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What bias board are you using? Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: Alek Petkovic vk6apk@... [ham_amplifiers]
To: ham_amplifiers
Sent: Sun, Apr 14, 2019 9:29 pm
Subject: Re: [ham_amplifiers] Bias Boards

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Well done Clark and Jim.

Thanks for the follow up and good information.

73, Alek.
VK6APK

On 15/04/2019 5:06 AM, Clark Turner clark@... [ham_amplifiers] wrote:

I got the Bias board working correctly. Thanks for Jim for the support on the phone.? The instructions should be updated for the board. It suggests adding a 10K pot in series with the factory board mounted pot. This places the two pots in series with a 100ohm so there is no way to get the full adjustment range. I ended up removing the factory trim pot and running the wires to my panel mounted pot to the board directly. This got me the 9.2K total at the board.?? Prior bias was measured at -3.5 volts and reveals why I could never get below 200MA.

Now, I can vary from 300 MA down to 0MA in a smooth action. The AMP runs much cooler.

I found gain drops slightly at 100MA or below. This is fine as the amp makes 1450 watts pep, the lowest my FT101 will load.? I plan to run a two tone test to the LP700 to get some figures of IMD at various Bias settings.

The FT101 has a huge ALC over shoot. If I use the ALC it will smack 1500 watts on the first syllable and then fall to what ever I set ALC at (example), 1000 watts.? I need to look into this issue or maybe just ignore it. Nobody seems to be able to tell on the air.

I would really like to get this down to 1000 watts pep. I use this station on 75 meters nightly and sometimes we talk for an hour or two.

Notes on installing this board:

?You can run the board across the 50K resistor.? It makes no difference in bias adjustment. This way the 50K is always inline. Might be safer if the board fails?? You would just drop to cut off.

You can run the board in the center tap line so the board is always in line and the 50K is switched.? The board does have an MOV so if board fails it will be in line.

Jim, Anything you want to add?

C

On 4/9/2019 9:56 AM, Clark Turner clark@... [ham_amplifiers] wrote:

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I have four tubes and also several 4-1000 tubes.? Two of the 3-1000Z are brand new out of the box. All make the same current and power.? I know the B plus is correct, I used my Fluke and it reads 3950 volts at full load.? My Current meter is a new meter with a typical circuit.? The Bias board is working as I can vary it up and down with the remote Pot. All the way up the board claims 39 volts and that is still 225MA. Maybe I need to run some measurements. Maybe I will just make a traditional Bias supply.? That is what I am using on my Two X 3-1000Z amp. I run it up to 7000 volts on the plates and still have range to get idle current down to 100 MA a tube.

C

On 4/8/2019 12:08 PM, 'Carl' km1h@... [ham_amplifiers] wrote:

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It is hard to argue with the Eimac spec sheet and curves so I dont know what
Clark has there.

I wouldnt expect a damaged tube to exihibit such results but........

Is there any sign of internal gas (blue glow) when testing and does the
anode show color with those high idle currents?

Carl

----- Original Message -----
From: Alek Petkovic vk6apk@... [ham_amplifiers]
To: ham_amplifiers@...
Sent: Monday, April 08, 2019 12:40 AM
Subject: Re: [ham_amplifiers] Bias Boards

Yes, I can see your confusion.

I would have thought that Carl's estimate of 13V would have been pretty
close to the mark, as the circuit I have for a 3-1000Z running at 3kV, has
0V bias and idles at 180mA.

Your 39V and 225mA idling current seems way out of whack but I can't dispute
what you are seeing.

For now, your suggested solution of adding 24V into the bias line sounds ok
but as I have not had any experience with the 3-1000Z, I'll bow to someone
who has been there and done it.

Cheers and good luck.
Alek. VK6APK

On 8/04/2019 10:41 AM, 'clark@...'
clark@... [ham_amplifiers] wrote:
I understand. But he suggested -13 volts. So I am confused

Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE device

------ Original message------
From: Alek Petkovic vk6apk@... [ham_amplifiers]
Date: Sun, Apr 7, 2019 6:48 PM
To: ham_amplifiers@...;
Cc:
Subject:Re: [ham_amplifiers] Bias Boards

Carl was talking 100mA ZSAC, not -100V bias voltage.

