That is pretty much true for ALL groups. The general rule of thumb is that 20% of the population will accomplish 80% of the work. That is true of churches, social clubs, political organizations, and probably internet groups. I originally joined this group to find answers to questions about my new iMac. Mostly operational stuff. Then I kind of lurked awhile, gleaning information by reading ALL the posts. Then I would occasionally comment where I felt I had something useful to add to a discussion. The traffic on this forum has been somewhat heavy lately as the news of Catalina and the demise of Yahoo coincided. My other group (Allen Organ Owners) which is on Yahoo, hasn¡¯t mentioned anything about the demise of the Yahoo group. I¡¯ve reached out to several folks, but the group owner has moved on and is the only one able to get to the data needed to transfer to another host. It appears, if that group is to continue, then it will have to start from scratch on another host. It is a relatively small group compared to the Mac forum and just might not survive beyond Yahoo. I¡¯m sure that is probably true for some other Yahoo groups. I¡¯ve saved many messages from both groups and can email folks from those old posts to see if they are interested in rebuilding the forum. Said all of that to say this: You are correct in that we are paired down from the supposed 16k members. However, if there are enough members that WANT to be active, they will discuss the issue and solve it. Of course, several folks on MacSupportCentral were interested enough to make it happen. I¡¯m so grateful for that. If other folks are interested enough in the MacSupportCentral forum, they will find us. That is how I found MacSupportCentral to begin with. I did a search of Mac forums and picked this one as a likely culprit. I made a good choice. Thank you so much to everyone. I feel it a privilege to be here. On Oct 19, 2019, at 3:04 PM, Brent via Groups.Io <whodo678@...> wrote:
Just my 2 cents, as along time member. I have also been an officer of several clubs, and there are a lot of hanger on-ers, and only a few active members who do all the heavy lifting.
Bob ¡¯The Beckster¡¯ Beckham FCC RadioTelephone Licence P1-6S-2422 w/Radar endorsement. Apple iMac 27¡± Late 2012 - macOS 10.15.0 - RAM 16 Gig
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Which group had 16k members in Yahoo? This one has 2717.?
Otto
On Sat, 19 Oct 2019 at 20:04, Brent via Groups.Io <whodo678= [email protected]> wrote: And a portion of those on no-email may no longer be active eddys, email addresses.
Many of those are the ones that don't read the list, and only come here to ask questions, without reading what has recently been posted. I find those irritating. I don't mind newbie questions, but do from long time members.
If they are infrequent visitors to the list, they probably don't post much. So getting off moderation is not a real issue, they can lurk if they want. Many of those who have claimed to be lurkers, are what I call infrequent posters, but at least they seem to read or skim the posts to keep current.
The Special Notice might cut down on the work I referred to for the admins and mods. I would post it now, so they have the 60 or so days before it disappears completely, when yahoo removes everything. Then what I would do if it were my list, is decide if I wanted to bother. The maybe deceased, moved on, or whatever. Then I would just send out a batch of emails at intervals to try and capture those over a period of time, not all at once.?
Or is it a numbers game and bragging rights? We currently have 206 members signed up in Groups, but yahoo had 16k. If they are not even occasionally ?active, then do we really have 16k members. I know I have changed eddys in the past, did I close the old ones, I don't remember.
Just my 2 cents, as along time member. I have also been an officer of several clubs, and there are a lot of hanger on-ers, and only a few active members who do all the heavy lifting.
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And a portion of those on no-email may no longer be active eddys, email addresses.
Many of those are the ones that don't read the list, and only come here to ask questions, without reading what has recently been posted. I find those irritating. I don't mind newbie questions, but do from long time members.
If they are infrequent visitors to the list, they probably don't post much. So getting off moderation is not a real issue, they can lurk if they want. Many of those who have claimed to be lurkers, are what I call infrequent posters, but at least they seem to read or skim the posts to keep current.
The Special Notice might cut down on the work I referred to for the admins and mods. I would post it now, so they have the 60 or so days before it disappears completely, when yahoo removes everything. Then what I would do if it were my list, is decide if I wanted to bother. The maybe deceased, moved on, or whatever. Then I would just send out a batch of emails at intervals to try and capture those over a period of time, not all at once.?
Or is it a numbers game and bragging rights? We currently have 206 members signed up in Groups, but yahoo had 16k. If they are not even occasionally ?active, then do we really have 16k members. I know I have changed eddys in the past, did I close the old ones, I don't remember.
Just my 2 cents, as along time member. I have also been an officer of several clubs, and there are a lot of hanger on-ers, and only a few active members who do all the heavy lifting.
Brent
On Oct 19, 2019, at 4:54 AM, Otto Nikolaus via Groups.Io wrote: I can't see an easy way of getting totals for the different types of subscription. We lose ~? of our members by default?
