Ah, volunteer work, that is why the name is familiar.
I keep mi email accounts down to 3 IMAP. And you should have one, but you don't seem to use it. The one that comes with your Apple ID. And you can have several aliases with each one of those you have. They do want a unique other email account to pair it with, so use your Shaw emails while you can. Or does Shaw offer stand alone email accounts?
I use yahoo, which has had more issues than any other account I've had, for lists. It is free, so I put up with it.
Brent
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On Nov 8, 2019, at 10:30 AM, Patsy Price wrote: Help! I need POP email, preferably 6 accounts, and webmail. No
website. I'm in Canada, retired, no longer doing volunteer work that
requires email and web access.
~~~~~~~~~
My partner is angry with Shaw, our present provider of cable
internet, TV, and his phone. To save money he wants to make a quick
change to Telus, our main phone company, with fiber optics for all of
the above but with a simpler, cheaper plan. (We watch only a few TV
channels.) He pays the bill, so he gets to decide.
The problem: All my shaw.ca email addresses. I've never bothered to
get my own domain till now, but maybe I'd better, so I never have to
go through changing my address again. Or I can just use Telus email,
I guess. My partner doesn't understand why I don't want to use gmail
or yahoo, etc. And he doesn't understand what a hassle it will be to
change my email address for all my accounts and contacts.
Shaw has excellent, trainable spam filters. And I can leave spam on
the server for a month till I get around to checking it. If my new
email provider doesn't have that feature, I'll invest in SpamSieve.
For email I still use Eudora on my old iMac with Snow Leopard, and
often access it via screen sharing on my newer iMac with High Sierra.
I also use webmail occasionally, especially when at a different
computer. No smartphone or other devices of my own.
I receive at least 200 messages per day, filtered into MANY Eudora
mailboxes. I have Eudora set to leave mail for three accounts on the
server till I tell Eudora to delete them. For the other three
accounts Eudora is set to delete messages from the server when they
are downloaded to my computer. So far I've used only a tiny fraction
of my allotted server space.
I know that Randy recommends ICDSoft, but I don't need all their
bells and whistles. Any other suggestions? Preferably not too
expensive?
Thanks.
Patsy
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Re: Upgrading to El Capitan
As you pointed out, once converted it is hard to go back. As I pointed out below, there are multiple docs, that once the app is upgraded, their is no easy going back. I have very limited income because of age and health, so I can not go out and just replace my hardware. Due to traveling for work, being laid off and looking for work, and health issues I ended up in Limbo, or as most call it, Lion 10.7.5.
Here are the issues that I have discovered:
iOS 9- syncing problems of Notes to iCloud and OS X 10.7 (stuck here because I can't afford to buy newer devices) 10.7 - constant duplication of Contacts from iCloud 10.8 - Mail reformatted when upgrading from 10.8 - photos have a one-time conversion from iPhoto to Photos.app 10.9 - ??? 10.10 10.11- the last OS that my MBP will run 10.12- every upgrade from here on seem to cause syncing issues with my older OS X and iCloud 10.13 10.14 10.15- iCloud not compatible with many browser compatible with 10.7 ? <<< this is what trigger my wanting to move - if you convert Reminders to 10.5, then they will only work with 10.15 & iOS 13? (luckily, I don't use Reminders, listing for others) - I've noticed an uptick in compatibility or long conversion times, where data goes missing, stumping Apple senior techs. Music, photos, calendars and contacts, all seemingly indirectly related to updating the iCloud servers.
Somewhere along the line Boot Camp lost the ability to use Windows XP, and for the few times I need to boot into it, I certainly do not want to lay out $100, that I don't have. I would much rather eat. Boot Camp I understand will not boot from an external drive by design.?
Many of the conversions or corrective actions seem to be most easily performed at the point of conflict, thereby suggesting that a step by step upgrade might be easier than one giant leap.
I was originally thinking of an external drive with a clean install to avoid dragging over all the gathered detritus from migrations since the original OS, 10.5, like a ghost iDisk, and MobleMe Prefs, and long abandoned 3rd party apps. But having to reinstall all my 3rd party apps that I still use, if I can find all the registration numbers. And converting all the accompanying docs, seems like it will be a chore, if it is possible after the fact.
