OM Module w/Antenna Genius

#8228

I've got the posted Antenna Genius flow up and running (thank you David), but recently added on the OM Module to it. I'm using to power do some relay switching for a couple antennas. Has anyone integrated the OM module into a flow yet? I'm sure it's possible, but unfortunately this is way above my pay grade.?

W7APM
Patrick?

Re: File /!1! Flows by Type/SVG Based Flows/Tuner Sweep.json uploaded #file-notice

#8227

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I had one thing misconfigured that wasn’t showing actual tune values for C1, L, and C2. Fixed. Also changed text color to yellow.

Here’s my 40 meter sweep. You can see where my antenna is resonant ?

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73

Dave wo2x

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Alan Blind, WA9WUD
Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2022 6:23 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [nodered-hamradio] File /!1! Flows by Type/SVG Based Flows/Tuner Sweep.json uploaded #file-notice

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Dave

I agree, links are better then MQTT....in my case, two different machines...so....MQTT.

FYI, here are screenshots of the WO2X TG-XL Flow connections to the Sweep Flow:

Alan

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Re: File /!1! Flows by Type/SVG Based Flows/Tuner Sweep.json uploaded #file-notice

#8226

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OK, I modified Alan’s flow to use Link IN and Link Out nodes to the Flex Radio flow and Tuner Genius flow.

I selected starting frequency of 3.525 MHz and ending 3.975 MHz then 9 steps (remember, only 10 memories per antenna per band)

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Here’s the results. On the left is my dashboard showing his flow and results of auto tune and on right is his flow zoomed way out so you can see complexity.

Gotta change the red on blue. I think yellow on blue will be much more pleasing to the eyes. ?

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Nice work Alan!

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73

Dave wo2x

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Alan Blind, WA9WUD
Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2022 6:23 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [nodered-hamradio] File /!1! Flows by Type/SVG Based Flows/Tuner Sweep.json uploaded #file-notice

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Dave

I agree, links are better then MQTT....in my case, two different machines...so....MQTT.

FYI, here are screenshots of the WO2X TG-XL Flow connections to the Sweep Flow:

Alan

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Re: File /!1! Flows by Type/SVG Based Flows/Tuner Sweep.json uploaded #file-notice

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Dave

I agree, links are better then MQTT....in my case, two different machines...so....MQTT.

FYI, here are screenshots of the WO2X TG-XL Flow connections to the Sweep Flow:

Alan

Re: File /!1! Flows by Type/SVG Based Flows/Tuner Sweep.json uploaded #file-notice

#8224

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I think the Link In and Link Out nodes are more efficient.

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73

Dave wo2x

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Alan Blind, WA9WUD
Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2022 10:17 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [nodered-hamradio] File /!1! Flows by Type/SVG Based Flows/Tuner Sweep.json uploaded #file-notice

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Using the WO2X Tuner Genius Flow as the TCP stream and polling source, I built a SVG based Flow that will sequence the Tuner Genius through a range of selectable frequency range, and step width, to "Teach" the Tuner Genius the tune solution for each frequency.

Results are displayed in a SVG bar chart. ?Here is a screenshot of the results of teaching my Tuner Genius the solutions for a G5RV antenna, across the 40 M band, ten steps. ?Also, attached is a video of the Tuner Genius "Learning".

Because the Tuner Genius only allows three TCP connections, I used Dave's Tuner Genius flow to move the TCP stream to my flow. ?In my case, I used MQTT nodes, but you could substitute "Link" nodes too.

Here are the required connections:

Alan. WA9WUD

Re: File /!1! Flows by Type/SVG Based Flows/Tuner Sweep.json uploaded #file-notice

#8223

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I will load it later and play around. Been dealing a bit with health issues so wind up sleeping in the afternoons. Today will force myself to play radio (and Node Red).?

Thanks for the work on this. It definitely can be beneficial in several ways, if not just to plot SWR curve of antennas.?

I’ll give you a call once I have it running and we can compare notes.?

73

Dave wo2x

Sent from my waxed string and tin cans.?

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On Jul 5, 2022, at 12:56 PM, Alan Blind, WA9WUD <a.alan.blind@...> wrote:

?Thanks, Dave, I was hoping you would take it for a drive. ?Looking forward to your improvements.

For both the SWR Sweep and Tuner Sweep, the step number (var max count) is entered from a dash pull down, then, the freq step is calculated in the "Set TX frequency" function. ?The result is displayed on the dashboard as "Frequency Step".

Alan. WA9WUD

Re: File /!1! Flows by Type/SVG Based Flows/Tuner Sweep.json uploaded #file-notice

#8222

Thanks, Dave, I was hoping you would take it for a drive. ?Looking forward to your improvements.

