills@...> wrote:

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No nothing there. Pulleys on the side for spinnaker but nothing on the aft casing of centreboard.

Thanks.

Get

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Mark Allinson via groups.io <m.allinson2@...>
Sent: Friday, July 9, 2021 1:03:56 PM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [wanderer] Single handed sailing
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Do you have the two little pulleys on the sloping service aft of the centreboard?

On 8 Jul 2021, at 23:24, Peter Mills <peter_mills@...> wrote:

Sounds scary! Thanks for the info. Yes my furler comes through a hole in the deck just to the starboard side of the mast. But I could extend it easily enough.

Cheers


Get

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Mark Allinson via <m.allinson2@...>
Sent: Thursday, July 8, 2021 10:14:36 PM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [wanderer] Single handed sailing
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My jib furler line goes to a cleat aft of the centreboard so its pretty long already . Does yours just go to the mast base like some I have seen?.?

Thanks for all the tips you chaps have contributed. For my part the only time I nearly came to grief was sailing solo reefed down force 4 in the middle of the Thames Estuary 9am in July 2018. I miscalculated the leeway in the tideway and didn’t spot the massive shipping channel buoy that I was being driven onto because in a blow with a big heel the jib masks ones true direction. First I knew was a big red glow that lit up the boat in a scary manner. Looking over my shoulder I realised I had passed within 12 feet of it. Hitting it may have been the last thing I did, so I count myself lucky. Moral of story - make sure you change course occasionally and have a look around.

Hope this helps.?

Regards Mark W914
On 8 Jul 2021, at 21:24, Peter Mills <peter_mills@...> wrote:

Thanks all for the helpful information. Really useful.

Do folk manage with standard jib furler or modify in some way with a longer line?

Thank you.

Get


Re: Single handed sailing

 

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No nothing there. Pulleys on the side for spinnaker but nothing on the aft casing of centreboard.

Thanks.

Get

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Mark Allinson via groups.io <m.allinson2@...>
Sent: Friday, July 9, 2021 1:03:56 PM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [wanderer] Single handed sailing
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Do you have the two little pulleys on the sloping service aft of the centreboard?

On 8 Jul 2021, at 23:24, Peter Mills <peter_mills@...> wrote:

Sounds scary! Thanks for the info. Yes my furler comes through a hole in the deck just to the starboard side of the mast. But I could extend it easily enough.

Cheers


Get

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Mark Allinson via <m.allinson2@...>
Sent: Thursday, July 8, 2021 10:14:36 PM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [wanderer] Single handed sailing
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My jib furler line goes to a cleat aft of the centreboard so its pretty long already . Does yours just go to the mast base like some I have seen?.?

Thanks for all the tips you chaps have contributed. For my part the only time I nearly came to grief was sailing solo reefed down force 4 in the middle of the Thames Estuary 9am in July 2018. I miscalculated the leeway in the tideway and didn’t spot the massive shipping channel buoy that I was being driven onto because in a blow with a big heel the jib masks ones true direction. First I knew was a big red glow that lit up the boat in a scary manner. Looking over my shoulder I realised I had passed within 12 feet of it. Hitting it may have been the last thing I did, so I count myself lucky. Moral of story - make sure you change course occasionally and have a look around.

Hope this helps.?

Regards Mark W914
On 8 Jul 2021, at 21:24, Peter Mills <peter_mills@...> wrote:

Thanks all for the helpful information. Really useful.

Do folk manage with standard jib furler or modify in some way with a longer line?

Thank you.

Get


Re: Single handed sailing

 

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Do you have the two little pulleys on the sloping service aft of the centreboard?

On 8 Jul 2021, at 23:24, Peter Mills <peter_mills@...> wrote:

Sounds scary! Thanks for the info. Yes my furler comes through a hole in the deck just to the starboard side of the mast. But I could extend it easily enough.

Cheers


Get

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Mark Allinson via <m.allinson2@...>
Sent: Thursday, July 8, 2021 10:14:36 PM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [wanderer] Single handed sailing
?
My jib furler line goes to a cleat aft of the centreboard so its pretty long already . Does yours just go to the mast base like some I have seen?.?

Thanks for all the tips you chaps have contributed. For my part the only time I nearly came to grief was sailing solo reefed down force 4 in the middle of the Thames Estuary 9am in July 2018. I miscalculated the leeway in the tideway and didn’t spot the massive shipping channel buoy that I was being driven onto because in a blow with a big heel the jib masks ones true direction. First I knew was a big red glow that lit up the boat in a scary manner. Looking over my shoulder I realised I had passed within 12 feet of it. Hitting it may have been the last thing I did, so I count myself lucky. Moral of story - make sure you change course occasionally and have a look around.

Hope this helps.?