I appreciate that Dan, came forward to say he does not remember. That is why I asked people to start by scratching their grey matter. The list above, has been compiled from reading 4 Apple related lists, with lots of contributions by all the great members with high tech skills, and my own personal observations. I know that there are always complaints of incompatibility whenever there is a major upgrade, that are often caused by people jumping in without a plan or preparation. Many that are either easily fixed or just plain wrong. I am just trying to make a plan.
Vince, you are one of our assets, but can you show your work or give reference to you comment? From real life experience as documented in 4 Apple related lists, I have seen the issues listed above, many with some sort of solution if taken one at a time.
I am asking if anyone has seen have seen otherwise??
Brent
On Nov 8, 2019, at 3:50 AM, Otto Nikolaus via Groups.Io wrote: Is it the case that you cannot go straight to 10.11? Why?
Photos first came with 10.10.3, but iPhoto will still run after that if you want. Once you upgrade?the library to Photos, though, I don't think it's easy to go back (there are ways around that).?
iOS 9 was released the same year, 2015, as 10.11 so compatibility will be good.?
Take a full clone backup, make sure you can boot from it, and go for it!
Otto I didn't get much of a response, so I will ask again.
What are the hazards of moving from 10.7.5 to 10.11? It appears that moving in one jump is not possible, as there are several conversions that no one seems to talk about. I was also hoping to wipe the internal drive and do a clean install to remove all the detritus like MobileMe Prefs, iDisk icon under Devices and a bunch more dust bunnies.
10.7: - has a problem syncing Notes and Address book with the iCloud
Moving to 10.8: - when iPhoto changed to Photos, about 10.8.3, there was a one time chance to move the photo lib over and convert it. from another list - I seem to remember that Mail had a conversion when going to 10.8
It sounds like other libraries are converted either on the Mac or to sync with iCloud.
All this and it still needs to sync with iOS 9.3.5 & .6, since those are the last OSes for my other devices. This is why I was hoping to install a clean copy on an external to check this out, to check compatibility for syncing with these devices.
Bev in TX, I looked at your reply, thank you. Boot Camp can not be booted from an external drive.
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Help! I need POP email, preferably 6 accounts, and webmail. No
website. I'm in Canada, retired, no longer doing volunteer work that
requires email and web access.
~~~~~~~~~
My partner is angry with Shaw, our present provider of cable
internet, TV, and his phone. To save money he wants to make a quick
change to Telus, our main phone company, with fiber optics for all of
the above but with a simpler, cheaper plan. (We watch only a few TV
channels.) He pays the bill, so he gets to decide.
The problem: All my email addresses. I've never bothered to
get my own domain till now, but maybe I'd better, so I never have to
go through changing my address again. Or I can just use Telus email,
I guess. My partner doesn't understand why I don't want to use gmail
or yahoo, etc. And he doesn't understand what a hassle it will be to
change my email address for all my accounts and contacts.
Shaw has excellent, trainable spam filters. And I can leave spam on
the server for a month till I get around to checking it. If my new
email provider doesn't have that feature, I'll invest in SpamSieve.
For email I still use Eudora on my old iMac with Snow Leopard, and
often access it via screen sharing on my newer iMac with High Sierra.
I also use webmail occasionally, especially when at a different
computer. No smartphone or other devices of my own.
I receive at least 200 messages per day, filtered into MANY Eudora
mailboxes. I have Eudora set to leave mail for three accounts on the
server till I tell Eudora to delete them. For the other three
accounts Eudora is set to delete messages from the server when they
are downloaded to my computer. So far I've used only a tiny fraction
of my allotted server space.
I know that Randy recommends ICDSoft, but I don't need all their
bells and whistles. Any other suggestions? Preferably not too
expensive?
Thanks.
Patsy
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Jim, I have your entire message (as seen on my iPad and my iPhone) quoted below. It looks exactly the same on those devices as on my Mac, allowing for screen size differences. All the groups.io references are neatly at the bottom.
If that's not how they appear on your devices, we must have some setting somewhere set differently.