For both the SWR Sweep and Tuner Sweep, the step number (var max count) is entered from a dash pull down, then, the freq step is calculated in the "Set TX frequency" function. ?The result is displayed on the dashboard as "Frequency Step".

Alan. WA9WUD

Re: File /!1! Flows by Type/SVG Based Flows/Tuner Sweep.json uploaded #file-notice

#8221

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Hi Alan,

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Nice work! Question, how do you determine the step sizes per band?

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For example, there are 10 tuning memories per antenna per band up to 4 antennas per band. On 80 meters I use 50 kHz steps starting at 3.525 MHz and the 10^th step winds up at 3.975 MHz.

On smaller bands like 17 meters you could probably accomplish tuning in 2 to 3 memories with smaller step sizes. Just curious how you deal with that.

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73

Dave wo2x

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Alan Blind, WA9WUD
Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2022 10:17 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [nodered-hamradio] File /!1! Flows by Type/SVG Based Flows/Tuner Sweep.json uploaded #file-notice

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Using the WO2X Tuner Genius Flow as the TCP stream and polling source, I built a SVG based Flow that will sequence the Tuner Genius through a range of selectable frequency range, and step width, to "Teach" the Tuner Genius the tune solution for each frequency.

Results are displayed in a SVG bar chart. ?Here is a screenshot of the results of teaching my Tuner Genius the solutions for a G5RV antenna, across the 40 M band, ten steps. ?Also, attached is a video of the Tuner Genius "Learning".

Because the Tuner Genius only allows three TCP connections, I used Dave's Tuner Genius flow to move the TCP stream to my flow. ?In my case, I used MQTT nodes, but you could substitute "Link" nodes too.

Here are the required connections:

Alan. WA9WUD

Re: File /!1! Flows by Type/SVG Based Flows/Tuner Sweep.json uploaded #file-notice

#8220

Using the WO2X Tuner Genius Flow as the TCP stream and polling source, I built a SVG based Flow that will sequence the Tuner Genius through a range of selectable frequency range, and step width, to "Teach" the Tuner Genius the tune solution for each frequency.

Results are displayed in a SVG bar chart. ?Here is a screenshot of the results of teaching my Tuner Genius the solutions for a G5RV antenna, across the 40 M band, ten steps. ?Also, attached is a video of the Tuner Genius "Learning".

Because the Tuner Genius only allows three TCP connections, I used Dave's Tuner Genius flow to move the TCP stream to my flow. ?In my case, I used MQTT nodes, but you could substitute "Link" nodes too.

Here are the required connections:

Alan. WA9WUD

Tuner Sweep.mov

File /!1! Flows by Type/SVG Based Flows/Tuner Sweep.json uploaded #file-notice

Group Notification

#8219

The following files and folders have been uploaded to the Files area of the [email protected] group.

/!1! Flows by Type/SVG Based Flows/Tuner Sweep.json

By: Alan Blind, WA9WUD <a.alan.blind@...>

Description:
Tuner Sweep. Using the 403A, Flex, Tuner Genius, teaches the TG-XL tuner the tuning solution for any range of frequencies and step size within the selected freqency range. Requires the WO2X Tuner Genius Flow.

Re: Node-Red Totally Newbie

#8218

Along with Dave's instructions, I've put together some videos to walk you though step by step on getting your Pi up and running.? Below is the link to the playlist.??

Kyle
AA0Z

Re: FTDX101 ON OFF

#8217

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Plagiarism at its best!

As Ron said, customizing any of the flows you find to fit your specific needs is why Node Red is so flexible.

Dave wo2x

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On Jul 4, 2022, at 9:45 PM, Ronald Panetta, WB2WGH <ron@...> wrote:

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Adrian, no issue. That's the beauty of Node Red, one can tweak and customize as one feels appropriate. I'm glad I could provide the framework for that. In the end, since I am Flex based, the Flex itself manages the exciter drive level i do not use the flow's exciter drive level option. Based on suggestions from several of you, I rolled in the exciter drive level option for non-Flex users and modeled it after the SPE Flex model.?

Ron WB2WGH?

On Mon, Jul 4, 2022, 9:36 PM Adrian Fewster via <vk4tux=[email protected]> wrote:
[Edited Message Follows]
Ron, I realize my idea conflicts with your separate 'standby' drive control allowing high txcr pwr in standby.
So this is just my custom fix for me, as I like the drive level to be set by power zone in either Operate or standby.

I would never use txcr high power via the amp with the amp on. I have done this with MP 200w in the past > amp off,
but SPE handles that power in/out to default Ant 1. I find your band control useful as I have higher gain on some bands.
Sorry I have asked for something that messes up your original design. I just share my ideas.