Regards Mark W914
On 8 Jul 2021, at 21:24, Peter Mills <peter_mills@...> wrote:

Thanks all for the helpful information. Really useful.

Do folk manage with standard jib furler or modify in some way with a longer line?

Thank you.

Get


Re: Single handed sailing

 

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Sounds scary! Thanks for the info. Yes my furler comes through a hole in the deck just to the starboard side of the mast. But I could extend it easily enough.

Cheers


Get

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Mark Allinson via groups.io <m.allinson2@...>
Sent: Thursday, July 8, 2021 10:14:36 PM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [wanderer] Single handed sailing
?
My jib furler line goes to a cleat aft of the centreboard so its pretty long already . Does yours just go to the mast base like some I have seen?.?

Thanks for all the tips you chaps have contributed. For my part the only time I nearly came to grief was sailing solo reefed down force 4 in the middle of the Thames Estuary 9am in July 2018. I miscalculated the leeway in the tideway and didn’t spot the massive shipping channel buoy that I was being driven onto because in a blow with a big heel the jib masks ones true direction. First I knew was a big red glow that lit up the boat in a scary manner. Looking over my shoulder I realised I had passed within 12 feet of it. Hitting it may have been the last thing I did, so I count myself lucky. Moral of story - make sure you change course occasionally and have a look around.

Hope this helps.?

Regards Mark W914
On 8 Jul 2021, at 21:24, Peter Mills <peter_mills@...> wrote:

Thanks all for the helpful information. Really useful.

Do folk manage with standard jib furler or modify in some way with a longer line?

Thank you.

Get

Re: Single handed sailing

 

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My jib furler line goes to a cleat aft of the centreboard so its pretty long already . Does yours just go to the mast base like some I have seen?.?

Thanks for all the tips you chaps have contributed. For my part the only time I nearly came to grief was sailing solo reefed down force 4 in the middle of the Thames Estuary 9am in July 2018. I miscalculated the leeway in the tideway and didn’t spot the massive shipping channel buoy that I was being driven onto because in a blow with a big heel the jib masks ones true direction. First I knew was a big red glow that lit up the boat in a scary manner. Looking over my shoulder I realised I had passed within 12 feet of it. Hitting it may have been the last thing I did, so I count myself lucky. Moral of story - make sure you change course occasionally and have a look around.

Hope this helps.?

Regards Mark W914

On 8 Jul 2021, at 21:24, Peter Mills <peter_mills@...> wrote:

Thanks all for the helpful information. Really useful.

Do folk manage with standard jib furler or modify in some way with a longer line?

Thank you.

Get

Single handed sailing

 

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Thanks all for the helpful information. Really useful.

Do folk manage with standard jib furler or modify in some way with a longer line?

Thank you.

Get

Re: Single handed sailing

 

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Hi Peter

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I mostly sail single-handed.

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As others have mentioned, furling foresail and decent slab reefing for the main – that you can reef easily while afloat – are very important.

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I’m in the “tie the jib sheets together” camp – I always use a simple reef knot and have never had a problem.

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Other things I’d suggest which may not have been mentioned: –

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Some lines/bungee arranged so you can secure the tiller mid-ships or slightly luffing up while hove-too.

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Docking arms on the launch trolley are invaluable when putting the boat back on the trolley single-handed if there is any wind/tide to push the boat out of alignment.

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I find a LONG painter useful when launching so I can push the boat off and well away from the trolly and still keep hold of it while I sort out the trolley.

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Hand held marine VHF just in case, and/or mobile phone in a waterproof case – attached to you.

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Obviously be cautious with the forecast and actual conditions.

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Have fun!

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John

W1428

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Peter Mills
Sent: 07 July 2021 11:52
To: [email protected]
Subject: [wanderer] Single handed sailing

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Hi All,

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I have been sailing my Hartley Wanderer with crew but am planning to have a go single handed.

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Do people regularly do this?

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If anyone has any helpful advice on doing this or any modifications to make this easier, that would be much appreciated.?

?

The boat is already rigged so that the Kicker, Cunnigham and Outhaul have long lines coming back to the thwarts.

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Many thanks,

?

Peter

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Re: Single handed sailing

 

My preference is to have the jib sheets separate, but long enough to be able to hang some over the windward gunwale when close hauled. It's on this point of sail that you're most likely to want to dump wind out of the sails quickly in a gust. If you ease the main but delay the jib the boat will bear away and the main will fill again, causing more heel and heading you towards a capsize. Tying the sheets together certainly ensures you don't lose the end on the floorboard, but may mean having to reach in to grab it in a gust, shifting your weight in from where it should be if you are hiked out. I much prefer to have it by my backside where I know I can lay my hand on it every time. It makes for more efficient tacking too, as I pick up the other sheet when moving across the boat, and initially tension it by sitting on it as I hike out the other side. I cleat it once I've settled onto the new course.

