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I just put up a new Web site. Apple's Mail under Catalina has a nasty bug that causes it to lose data. Some users have been looking for an alternative. I created a page listing all of the available Macintosh e-mail programs!
Macintosh Email Software
Please let me know what you think!
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Randy B. Singer
Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)
Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
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HI Randy,
Excellent site and resource.
Thank you.
I suggest adding Nisus InfoClick () under the Apple Mail Utilities. Great search capabilities.
Paul
MacTech Services -- ?Supporting the Greater Los Angeles? Macintosh?Community since 1988. ? ? ? ? ? ?626-449-5529
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On Mar 1, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Randy B. Singer < randy@...> wrote:
I just put up a new Web site. ?Apple's Mail under Catalina has a nasty bug that causes it to lose data. ?Some users have been looking for an alternative. ?I created a page listing all of the available Macintosh e-mail programs!
Macintosh Email Software
Please let me know what you think!
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Randy B. Singer
Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions)
Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance
http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html
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On Mar 1, 2020, at 6:09 PM, Paul wrote: I suggest adding Nisus InfoClick () under the Apple Mail Utilities.
Great search capabilities. Thanks! Great tip! I'm also debating on whether to add Mail add-ons. ___________________________________________ Randy B. Singer Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions) Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance ___________________________________________
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It’s really helpful, Randy Thanks very much Julie On 2 Mar 2020, at 03:38, Randy B. Singer <randy@...> wrote:
On Mar 1, 2020, at 6:09 PM, Paul wrote:
I suggest adding Nisus InfoClick () under the Apple Mail Utilities.
Great search capabilities. Thanks! Great tip!
I'm also debating on whether to add Mail add-ons.
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Randy B. Singer Julie Pickard London UK wordsetc@...
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Hi Folks!
I did try Thunderbird, but it couldn’t log into the iCloud account. Says my password is wrong. I’m assuming the mail password is the same as the Apple ID password. Correct?
Bob Beckham
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On Mar 1, 2020, at 7:42 PM, Randy B. Singer <randy@...> wrote:
I just put up a new Web site. Apple's Mail under Catalina has a nasty bug that causes it to lose data. Some users have been looking for an alternative. I created a page listing all of the available Macintosh e-mail programs!
Macintosh Email Software
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Most likely not. At least my icloud mail password is not related to my Apple ID password.
If you use a password manager, look up your icloud Mail account password. Otherwise, you may have to log on in another app (such as Mail) and try to change your password.
Bill
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On Mar 2, 2020, at 7:32 PM, Bob Beckham via Groups.Io <rbeckhm@...> wrote:
Hi Folks!
I did try Thunderbird, but it couldn’t log into the iCloud account. Says my password is wrong. I’m assuming the mail password is the same as the Apple ID password. Correct?
Bob Beckham
FCC Radiotelephone w/Radar P1-6S-2422
Late 2012 iMac 27” - 16 Gig RAM - 1TB SSD - macOS 10.15.3
2019 Harley Ultra Limited 114
1993 Allen MDS Theater 2
On Mar 1, 2020, at 7:42 PM, Randy B. Singer <randy@...> wrote:
I just put up a new Web site. Apple's Mail under Catalina has a nasty bug that causes it to lose data. Some users have been looking for an alternative. I created a page listing all of the available Macintosh e-mail programs!
Macintosh Email Software
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Thanks!
I signed up for Apple Mail when I got my first iPhone many years ago. Can’t remember the PW I used. I just never needed to know it when moving from the various phones, iPads and now this iMac. I just entered my Apple ID pw and everything just seemed to work.
Yes, changing the pw usually requires knowing what the present one is . . . I’ll give that a try.
Thx again!
Bob Beckham
FCC Radiotelephone w/Radar P1-6S-2422
Late 2012 iMac 27” - 16 Gig RAM - 1TB SSD - macOS 10.15.3
2019 Harley Ultra Limited 114
1993 Allen MDS Theater 2
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On Mar 2, 2020, at 8:01 PM, Bill Castine <Bill.Castine@...> wrote:
Most likely not. At least my icloud mail password is not related to my Apple ID password.