Thankyou

regards

Adrian

Re: FTDX101 ON OFF

#8216

Adrian, no issue. That's the beauty of Node Red, one can tweak and customize as one feels appropriate. I'm glad I could provide the framework for that. In the end, since I am Flex based, the Flex itself manages the exciter drive level i do not use the flow's exciter drive level option. Based on suggestions from several of you, I rolled in the exciter drive level option for non-Flex users and modeled it after the SPE Flex model.?

Ron WB2WGH?

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On Mon, Jul 4, 2022, 9:36 PM Adrian Fewster via <vk4tux=[email protected]> wrote:

[Edited Message Follows]
Ron, I realize my idea conflicts with your separate 'standby' drive control allowing high txcr pwr in standby.
So this is just my custom fix for me, as I like the drive level to be set by power zone in either Operate or standby.

I would never use txcr high power via the amp with the amp on. I have done this with MP 200w in the past > amp off,
but SPE handles that power in/out to default Ant 1. I find your band control useful as I have higher gain on some bands.
Sorry I have asked for something that messes up your original design. I just share my ideas.

Thankyou

regards

Adrian

Re: Node-Red Totally Newbie

#8213

Juan

Welcome to the group. ?You can install Node-Red on most any operating system, including Window and Mac.

Most prefer to use Raspberry Pis because they just run in the background.

I run my Node-Red on a Mac, Window and Linux

The Node-Red home page is an excellent resource for basic instructions, including loading Node-Red on the various platforms.

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I can never find the Mac and Window instructions, so just "Google", "How to install Node Red on a XXXXXX".

Dave, WO2X has an excellent set of instructions in the group file section, for everything you need to know to set up a Raspberry Pi Node-Red.

Alan. WA9WUD

Re: Node-Red Totally Newbie

#8212

Juan, welcome! I too along with many in the group have Flex radios although?the group is not?Flex specific. You will find different approaches to shack integration with Node Red. Some of us?with?Flex radios integrate?Flex SmartSDR functionality into Node Red. I personally do not. I choose to continue?use of SmartSDR for my Flex 6600 and use Node Red to manage my other devices so I in effect have 2 panes of glass (and a few more if you roll in WSJT/JTalert). My Node Red dashboard (shown below) has left to right:

DLI Power Switch control (8 120V network controlled outlets)
Band activity (I should remove this as I find it of little value)
My SPE Expert Linear amp
My LP-700 station monitor
Ham-IV rotor controller (2 dashboard elements, buttons and map) controlled via an ERC-4 module in my control box

In my case I do not have a remote shack. All equipment is local. If you search the forum and look at the various screen snapshots attached, you'll find all kind of creative Node Red dashboards. I've been using Node Red for about a year and have found this group to be very supportive and helpful.

So to answer your question on "what to do first", figure out what devices you want Node Red to manage. The start with them, one at a time, and roll them into a dashboard. Extend the dashboard as needed for other devices you choose to integrate.

If you need help installing Node Red, Kyle, AA0Z, has an excellent series of YouTube videos on installing Node Red on a Raspberry Pi (RPi) along with some easy flows to play with.

Ron WB2WGH

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On Mon, Jul 4, 2022 at 4:03 PM TG9AJR Juan via <tg9ajr=[email protected]> wrote:

Hello everyone and greetings from Guatemala.

I have a Flex 6600 (with an extra toy in route) and I have been hearing about some of the things that can be done with Node-Red for amateur radio, but unfortunately I’m a complete newbie to programming at all.

What will you suggest me to do first ?
Well besides been on this, the right group.

I have a Windows 10 PC for amateur radio related but also have an iMac. Can I start with either one ?

In advance thank you for your time, support and patience.

73

Juan
TG9AJR

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Ron

Node-Red Totally Newbie

#8211

Hello everyone and greetings from Guatemala.

I have a Flex 6600 (with an extra toy in route) and I have been hearing about some of the things that can be done with Node-Red for amateur radio, but unfortunately I’m a complete newbie to programming at all.

What will you suggest me to do first ?
Well besides been on this, the right group.

I have a Windows 10 PC for amateur radio related but also have an iMac. Can I start with either one ?

In advance thank you for your time, support and patience.

73

Juan
TG9AJR

Re: FTDX101 ON OFF

#8210

Adrian, My flow simply provides PC control of the SPE. The front panel allows power level changes while in operate mode and I see no reason to enforce a restriction in the flow. Feel free to add an interlock to the power level portion of the flow to ensure the SPE is in standby. As to band changes, the flow is totally band agnostic as it is the exciter that initiates band changes (assuming CAT/Band data is available to the SPE). In fact, my flow does not implement band change capability. The band "icon" is a status indicator of the SPE's band setting and not a "button" that initiates band changes.?

