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Re: It¡¯s been twenty years¡
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Hi,
at first I very much disliked the Autodesk Subscription and the Cloud based model, but have come to realise that its not as bad as I had feared.
Firstly, Fusion is a very good package, good CAD, good CAM, good Electronics module, good FEA, good Simulation etc for approx. $500USD/year.
If you were to try to get the same functionality you'd have several different vendors all charging and it would work out a lot more than Fusion Basic.
The CAD/CAM part of Fusion is functionally equivalent to an entry PRO level version of Mecsoft, RhinoCAD, BobCad, ....etc. All those PRO entry level packages cost around $2000-$2500
perpetual plus annual maintenance if you want it. Solidworks and Mastercam are at another level again, many thousands, if not tens of thousands.
Fusion (Basic) represents good value, even if you don't like paying, its still good,? cheap?software.
I also have a Fusion Machining Extensions package that cost about $2000NZD/year ($1200USD) over and above the Fusion Basic subscription. This gives me simultaneous
four and five axis, toolpath editing , collision avoidance. If I wanted the same from the competition that functionality costs $10,000USD or more, plus maintenance and more,
much more
again for Solidworks and Mastercam. Fusion Machining Extensions are good value.
It is the value that has slowly swayed my opinion from being very against a Subscription to favourable.
The second issue is the Cloud. I did not like it, and am still not that impressed. The problem is your internet speed and reliability. If you are fortunate enough to have reliable
internet then the Cloud model is fine. I live rurally and with patchy internet?from home?Fusion is just frustrating under those circumstances. At work,
in the city its fine.
I've heard complaints about data security....but? all my business records and accounts are on the Cloud, and entirely probably my tax records, medical records
and so on. Whether we like it or not data is going to the Cloud, much important data is already there, and the wheels have not fallen off. I have no complaints about the Cloud
other than on those few occasions where the internet slows or stops.
Craig
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of joeaverage <joe.average@...>
Sent: Friday, 18 August 2023 10:16 am To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [pcbgcode] It¡¯s been twenty years¡ #pcbgcode ?
Hi,
I have a Fusion 360 subscription that I got particularly because of EAGLE. As it turns out I use so many other features of Fusion that I could not
run my business without it. Especially using Fusion CAD to make PCB sketches is VASTLY SUPERIOR to EAGLE. You can sketch a PCB as intricate as you like
with all the CAD tools that Fusion has but EAGLE does not. Thereafter with Fusion you can generate a PCB from the sketch and import it into the Fusion Electronics package.
I use it extensively....if you haven't tried it you haven't lived!
There are just a few little quirks where I find the Fusion version of EAGLE lags the real thing, but otherwise I have been using Fusion for PCBs for three years plus.
The only thing that I really dislike, and have raised repeatedly with Autodesk, is that when Autodesk ported EAGLE they changed something about EAGLEs Pour function
which in turn means that PCB-Gcode does not work....to my great annoyance.
To counter this I export my Fusion Electronics PCB design back into EAGLE so I can use PCB-Gcode. Its a hassle I would rather avoid but it works fine and after several years
its become second nature.?
Autodesk have promised to fix Fusion Electronics such that PCB-Gcode works.....butb it has not happened and that after several years pestering them about it.
Craig
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Art Eckstein <art.eckstein@...>
Sent: Friday, 18 August 2023 3:10 am To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [pcbgcode] It¡¯s been twenty years¡ #pcbgcode ?
Like you, still sticking with what works. I run eagle on win10, but know that if windows pulls it stunt of not allowing some versions of software to run cause its "to old", that I can pull up my virtual machine
in whatever flavor OS I want! Just something to consider when your XP machine finally expires.
Country On 8/17/2023 10:37 AM, sang kang via groups.io wrote:
As the old saying goes, it it isn't broke don't fix it. I still run Windows XP with old version of Eagle and PCB Gcode. |
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