A decent slab reefing system is also pretty handy if you're single handed, as most of my Wanderer sailing was. I've moved on to a boat with a lid now, but still miss W550.

Happy sailing,
Alan.


On Wed, 7 Jul 2021, 22:12 Peter Mills, <peter_mills@...> wrote:
Hi All,

I have been sailing my Hartley Wanderer with crew but am planning to have a go single handed.

Do people regularly do this?

If anyone has any helpful advice on doing this or any modifications to make this easier, that would be much appreciated.?

The boat is already rigged so that the Kicker, Cunnigham and Outhaul have long lines coming back to the thwarts.

Many thanks,

Peter
Re: Single handed sailing

 

Morning

I always sail mine single handed, onboard the jib furler and easy to reef main set up are the two things I rely on. I have reefing lines fitted ready to use so I can quickly reef the main afloat if needed.

Ashore the best change I made was a jockey wheel on the trolley !

regards

Pete

On Wednesday, 7 July 2021, 22:20:59 BST, John Renouf <1953jgr@...> wrote:


Tie the ends of the jib sheets together so that the sheet remains within reach on the thwart. It needs to be a decent knot as it takes a battering in use. I use a double sheet bend and make sure that it’s tight. Also a telescopic tiller extension lets you sit further forward in the boat. I usually sit with a leg either side of the thwart, or fully forward of the thwart in light winds.

Regards
John R
W1518



On 7 Jul 2021, at 22:12, Peter Mills <peter_mills@...> wrote:

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Hi All,

I have been sailing my Hartley Wanderer with crew but am planning to have a go single handed.

Do people regularly do this?

If anyone has any helpful advice on doing this or any modifications to make this easier, that would be much appreciated.?

The boat is already rigged so that the Kicker, Cunnigham and Outhaul have long lines coming back to the thwarts.

Many thanks,

Peter
Re: Single handed sailing

 

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Tie the ends of the jib sheets together so that the sheet remains within reach on the thwart. It needs to be a decent knot as it takes a battering in use. I use a double sheet bend and make sure that it’s tight. Also a telescopic tiller extension lets you sit further forward in the boat. I usually sit with a leg either side of the thwart, or fully forward of the thwart in light winds.

Regards
John R
W1518



On 7 Jul 2021, at 22:12, Peter Mills <peter_mills@...> wrote:

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Hi All,

I have been sailing my Hartley Wanderer with crew but am planning to have a go single handed.

Do people regularly do this?

If anyone has any helpful advice on doing this or any modifications to make this easier, that would be much appreciated.?

The boat is already rigged so that the Kicker, Cunnigham and Outhaul have long lines coming back to the thwarts.

Many thanks,

Peter
Single handed sailing

 

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Hi All,

I have been sailing my Hartley Wanderer with crew but am planning to have a go single handed.

Do people regularly do this?

If anyone has any helpful advice on doing this or any modifications to make this easier, that would be much appreciated.?

The boat is already rigged so that the Kicker, Cunnigham and Outhaul have long lines coming back to the thwarts.

Many thanks,

Peter
Re: Flotation pad for sail pocket

 

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Thanks to everyone who replied with the various suggestions.

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of John Cavell
Sent: 30 May 2021 19:17
To: [email protected]
Subject: [wanderer] Flotation pad for sail pocket

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Hi

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I have one of the inflatable flotation pads that fit in a pocket at the top of the main sail to help prevent a capsize turning into a complete inversion. It was supplied by Anglo Marine over 20 years ago – it’s rather like a small li-lo.

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Anyway, probably due to its age it has become somewhat prone to leaks and as much as I try to seal them with “Stormsure” it doesn’t stay fully inflated for very long.

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Does anyone have any suggestions of either how to stop it leaking or what to replace it with?

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To stop the leaks I feel it needs a liquid sealant introduced inside through the air nozzle – it would need to “set” inside the closed pad into a flexible, leak-tight coating. Any ideas what might work?

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Alternatively, I may need to replace it with some sort of closed cell foam sheet. It would need to be buoyant (obviously) and not absorb water, rigid enough to be self-supporting, flexible enough to curve and flex with the sail and durable enough to last another 20 years. Any thoughts?

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Or any other bright ideas what I could use?