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On Nov 8, 2019, jimrobertson wrote: On Nov 8, 2019, at 10:16 AM, Jim Saklad via Groups.Io < jimdoc@...> wrote:
I always get my list messages as individual emails, having seen no?advantage to me to get them as digests
I¡¯ll chime in with a comment on what¡¯s happened with the move to :
It¡¯s now very difficult to read a conversation on the iPhone. I don¡¯t receive digests, but threads on the iPhone ¡°hide¡± the message content between the boilerplate forum links, as opposed to on the Mac, where all that ¡°stuff¡± is discretely displayed at the bottom of individual messages, which in turn are better separated from each other than they are in iOS.
Jim Robertson
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What I see on my iPhone Xr is essentially what I see on my iMac. And the display on my iPad Pro is the same.
You should see quoted text under this post.
Have you checked the settings to see if something is amiss?
I¡¯m scratching my head on this one.
Best Wishes from Bob Beckham
FCC Radiotelephone Lic P1-6S-2422
Sent from my iPhone 10r
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On Nov 8, 2019, at 1:05 PM, jimrobertson via Groups.Io <jimrobertson@...> wrote:
It¡¯s now very difficult to read a conversation on the iPhone. I don¡¯t receive digests, but threads on the iPhone ¡°hide¡± the message content between the boilerplate forum links,
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Help! I need POP email, preferably 6 accounts, and webmail. No website. I'm in Canada, retired, no longer doing volunteer work that requires email and web access.
~~~~~~~~~
My partner is angry with Shaw, our present provider of cable internet, TV, and his phone. To save money he wants to make a quick change to Telus, our main phone company, with fiber optics for all of the above but with a simpler, cheaper plan. (We watch only a few TV channels.) He pays the bill, so he gets to decide.
The problem: All my shaw.ca email addresses. I've never bothered to get my own domain till now, but maybe I'd better, so I never have to go through changing my address again. Or I can just use Telus email, I guess. My partner doesn't understand why I don't want to use gmail or yahoo, etc. And he doesn't understand what a hassle it will be to change my email address for all my accounts and contacts.
Shaw has excellent, trainable spam filters. And I can leave spam on the server for a month till I get around to checking it. If my new email provider doesn't have that feature, I'll invest in SpamSieve.
For email I still use Eudora on my old iMac with Snow Leopard, and often access it via screen sharing on my newer iMac with High Sierra. I also use webmail occasionally, especially when at a different computer. No smartphone or other devices of my own.
I receive at least 200 messages per day, filtered into MANY Eudora mailboxes. I have Eudora set to leave mail for three accounts on the server till I tell Eudora to delete them. For the other three accounts Eudora is set to delete messages from the server when they are downloaded to my computer. So far I've used only a tiny fraction of my allotted server space.
I know that Randy recommends ICDSoft, but I don't need all their bells and whistles. Any other suggestions? Preferably not too expensive?
Thanks.
Patsy
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On Nov 8, 2019, at 10:16 AM, Jim Saklad via Groups.Io < jimdoc@...> wrote:
I always get my list messages as individual emails, having seen no?advantage to me to get them as digests
I¡¯ll chime in with a comment on what¡¯s happened with the move to :
It¡¯s now very difficult to read a conversation on the iPhone. I don¡¯t receive digests, but threads on the iPhone ¡°hide¡± the message content between the boilerplate forum links, as opposed to on the Mac, where all that ¡°stuff¡± is discretely displayed at the bottom of individual messages, which in turn are better separated from each other than they are in iOS.
Jim Robertson
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On Nov 7, 2019, Bob Stern wrote: Using?iOS I can¡¯t show the quoted content without copying and pasting.
I always get my list messages as individual emails, having seen no?advantage to me to get them as digests The way Apple Mail works for me on?Macs, as well as iPads and iPhones, is that by default, it quotes the entire?message to which I am replying, from which I then delete the irrelevant parts. Or, of course, highlighting part of a long message, then replying, with quote just the highlighted part. A digest, of course, will be seen by Mail as a single long message.
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I did try to install Free Office, but it will not install on Catalina. The download does occur but that is as far as it gets. Probably need to wait for an update. On Nov 8, 2019, at 9:39 AM, jimrobertson via Groups.Io <jimrobertson@...> wrote:
On Nov 6, 2019, at 6:45 PM, Randy B. Singer <randy@...> wrote:
I'd really appreciate it if you downloaded FreeOffice, Jim, and let us know what you think of it: I wish I could, but needing to drive 90 miles 3-5 times per week for medical care (sorry, Brent, for wandering), means I don¡¯t have all the time I¡¯d need to make an informed assessment. If I find some, I¡¯ll certainly do it, but it may not be soon. I¡¯m aware that we all have an obligation here to give as well as get, so I really will try, but it may be awhile.