If you use a password manager, look up your icloud Mail account password. Otherwise, you may have to log on in another app (such as Mail) and try to change your password.
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On Mar 2, 2020, at 5:32 PM, Bob Beckham via Groups.Io < rbeckhm@...> wrote:
I’m assuming the mail password is the same as the Apple ID password. ?Correct?
It usually is, but if you’ve had an Apple email account as far back as the domain name before there WAS iCloud, it’s entirely possible you set up a Mail.app Apple server account with a password that was not an Apple ID. So, you might try combing through your password manager to see if there are other passwords for mail that also are old, and also look in Apple’s own automatically generated password repository (in a “Keychain” folder (I’m not sure of the path to that folder in Catalina). And, it’s possible for one person to have more than one Apple ID.
To make certain it’s not an issue with Thunderbird rather than your Apple ID, you might try logging in to your Apple mail on the web, using what you have listed for your username/pw in Apple Mail.app.
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Jim Robertson
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On Mar 2, 2020, at 8:01 PM, Bill Castine <Bill.Castine@...> wrote:
Most likely not. At least my icloud mail password is not related to my Apple ID password.
If you use a password manager, look up your icloud Mail account password. Otherwise, you may have to log on in another app (such as Mail) and try to change your password. I do use a password manager, and quite frequently, passwords for various Apple services tell me they are now wrong, and I have to arduously reset them. I don’t get it. I thought Apple ID was supposed to unify all your passwords for Apple services, including iCloud. Not true? This time, I’m really having a hard time fixing it. And of course, whenever I have managed to change the Apple ID, I’ve had to re-enter it on all devices. It’s a pain. Probably something I’m doing wrong, but too frequently have to go through this reset routine. Daly
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I do use a password manager, and quite frequently, passwords for various Apple services tell me they are now wrong, and I have to arduously reset them. ?I don’t get it. I thought Apple ID was supposed to unify all your passwords for Apple services, including iCloud. ?Not true? ?This time, I’m really having a hard time fixing it. And of course, whenever I have managed to change the Apple ID, I’ve had to re-enter it on all devices. ?It’s a pain. ?Probably something I’m doing wrong, but too frequently have to go through this reset routine.
I’ve had the same experiences. Part of it was that, years ago, i used a different email address for Apple (back when the iTunes Store was new. So, some of my original Apple Music purchases (after the Napster guy took the plunge) were made with a totally different “identity,” and I’ve never gotten that straightened out!
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Jim Robertson
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If you have 2 factor authentication turned on, that will be why thunderbird can’t get in.
You need to setup a special password on iCloud and copy that to Thunderbird.
And your iCloud mail password should be the same as your AppleID password.
Christopher
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On 3 Mar 2020, at 11:32 am, Bob Beckham via Groups.Io <rbeckhm@...> wrote:
Hi Folks!
I did try Thunderbird, but it couldn’t log into the iCloud account. Says my password is wrong. I’m assuming the mail password is the same as the Apple ID password. Correct?
Bob Beckham
FCC Radiotelephone w/Radar P1-6S-2422
Late 2012 iMac 27” - 16 Gig RAM - 1TB SSD - macOS 10.15.3
2019 Harley Ultra Limited 114
1993 Allen MDS Theater 2
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On Mar 3, 2020, at 4:29 PM, Christopher Collins via Groups.Io < maclist@...> wrote:
If you have 2 factor authentication turned on, that will be why thunderbird can’t get in.
You need to setup a special password on iCloud and copy that to Thunderbird.
And your iCloud mail password should be the same as your AppleID password.
Practically, that’s “sort-of” the case, but it’s a special instance of multiple authentication. Apple has created a requirement that third party applications seeking to access data stored in iCloud must have application-specific passwords. It’s not the same as “ordinary” two factor authentication, because the app-specific password needs to be entered only ONCE, not each time the application is used, and unlike “ordinary” two-factor authentication, entering the second factor in response to an each-episode-of-use polling of the user on a separate device also registered to the user is not required.
And, as others have noted. while it makes sense for most people to have their Apple ID password also be their iCloud mail password, that’s not required by Apple.
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Jim Robertson
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