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Oddity in Finder window in Catalina

 

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For some reason, under “Favorites,” I have two iterations of “Macintosh HD”, both read-only, but both exactly the same size:

Both are marked as “Read Only (lower L corner)” but I assume that this is because the “Macintosh HD” designation applies to both the Read Only system and the “separate” volume containing my users, etc.

Is there anything wrong with having duplicate icons like this? Is there some way I should try to delete one of them, and how would I know which one to delete. I’m assuming, actually, that the Mac wouldn’t let me do it, because the portion of Macintosh HD that contains the System IS read only.

Seems to me Apple hasn’t really figured out an easily understandable way to describe the immutable and changeable portions of the boot volume in the Finder UI in Catalina.

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Jim Robertson

 

jim robertson wrote:
For some reason, under “Favorites,” I have two iterations of “Macintosh HD”,?both read-only, but both exactly the same size

In my Finder window, my hard drive partitions are listed only under “Locations”, below all the “Favorites”, and none are duplicates.

Both are marked as “Read Only (lower L corner)” but I assume that this is?because the “Macintosh HD” designation applies to both the Read Only system?and the “separate” volume containing my users, etc.

Firstly, I *do* understand what you refer to with the 2 volumes under Catalina.

Although the drive itself is listed as Read Only, “Users” and its contents, or “Home", are NOT Read Only, if I click on them in Favorites.

Also:
The only way I would have ANY of my drive partitions listed under “Favorites” would be if I had dragged one there manually myself

Is there anything wrong with having duplicate icons like this? Is there some way?I should try to delete one of them, and how would I know which one to delete.?I’m assuming, actually, that the Mac wouldn’t let me do it, because the portion?of Macintosh HD that contains the System IS read only.


Do you have a “Locations” section?
Is your drive in it?
Just one, or 2?
Personally, I would drag the hard drive icon to locations, if it’s not already there, and remove both of it from favorites.
I’m sure that both refer only to the normally-visible volume with most of your “stuff”, and not to the smaller, system-installed-only, volume.

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Jim Saklad
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On Mar 3, 2020, at 12:16 PM, Jim Saklad via Groups.Io <jimdoc@...> wrote:

jim robertson wrote:
For some reason, under “Favorites,” I have two iterations of “Macintosh HD”,?both read-only, but both exactly the same size


If I’m going to ask for help, I certainly should ask accurate questions. Sorry, I did not. As my screenshot indicates, the two iterations of "Macintosh HD” are listed as they are on your Mac, under “locations,” as is an icon for “JSR MacBook Pro,” and one for “Network.” (Within Network, in the column view,, there’s only one item, my Apple Time Capsule (which contains a 3 TB rotating platter Time Machine backup drive). If I look at my hardware with Disk Utility, there’s no “JSR MacBook Pro.” Instead there’s Apple SSD AP0512N Media, which contains Container disk1, which in turn contains Macintosh HD and Macintosh HD(data). disk Utility “says” that Container disk1 could be mounted on the desktop, but there’s no icon present for it on the computer by default, and if I hover my pointer over it in Disk Utility, a telltale says it can Mount, but that doesn’t happen if I click the mouse button while the cursor is located there..

The puzzle for me is why my “Macintosh HD” is listed twice, because both are really the same thing. Icon views of each of them show that each “contains” both the system files and user files; column views shows the same “read only” designation for the System, Library, and Users Folders, but within the “Users” folder, my own user is NOT listed as read only. Total available space is the same size for both iterations; I’m unable to get the Finder to calculate size of individual folders in the columnar views of what’s in either of them.

Another Catalina oddity that trying to sort this out has revealed is that each iteration of “Macintosh HD has both?

Macintosh HD\Applications

and

Macintosh HD\System\Applications folders?

(and neither of these is the ~\Applications Folder (which has a few things in it that were put there by a GoToMeeting Installer—not by me, manually).

Although all of the items in Macintosh HD\System\Applications are Apple apps, all of those applications are also listed as present in the Macintosh HD\Applications folder, which contains all my 3rd party applications as well, along with some things from Apple that would be considered productivity applications; e.g., Numbers, Pages, and Keynote.

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Jim Robertson

 

Howdy.

I tried to find a reason for the two Mac HDs in Sidebar.