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Thanks in advance

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John

W1428 Latitude

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Re: Flotation pad for sail pocket

 

Hi John

I recently bought a new set of sails from Edge Sails and the main has a (non inflatable) floatation device in a pocket at the head. If you give Jon Clarke either a call or email, edgesails@..., he might be able to sell you a piece of the material which you can cut (or get cut) to size. For cruising purposes, I found no adverse effects sail performance wise with this item in place.
There is no beer drinking involved with this suggestion, but otherwise I thought it might help.
Regards
Derrick

On Mon, 31 May 2021 at 13:23, Martin via <martin_w_brown=[email protected]> wrote:

> I use a beer box bag. Had to drink the beer first!, then washed it
> out. Works perfectly

Best suggestion so far!
Re: Flotation pad for sail pocket

 

I use a beer box bag. Had to drink the beer first!, then washed it out. Works perfectly
Best suggestion so far!
Re: Flotation pad for sail pocket

 

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Aero Luff Spar do a flotation bag for a Wanderer. Much better made than the Anglo version but doesn’t have the same flat shape.?
John R


On 31 May 2021, at 10:43, simon atkinson <syatkinson@...> wrote:

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Hi,

I use a beer box bag. Had to drink the beer first!, then washed it out. Works perfectly

On Sun, 30 May 2021, 7:17 pm John Cavell, <john@...> wrote:

Hi

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I have one of the inflatable flotation pads that fit in a pocket at the top of the main sail to help prevent a capsize turning into a complete inversion. It was supplied by Anglo Marine over 20 years ago – it’s rather like a small li-lo.

?

Anyway, probably due to its age it has become somewhat prone to leaks and as much as I try to seal them with “Stormsure” it doesn’t stay fully inflated for very long.

?

Does anyone have any suggestions of either how to stop it leaking or what to replace it with?

?

To stop the leaks I feel it needs a liquid sealant introduced inside through the air nozzle – it would need to “set” inside the closed pad into a flexible, leak-tight coating. Any ideas what might work?

?

Alternatively, I may need to replace it with some sort of closed cell foam sheet. It would need to be buoyant (obviously) and not absorb water, rigid enough to be self-supporting, flexible enough to curve and flex with the sail and durable enough to last another 20 years. Any thoughts?

?

Or any other bright ideas what I could use?

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Thanks in advance

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John

W1428 Latitude

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Re: Flotation pad for sail pocket

 

Hi,

I use a beer box bag. Had to drink the beer first!, then washed it out. Works perfectly

On Sun, 30 May 2021, 7:17 pm John Cavell, <john@...> wrote:

Hi

?

I have one of the inflatable flotation pads that fit in a pocket at the top of the main sail to help prevent a capsize turning into a complete inversion. It was supplied by Anglo Marine over 20 years ago – it’s rather like a small li-lo.

?

Anyway, probably due to its age it has become somewhat prone to leaks and as much as I try to seal them with “Stormsure” it doesn’t stay fully inflated for very long.

?

Does anyone have any suggestions of either how to stop it leaking or what to replace it with?

?

To stop the leaks I feel it needs a liquid sealant introduced inside through the air nozzle – it would need to “set” inside the closed pad into a flexible, leak-tight coating. Any ideas what might work?

?

Alternatively, I may need to replace it with some sort of closed cell foam sheet. It would need to be buoyant (obviously) and not absorb water, rigid enough to be self-supporting, flexible enough to curve and flex with the sail and durable enough to last another 20 years. Any thoughts?

?

Or any other bright ideas what I could use?

?

Thanks in advance

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John

W1428 Latitude

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Re: Flotation pad for sail pocket

 

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Bin it and purchase a new.


On 30 May 2021, at 19:17, John Cavell <john@...> wrote:

Hi

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I have one of the inflatable flotation pads that fit in a pocket at the top of the main sail to help prevent a capsize turning into a complete inversion. It was supplied by Anglo Marine over 20 years ago – it’s rather like a small li-lo.

?

Anyway, probably due to its age it has become somewhat prone to leaks and as much as I try to seal them with “Stormsure” it doesn’t stay fully inflated for very long.

?

Does anyone have any suggestions of either how to stop it leaking or what to replace it with?

?

To stop the leaks I feel it needs a liquid sealant introduced inside through the air nozzle – it would need to “set” inside the closed pad into a flexible, leak-tight coating. Any ideas what might work?

?

Alternatively, I may need to replace it with some sort of closed cell foam sheet. It would need to be buoyant (obviously) and not absorb water, rigid enough to be self-supporting, flexible enough to curve and flex with the sail and durable enough to last another 20 years. Any thoughts?

?

Or any other bright ideas what I could use?

?

Thanks in advance

?

John

W1428 Latitude

?

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Re: Flotation pad for sail pocket

 

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Hi John,

Alternatively, I may need to replace it with some sort of closed cell foam sheet. It would need to be buoyant (obviously) and not absorb water, rigid enough to be self-supporting, flexible enough to curve and flex with the sail and durable enough to last another 20 years. Any thoughts?

I've always found sleeping mats (Karrimat etc) get adapted to this kind of use. Downside is the colour might show through the sail. But otherwise tough, waterproof, cheap and readily available.

Cheers

Martin
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