Otto On Fri, 18 Oct 2019 at 14:56, Dave Kelly via Groups.Io <drkelly= [email protected]> wrote: Yes. Anybody who set their status to "No Email" was not invited.
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Was there a charge in transferring the group from yahoo to groups.io?
Bob
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We will do that shortly. There will also be a Special Notice. As for those web-only, we still have their address in the members?list.?
Otto
Isn¡¯t the critical blinspot in going nomail, that you won¡¯t receive mail as a result?
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On balance, why not a note on the site stating we¡¯ve moved?
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Re: Creating an Outlook Rule for Macsupportcentral
#Mail
Go to the GroupIO page to log in ( /groups), go to your subscriptions where you will see a box next to each group. ?Click that box and you will see a checkmark in it. ?Then click on the Actions button to select the delivery method you prefer.
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On Oct 19, 2019, at 11:28 AM, ballyrick via Groups.Io < ballyrick@...> wrote:
If there is a daily digest available, instead of receiving numerous e-mails? at various times during the day, would someone please walk me through? the process, so I might set it up for myself?
I'm using Yahoo Mail and receiving far too many messages for this infrequent participant.
Many Thanks, Ballyrick
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Isn¡¯t the critical blinspot in going nomail, that you won¡¯t receive mail as a result?
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On balance, why not a note on the site stating we¡¯ve moved?
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On Fri, 18 Oct 2019 at 21:23, Dave Kelly via Groups.Io <drkelly= [email protected]> wrote:
based on this, should I send an invite to all those who were set to "No Email" also??
I think the issue is that web-only members who don't visit frequently will probably not be aware of what is happening. Is there a downside to inviting those? They still have?to pass moderation?if/when they first?post.
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Re: Creating an Outlook Rule for Macsupportcentral
#Mail
If there is a daily digest available, instead of receiving numerous e-mails? at various times during the day, would someone please walk me through? the process, so I might set it up for myself?
I'm using Yahoo Mail and receiving far too many messages for this infrequent participant.
Many Thanks, Ballyrick
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No. The email addresses are in the members list, along with delivery type, moderation status and join date.
Otto
On Fri, 18 Oct 2019 at 22:08, Brent via Groups.Io <whodo678= [email protected]> wrote: Sadly, probably only by creating an email?manually. Lot of work for the admins and mods.
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On Fri, 18 Oct 2019 at 21:23, Dave Kelly via Groups.Io <drkelly= [email protected]> wrote: based on this, should I send an invite to all those who were set to "No Email" also??
I think the issue is that web-only members who don't visit frequently will probably not be aware of what is happening. Is there a downside to inviting those? They still have?to pass moderation?if/when they first?post.
Otto
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It does seem that the FROM address and names are working more normally than the previous Yahoo groups. So far, I¡¯m pleased with this change. Sometimes change is a good thing. A huge THANK YOU to the owners/moderators that made the change so quickly. As from a users point of view, the change was really easy and painless. Again, THANK YOU! On Oct 18, 2019, at 2:32 PM, Brent via Groups.Io <whodo678@...> wrote:
Testing
I am generally a minimalist as to posting private info to the net.
But to correct this issue of mangling the from shown on groups, I tried this:
- signed into groups.io
- clicked on (my name) in the upper right and chose account
- clicked Identity on the left column
- chose Edit under Account Profile
- under User Name, I entered a short user name.
This email is to test the results.
Brent
Bob ¡¯The Beckster¡¯ Beckham FCC RadioTelephone Licence P1-6S-2422 w/Radar endorsement. Apple iMac 27¡± Late 2012 - macOS 10.14.6 - RAM 16 Gig
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Re: Toner for brother monochrome laser printer
#Printing
Randy kindly placed some of this info in a Wiki, available from the new group¡¯s page (bottom of sidebar), or directly using the following URL:
Thanks so much for that prompt reply. Looks as though Carrot Ink is a great source!
Jim Robertson
Now, I need to figure out why my new-home Macsupportcentral posts and replies aren¡¯t being displayed by macOS Mojave¡¯s Mail.app in threaded fashion. I¡¯ve deleted all references to the old group from my ¡°previous recipients¡± list in Mail, but obviously I have a bit more housekeeping to do.
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Re: Toner for brother monochrome laser printer
#Printing
Randy kindly placed some of this info in a Wiki, available from the new group¡¯s page (bottom of sidebar), or directly using the following URL:
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On Oct 19, 2019, at 8:44 AM, jimrobertson via Groups.Io < jimrobertson@...> wrote:
I¡¯m hoping this draws the attention of Randy Singer. Randy, you¡¯ve been a proponent of Brother printers for years on this list, and many of us are happy campers because of your advice.