Cheers, Alek.
VK6APK

On 8/04/2019 9:41 AM, 'clark@...'
clark@... [ham_amplifiers] wrote:
I understand the differences in class and imd. However. 13 volts won't cut
the tube off to 100 ma. I have the amp here with the triode board all the
way up at 225 ma. Turn it down and its 300 ma. -100 suggests the class c
bias point. At 39, what the bias board is maxed is 225. Would 50 or 60
volts not be required?

Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE device

------ Original message------
From: 'Carl' km1h@... [ham_amplifiers]
Date: Sun, Apr 7, 2019 6:17 PM
To: ham_amplifiers@yah oogroups.com;
Cc:
Subject:Re: [ham_amplifiers] Bias Boards

Class C bias means zero Ip in standby, my comment was right out of the Eimac
tube manual for Class B modulators and 100 ma PER tube idle current.

Class B is class B no matter what your using it for.and the tube curves will
show you a wide range of bias within that Class. I do that with AM linears
such as a Clipperton L and run it deeper into B than for SSB. Actual
measured IMD barely changes but the wasted dissipation drops way down to the
point I can run 1000W PEP out with just 572B color on voice peaks.

Carl

----- Original Message -----
From: Clark Turner clark@... [ham_amplifiers]
To: ham_amplifiers@...
Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2019 4:56 PM
Subject: Re: [ham_amplifiers] Bias Boards

Thanks for the reply Carl. I am confused as to your suggestion to use -13
volts. I am using -39 now and its still 225 MA at 4000 volts. The Sheet
lists -100 to be Class C bias.

C

On 4/7/2019 11:48 AM, 'Carl' km1h@... [ham_amplifiers] wrote:

My experience with the Alpha and a few later EBS circuits is that the
switching transient spike goes out over the air.

Several have commented the same about the AL-80B circuit and they have
removed it, but I havent had one in here recently to test.

The 3-1000Z is fine with 100 ma idle at 5000V in Class B and ~ -13V bias.

Carl

----- Original Message -----
From: Clark Turner clark@... [ham_amplifiers]
To: ham_amplifiers@...
Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2019 12:54 PM
Subject: [ham_amplifiers] Bias Boards

I have a BTI LK2000(single 3-1000Z) that I have rebuilt a few years ago.
The Power supply had previously been changed to a traditional Choke
input from the factory doubler supply. The transformer was 120 volt
primary and was limited.

I obtained a Hypersil transformer with 220 volt primary. Its a 1.5 amp
model. I used a replacement Diode board with metering circuit for an
ALpha 77 I found on ebay along with a 40MFD Oil cap. TO finish it off I
used a large contactor.

The amp runs 4000 volts(low tap) on the plate as measured and had 350MA
of idle. I used Tony's Triode bias board and that got me down to 225MA
with the board turned up max. The amp runs HOT and requires a second
fan on top of the cabinet to extract heat.

I planned to alter the Bias board with a 20 to 24 volt 1 watt Zener
diode as described on the website. This should get me 50 something
volts of bias to cut the idle current back more. 100ma?

Has anyone used the EBS-1 bias board? It seems that this approach cuts
the tube off with no drive and has no bias as the drive comes up. I
wonder if this is a worth while system? Any drawbacks?

I do plan to upgrade the blower motor for increased air flow but cannot
find a blower with the motor on the same side as this one. It is no
longer available. I plan to retrofit something in the amp while I am
working on the bias.

C

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I got the Bias board working correctly. Thanks for Jim for the support on the phone.? The instructions should be updated for the board. It suggests adding a 10K pot in series with the factory board mounted pot. This places the two pots in series with a 100ohm so there is no way to get the full adjustment range. I ended up removing the factory trim pot and running the wires to my panel mounted pot to the board directly. This got me the 9.2K total at the board.?? Prior bias was measured at -3.5 volts and reveals why I could never get below 200MA.