Jim Robertson
Bob ¡¯The Beckster¡¯ Beckham FCC RadioTelephone Licence P1-6S-2422 w/Radar endorsement. Apple iMac 27¡± Late 2012 - macOS 10.15.1 - RAM 16 Gig 2019 Harley-Davidson FLHTK Ultra Limited 1993 Allen MDS Theater 2
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Yes, it works somewhat differently on a Mac. Using iPad or iPhone, one would usually HIGHLIGHT using your finger on a portion of the text you want to quote, then expand the upper left and lower right to encompass the entire text that you want to quote then hit reply. Then type your comment above the quoted material. If you just hit reply, then it will quote the entire previous post. Generally speaking, iOS apps have always been a simplified subset of the Mac apps. I apologize for my former reply as I didn¡¯t understand that you were using iOS mail as opposed to Mac mail. On Nov 7, 2019, at 10:39 PM, Bob Stern via Groups.Io <bobbystern@...> wrote:
From the groups.io email digest...
Using iOS the ¡°Show quoted text¡± button had no affect on my reply.
Using iOS I can¡¯t show the quoted content without copying and pasting.
Perhaps it works differently on a Mac. Bob ¡¯The Beckster¡¯ Beckham FCC RadioTelephone Licence P1-6S-2422 w/Radar endorsement. Apple iMac 27¡± Late 2012 - macOS 10.15.1 - RAM 16 Gig 2019 Harley-Davidson FLHTK Ultra Limited 1993 Allen MDS Theater 2
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On Nov 6, 2019, at 6:45 PM, Randy B. Singer < randy@...> wrote:
I'd really appreciate it if you downloaded FreeOffice, Jim, and let us know what you think of it:
I wish I could, but needing to drive 90 miles 3-5 times per week for medical care (sorry, Brent, for wandering), means I don¡¯t have all the time I¡¯d need to make an informed assessment. If I find some, I¡¯ll certainly do it, but it may not be soon. I¡¯m aware that we all have an obligation here to give as well as get, so I really will try, but it may be awhile.
Jim Robertson
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Re: Upgrading to El Capitan
Just doing some research suggests you can upgrade directly from 10.7 to El Capitan. All of the typical cautions apply: Make a backup, boot it, etc. to ensure
it works.
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Vincent Winterling
Vineland, NJ
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From: [email protected] < [email protected]>
On Behalf Of Otto Nikolaus via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, November 8, 2019 6:51 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [macsupportcentral] Upgrading to El Capitan
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Is it the case that you cannot go straight to 10.11? Why?
Photos first came with 10.10.3, but iPhoto will still run after that if you want. Once you upgrade?the library to Photos, though, I don't think it's easy to go back (there are ways around that).?
iOS 9 was released the same year, 2015, as 10.11 so compatibility will be good.?
Take a full clone backup, make sure you can boot from it, and go for it!
?
I didn't get much of a response, so I will ask again.
What are the hazards of moving from 10.7.5 to 10.11? It appears that moving in one jump is not possible, as there are several conversions that no one seems to talk about. I was also hoping to wipe the internal drive and do a clean install
to remove all the detritus like MobileMe Prefs, iDisk icon under Devices and a bunch more dust bunnies.
- has a problem syncing Notes and Address book with the iCloud
- when iPhoto changed to Photos, about 10.8.3, there was a one time chance to move the photo lib over and convert it.
- I seem to remember that Mail had a conversion when going to 10.8
It sounds like other libraries are converted either on the Mac or to sync with iCloud.
All this and it still needs to sync with iOS 9.3.5 & .6, since those are the last OSes for my other devices. This is why I was hoping to install a clean copy on an external to check this out, to check compatibility for syncing with these
devices.
Bev in TX, I looked at your reply, thank you. Boot Camp can not be booted from an external drive.
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Re: Upgrading to El Capitan
Is it the case that you cannot go straight to 10.11? Why?