My own printing needs are modest, testified to by the first appearance of a ¡°low on toner¡± warning approximately two years after an enormous carton¡ªcontaining a new Brother LW5200-DW printer¡ªarrived. addressed to me, at the front desk of the hotel where I was refuged from the Tubbs Fire in Sonoma County in October 2017. Translation: I¡¯ve never purchased a toner cartridge for it.
Should I just call up Jeff Bezos and ask him to send the drone with a new cartridge suspended beneath it, or are there bargains in third party refilled cartridges that will serve me well for the next two years?
Any body else¡¯s thoughts and experiences would be equally welcome, of course,
Jim Robertson
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I just discovered your site from a lively discussion regarding commercial VPN products at the new home of the macsupportcentral email listserv, ?(the previous host, Yahoo Groups, has apparently changed its business model, doing so without notifying group owners in advance, necessitating scrambles to new homes!
Although there are many recommendations of your site in this discussion, one well-regarded member questions why you choose to be anonymous. I¡¯m curious about the same thing. You may have abundantly appropriate reasons, and a comment on your FAQ page might increase the level of trust people give you, especially since so many commercial VPN products are nearly exact opposites of what they claim to be.
I have two other suggestions:
- First, in your tables, freeze the leftmost column. My own html skills are limited to reading it, but I know it¡¯s possible to do it, and the rest of your effort suggests you¡¯d have no trouble doing so. It would make interpreting the data cells easier.
- Second, is there some way you could include data about how successful major sites are at harvesting various VPN services¡¯ server IP addresses and subsequently blocking them (or perhaps more useful, how frequently they succumb to those efforts)? That¡¯s the major limitation for me of my own occasionally used VPN service, NordVPN. Major players in the US, at least in the Apple-centric ecosystem (including Apple¡¯s own iCloud mail service and the gloriously useful ?site block entry to incoming traffic that flows through NordVPN¡¯s US servers.
Thanks so much, Jim Robertson
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Toner for brother monochrome laser printer
#Printing
I¡¯m hoping this draws the attention of Randy Singer. Randy, you¡¯ve been a proponent of Brother printers for years on this list, and many of us are happy campers because of your advice.
My own printing needs are modest, testified to by the first appearance of a ¡°low on toner¡± warning approximately two years after an enormous carton¡ªcontaining a new Brother LW5200-DW printer¡ªarrived. addressed to me, at the front desk of the hotel where I was refuged from the Tubbs Fire in Sonoma County in October 2017. Translation: I¡¯ve never purchased a toner cartridge for it.
Should I just call up Jeff Bezos and ask him to send the drone with a new cartridge suspended beneath it, or are there bargains in third party refilled cartridges that will serve me well for the next two years?
Any body else¡¯s thoughts and experiences would be equally welcome, of course,
Jim Robertson
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About half were set to ¡°No Email¡±. I counted them by sorting columns and filtering my numbers spreadsheet. It is possible that some people have just been lurkers and haven¡¯t rejoined yet.
Dave
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On Oct 19, 2019, at 5:54 AM, Otto Nikolaus via Groups.Io <otto.nikolaus@...> wrote:
I can't see an easy way of getting totals for the different types of subscription. We lose ~? of our members by default?
Otto
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Re: Creating an Outlook Rule for Macsupportcentral
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On Sat, Oct 19, 2019 at 06:24 AM, <krtilton@...> wrote:
I am receiving a daily digest.?
This was in the initial setup... I¡¯m not sure I can recreate the steps from this failing memory, but it is possible and it foes work.?
To change your message. Type, go to the ¡°Subscription¡± page. (Coick on #ubscription¡± on the left edge of the screen. Does that help?
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Re: Creating an Outlook Rule for Macsupportcentral
#Mail
I am receiving a daily digest.?
This was in the initial setup... I¡¯m not sure I can recreate the steps from this failing memory, but it is possible and it foes work.?
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I can't see an easy way of getting totals for the different types of subscription. We lose ~? of our members by default?
Otto
On Fri, 18 Oct 2019 at 14:56, Dave Kelly via Groups.Io <drkelly= [email protected]> wrote: Yes. Anybody who set their status to "No Email" was not invited.
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So others can do it for themselves.
- sign into your groups.io account - click on Your Groups in upper tool bar - on the line of the group you want to change, and click on the item under Delivery - click on the Email Deliver format you want - click on save
You can also reach this of this if you have it on the left column.
This also appears to be where you unsubscribe.
Brent
On Oct 18, 2019, at 3:41 PM, Jim Saklad via Groups.Io wrote: Put the one on no email, please. Somehow you are joined in the group twice:
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Which one do you want? I¡¯ll delete the other one.
Dave
HUH!!
I have just now, in the middle of this conversation, started getting duplicate copies of?my own messages.
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Bob Beckham
Brent
Pat Taylor
Dave Kelly
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