I have considered adding the two following features (per the future enhancements section of the read me) and I could easily add an interlock for power level (low, middle, maximum):

- Disable hot switching from standby to operate while in TX mode
- Disable hot switching power on to power off while in TX mode

Ron WB2WGH

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On Sun, Jul 3, 2022 at 9:56 PM Adrian Fewster via <vk4tux=[email protected]> wrote:

Ron, Yes that was my question how to allow it in standby please?
It is smart to do all band/power zone changes in standby to ensure the
amp is not keyed before drive and antenna have been set.

regards

Adrian

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Ron

Re: FTDX101 ON OFF

#8209

Adrian, You may need to customize the code. Look in the function node "Define Exciter Drive Power"' You will find a table (see below) that sets the drive levels for standby, low, middle and high settings. The code defaults to the first column in the table for standby operation. It looks like you prefer to leave the SPE at the operate drive level rather than the standby drive level.? The following code snippet?should do what you want. In a nutshell, the select/case statement is commented out to ignore operating mode and one additional statement is added to set the power level.

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/*? ?Optionally comment out VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV
switch (mode) {
? ? case "S":
? ? ? ? slmh_index = slmh_string.indexOf("S");
? ? ? ? break;
? ? case "O":
? ? ? ? slmh_index = slmh_string.indexOf(pwr_level);
? ? ? ? break;
? ? default:
? ? ? ? slmh_index = -1; ?//infaclid mode returned, flag for zero power
? ? ? ? break;
}
?Commented out ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^? ?*/
slmh_index = slmh_string.indexOf(pwr_level);? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? //Add this statement to force mode agnostic drive levels for Low, middle and maximum

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var drive_pwr_table = [

// ? ?Standby ? Low ? ?Middle ?High
? ? [ ?100 ? , ? 1 ?, ? 2 ? , ? 3], ?//160M
? ? [ ?100 ? , ? 1 ?, ? 2 ? , ? 3], ?//80M
? ? [ ?100 ? , ? 1 ?, ? 2 ? , ? 3], ?//60M (US 100W PEP ERP Max)
? ? [ ?100 ? , ? 1 ?, ? 2 ? , ? 3], ?//40M
? ? [ ?100 ? , ? 1 ?, ? 2 ? , ? 3], ?//30M (US 200W PEP Max)
? ? [ ?100 ? , ? 1 ?, ? 2 ? , ? 3], ?//20M
? ? [ ?100 ? , ? 1 ?, ? 2 ? , ? 3], ?//17M
? ? [ ?100 ? , ? 1 ?, ? 2 ? , ? 3], ?//15M
? ? [ ?100 ? , ? 1 ?, ? 2 ? , ? 3], ?//12M
? ? [ ?100 ? , ? 1 ?, ? 2 ? , ? 3], ?//10M
? ? [ ?100 ? , ? 1 ?, ? 2 ? , ? 3], ?// 6M
? ? [ ?100 ? , ? 1 ?, ? 2 ? , ? 3], ?// 4M
];

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On Sun, Jul 3, 2022 at 7:04 PM Adrian Fewster via <vk4tux=[email protected]> wrote:

Ron, I have noticed that I cannot change drive auto with power level change in standby, and only in operate.
This is risky when you want correct drive set before setting amp in operate.
What can I do to change & test please?

regards

Adrian

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Ron

Re: File /!1! Flows by Type/SVG Based Flows/SWR Sweep.json updated #file-notice

#8208

I added some additional ways to enter sweep start and sweep end frequencies, including a pull down band selector.

Added a SWR meter.

Adjusted the sequencer times to work with my Flex / Network. ?Other can easily adjust the sequence times for your best performance.

Alan. WA9WUD

File /!1! Flows by Type/SVG Based Flows/SWR Sweep.json updated #file-notice

Group Notification

#8207

The following files and folders have been updated in the Files area of the [email protected] group.

/!1! Flows by Type/SVG Based Flows/SWR Sweep.json

By: Alan Blind, WA9WUD <a.alan.blind@...>

Description:
Update> Adjusted sequence timing for my Flex (you need to do the same for your use case), added SWR meter, added pull down band range selector with plus minus adjustments.>> SVG Based SWR Sweep Flow. Will work stand alone with any Flex Radio. The SVG SWR Sweep portion, will work with any radio type, that can receive Tune and Set Radio Coammands from Node-Red. E-Mail me for specific help for your radio.