Photos first came with 10.10.3, but iPhoto will still run after that if you want. Once you upgrade?the library to Photos, though, I don't think it's easy to go back (there are ways around that).?
iOS 9 was released the same year, 2015, as 10.11 so compatibility will be good.?
Take a full clone backup, make sure you can boot from it, and go for it!
Otto
I didn't get much of a response, so I will ask again.
What are the hazards of moving from 10.7.5 to 10.11? It appears that moving in one jump is not possible, as there are several conversions that no one seems to talk about. I was also hoping to wipe the internal drive and do a clean install to remove all the detritus like MobileMe Prefs, iDisk icon under Devices and a bunch more dust bunnies.
10.7: - has a problem syncing Notes and Address book with the iCloud
Moving to 10.8: - when iPhoto changed to Photos, about 10.8.3, there was a one time chance to move the photo lib over and convert it. from another list - I seem to remember that Mail had a conversion when going to 10.8
It sounds like other libraries are converted either on the Mac or to sync with iCloud.
All this and it still needs to sync with iOS 9.3.5 & .6, since those are the last OSes for my other devices. This is why I was hoping to install a clean copy on an external to check this out, to check compatibility for syncing with these devices.
Bev in TX, I looked at your reply, thank you. Boot Camp can not be booted from an external drive.
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Developers are always hard at work. This appears to promise considerable confusion!
Bill
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Glad it worked for you. It is not working for me on my iPad.
From:?BrentDate: Thu, 07 Nov 2019 13:31:06 PST?Bob, it came through on my end with the quote in blue, "On (date & time etc)" with the line along the left edge. This make it very easy to recognize as a quote from who and when.
This is how I prefer to see it done.?
Brent
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From the groups.io email digest... Using iOS the ¡°Show quoted text¡± button had no affect on my reply. Using iOS I can¡¯t show the quoted content without copying and pasting.
Perhaps it works differently on a Mac. ¡ª¡ª¡ª¡ª¡ª¡ª¡ª¡ª¡ª
From:?Bob SternDate: Thu, 07 Nov 2019 06:39:42 PST?This time I copied and pasted.
I use the Apple Mail program.
In the digests there is at the bottom of each message options to reply. I used The ¡°View/Reply online¡± option.?
As I am typing this on my iPad I noticed a button to ¡°Show quoted text.¡± I tapped that button because I am curious as to how that will display this response.
You used that option within what, the web site, digest, or your favorite third party email app?
? I assume the digest, and it does a horrible job of quoting and gives no attribution. ? Brent
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Re: Upgrading to El Capitan
Howdy. Brent, you are 8 major upgrades from the current macOS X 10.15. I can't remember anything about a system that far back. Denver Dan On Thu, 7 Nov 2019 17:46:25 -0800, Brent via Groups.Io wrote: I didn't get much of a response, so I will ask again.
What are the hazards of moving from 10.7.5 to 10.11? It appears that
moving in one jump is not possible, as there are several conversions
that no one seems to talk about. I was also hoping to wipe the
internal drive and do a clean install to remove all the detritus like
MobileMe Prefs, iDisk icon under Devices and a bunch more dust
bunnies.
10.7:
- has a problem syncing Notes and Address book with the iCloud
Moving to 10.8:
- when iPhoto changed to Photos, about 10.8.3, there was a one time
chance to move the photo lib over and convert it.
from another list
- I seem to remember that Mail had a conversion when going to 10.8
It sounds like other libraries are converted either on the Mac or to
sync with iCloud.
All this and it still needs to sync with iOS 9.3.5 & .6, since those
are the last OSes for my other devices. This is why I was hoping to
install a clean copy on an external to check this out, to check
compatibility for syncing with these devices.
Bev in TX, I looked at your reply, thank you. Boot Camp can not be
booted from an external drive.
Brent
On Oct 30, 2019, at 12:36 PM, Brent via Groups.Io wrote:
Well, I an running into enough issues that I am seriously thinking
of upgrading to OS X 10.11, El Capitan. I have been happy with [|][|][|][|][|][|][|][|][|][|][|][|][|][|][|][|][|][|][|][|][|][|][|][|][|][|][|] iSent from iDan's GyazMail on my MacPro
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Re: Upgrading to El Capitan
I didn't get much of a response, so I will ask again.