No idea unless you dragged them there yourself.

However, Right click each one and pick remove from Sidebar.

I'd then restart. You can add one back to Sidebar but check your
Finder Preferences>Sidebar and see what's checked and not checked
first.

Denver Dan

p.s. One Google response on this topic was, "Is Macintosh HD a
Virus?" Yeah. Right.


On Tue, 3 Mar 2020 07:30:01 -0700, jimrobertson via Groups.Io wrote:
For some reason, under “Favorites,” I have two iterations of
“Macintosh HD”, both read-only, but both exactly the same size:


Both are marked as “Read Only (lower L corner)” but I assume that
this is because the “Macintosh HD” designation applies to both the
Read Only system and the “separate” volume containing my users, etc.

Is there anything wrong with having duplicate icons like this? Is
there some way I should try to delete one of them, and how would I
know which one to delete. I’m assuming, actually, that the Mac
wouldn’t let me do it, because the portion of Macintosh HD that
contains the System IS read only.

Seems to me Apple hasn’t really figured out an easily understandable
way to describe the immutable and changeable portions of the boot
volume in the Finder UI in Catalina.

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Jim Robertson

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On Mar 3, 2020, at 8:30 AM, jimrobertson via Groups.Io <jimrobertson@...> wrote:

For some reason, under “Favorites,” I have two iterations of “Macintosh HD”, both read-only, but both exactly the same size:

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Both are marked as “Read Only (lower L corner)” but I assume that this is because the “Macintosh HD” designation applies to both the Read Only system and the “separate” volume containing my users, etc.
Regardless of which partition you are looking at, your ID does not have write permission to the root folder. ?Having such permissions could easily create a dangerous situation.

Is there anything wrong with having duplicate icons like this? I
I’m stuck back on High Sierra, so I can’t say, but I haven’t seen anything like that in any articles.

s there some way I should try to delete one of them, and how would I know which one to delete. I’m assuming, actually, that the Mac wouldn’t let me do it, because the portion of Macintosh HD that contains the System IS read only.
Did you try turning off Locations in Finder Preferences and then turning it back on again?

Bev in TX





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Bev in TX
 

The puzzle for me is why my “Macintosh HD” is listed?twice, because both are?really the same thing. Icon views of each of them show that each “contains”?both the system files and user files; column views shows the same “read only”?designation for the System, Library, and Users Folders, but within the “Users”?folder, my own user is NOT listed as read only. Total available space is the?same size for both iterations; I’m unable to get the Finder to calculate size of?individual folders in the columnar views of what’s in either of them.

My advice: drag one of the duplicates off to delete it, and stop worrying…

Another Catalina oddity that trying to sort this out has revealed is that each?iteration of “Macintosh HD has both?

Macintosh HD\Applications
and
Macintosh HD\System\Applications folders?

(and neither of these is the ~\Applications Folder (which has a few things in it?that were put there by a GoToMeeting Installer—not by me, manually).

Not to belabor the obvious, but…

<Macintosh HD\System\Applications>?
contains apps installed BY the Catalina installer.?
It doesn’t even have Pages or Numbers, which are Apple Apps, but NOT system-installed

<Macintosh HD\Applications>?
contains *all* your Apps (unless you have manually installed them elsewhere), including the afore-mentioned System Apps (by way of a hard-link, or sym-link, or whatever).?
If you ask for Info on, say the Chess App in <Macintosh HD\Applications>, it will tell you it is actually located in <Macintosh HD\System\Applications>

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Jim Saklad
jimdoc@...
 

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On Mar 3, 2020, at 1:26 PM, jimrobertson via Groups.Io <jimrobertson@...> wrote:

Although all of the items in Macintosh HD\System\Applications are Apple apps, all of those applications are also listed as present in the Macintosh HD\Applications folder, which contains all my 3rd party applications as well, along with some things from Apple that would be considered productivity applications;?e.g.,?Numbers, Pages, and Keynote.

That’s essentially what I said. What I wasn’t certain about was whether there were 2 copies of each of the core Apple “part of the standard OS installation” applications.

Thanks to Bev and Dan, who helped me exorcise one of the two iterations of “Macintosh HD” from my Finder Sidebar.

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Jim Robertson

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