What are the hazards of moving from 10.7.5 to 10.11? It appears that moving in one jump is not possible, as there are several conversions that no one seems to talk about. I was also hoping to wipe the internal drive and do a clean install to remove all the detritus like MobileMe Prefs, iDisk icon under Devices and a bunch more dust bunnies.
10.7: - has a problem syncing Notes and Address book with the iCloud
Moving to 10.8: - when iPhoto changed to Photos, about 10.8.3, there was a one time chance to move the photo lib over and convert it. from another list - I seem to remember that Mail had a conversion when going to 10.8
It sounds like other libraries are converted either on the Mac or to sync with iCloud.
All this and it still needs to sync with iOS 9.3.5 & .6, since those are the last OSes for my other devices. This is why I was hoping to install a clean copy on an external to check this out, to check compatibility for syncing with these devices.
Bev in TX, I looked at your reply, thank you. Boot Camp can not be booted from an external drive.
Brent ?
On Oct 30, 2019, at 12:36 PM, Brent via Groups.Io wrote: Well, I an running into enough issues that I am seriously thinking of upgrading to OS X 10.11, El Capitan. I have been happy with 10.7.5 until now, but issues like browsers being not accepted on different web sites, an they cannot be upgraded in this OS. ?There are a couple of other issues has finally gotten to be an point of frustration.
Can you scratch your grey matter and remember back to when you used 10.11, please?
My main Mac is an early 2008 MBP which is limited to 10.11.6. I am concerned with a few issues. I plan to try the upgrade by installing a clean on an external HD, and then installing my data and apps onto that. I will back up 10.7.5 to a different drive, but leave the original on the MBP. I have done several upgrades to the MBP, and want to eventually look at removing as much detritus as possible.
My questions are:
- Can I, or is there a way to install Windows XP into Boot Camp in 10.11? I use it occasionally, but not enough to purchase a newer version.
- Are there compatibility issues with my other devices? I seem to remember an issue with my iPhone 4S. I am not worried about my older Macs, as they don't need to sync with the MBP.
Any help would be appreciated.
Brent
15" MacBook Pro, early 2008, Mac OS X 10.7.5
Of concern: iPad, 3RD Gen Wi-Fi, iOS 9.3.5 iPhone 4S, iOS 9.3.6 iPod nano 6th Generation, Software Version 1.2, formatted for Windows iPod Classic, 80 GB,?Software Version 1.1.2
Not of concern: Power Mac G4 Quicksilver 2002,?OS X 10.5.8 Mac mini G4 original,?OS X 10.5.8 iPhone 3GS, iOS 6.1.6
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Re: Recommended mouse pad
On Nov 7, 2019, at 4:08 AM, Joan B Sax Ph.D. via Groups.Io wrote: Thanks, Randy, for your prompt reply.I have ordered the mouse pad you recommended. I wouldn¡¯t call my pet¡¯s hair a ¡°problem," just a necessity of a good life. Well, kittys are a part of computing I think. My old cat used to stand between me and my computer's monitor, because I was paying attention to the monitor and not her! Cat hair can simply be brushed off of the 3M Mousing Surface, since the surface it is hard and smooth. And every now and then you can use Windex or Fantastik or something to clean the surface so that there is no dirt or grease build up. So the problem that most mouse pads have with getting icky over time is easily avoided. ___________________________________________ Randy B. Singer Co-author of The Macintosh Bible (4th, 5th, and 6th editions) Macintosh OS X Routine Maintenance ___________________________________________
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Yeahhhh, that is how I like quotes! I had a question, and I was able to quickly find Bob's email.
My apologies for stealing the thread, and I 'ppreciate, others allowing us to test a few quotation methods within this thread.
Humbly,
Brent
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On Nov 7, 2019, at 10:53 AM, Daniel Settles wrote: Howdy.
The startup "thing" might be some kind of Canon survey.
I'd check Library and Preference folders for odd Canon things and check
the Canon web sites for a reference to this.
Denver Dan
On Wed, 06 Nov 2019 19:09:35 -0800, Bob Stern via Groups.Io wrote:
I am using the ¡°reply on line¡± option but don¡¯t know for sure if
all the content will appear.
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