Now, I can vary from 300 MA down to 0MA in a smooth action. The AMP runs much cooler.

I found gain drops slightly at 100MA or below. This is fine as the amp makes 1450 watts pep, the lowest my FT101 will load.? I plan to run a two tone test to the LP700 to get some figures of IMD at various Bias settings.

The FT101 has a huge ALC over shoot. If I use the ALC it will smack 1500 watts on the first syllable and then fall to what ever I set ALC at (example), 1000 watts.? I need to look into this issue or maybe just ignore it. Nobody seems to be able to tell on the air.

I would really like to get this down to 1000 watts pep. I use this station on 75 meters nightly and sometimes we talk for an hour or two.

Notes on installing this board:

?You can run the board across the 50K resistor.? It makes no difference in bias adjustment. This way the 50K is always inline. Might be safer if the board fails?? You would just drop to cut off.

You can run the board in the center tap line so the board is always in line and the 50K is switched.? The board does have an MOV so if board fails it will be in line.

Jim, Anything you want to add?

C

On 4/9/2019 9:56 AM, Clark Turner clark@... [ham_amplifiers] wrote:

?

I have four tubes and also several 4-1000 tubes.? Two of the 3-1000Z are brand new out of the box. All make the same current and power.? I know the B plus is correct, I used my Fluke and it reads 3950 volts at full load.? My Current meter is a new meter with a typical circuit.? The Bias board is working as I can vary it up and down with the remote Pot. All the way up the board claims 39 volts and that is still 225MA. Maybe I need to run some measurements. Maybe I will just make a traditional Bias supply.? That is what I am using on my Two X 3-1000Z amp. I run it up to 7000 volts on the plates and still have range to get idle current down to 100 MA a tube.

C

On 4/8/2019 12:08 PM, 'Carl' km1h@... [ham_amplifiers] wrote:

?

It is hard to argue with the Eimac spec sheet and curves so I dont know what
Clark has there.

I wouldnt expect a damaged tube to exihibit such results but........

Is there any sign of internal gas (blue glow) when testing and does the
anode show color with those high idle currents?

Carl

----- Original Message -----
From: Alek Petkovic vk6apk@... [ham_amplifiers]
To: ham_amplifiers@...
Sent: Monday, April 08, 2019 12:40 AM
Subject: Re: [ham_amplifiers] Bias Boards

Yes, I can see your confusion.

I would have thought that Carl's estimate of 13V would have been pretty
close to the mark, as the circuit I have for a 3-1000Z running at 3kV, has
0V bias and idles at 180mA.

Your 39V and 225mA idling current seems way out of whack but I can't dispute
what you are seeing.

For now, your suggested solution of adding 24V into the bias line sounds ok
but as I have not had any experience with the 3-1000Z, I'll bow to someone
who has been there and done it.

Cheers and good luck.
Alek. VK6APK

On 8/04/2019 10:41 AM, 'clark@...'
clark@... [ham_amplifiers] wrote:
I understand. But he suggested -13 volts. So I am confused

Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE device

------ Original message------
From: Alek Petkovic vk6apk@... [ham_amplifiers]
Date: Sun, Apr 7, 2019 6:48 PM
To: ham_amplifiers@...;
Cc:
Subject:Re: [ham_amplifiers] Bias Boards

Carl was talking 100mA ZSAC, not -100V bias voltage.

Cheers, Alek.
VK6APK

On 8/04/2019 9:41 AM, 'clark@...'
clark@... [ham_amplifiers] wrote:
I understand the differences in class and imd. However. 13 volts won't cut
the tube off to 100 ma. I have the amp here with the triode board all the
way up at 225 ma. Turn it down and its 300 ma. -100 suggests the class c
bias point. At 39, what the bias board is maxed is 225. Would 50 or 60
volts not be required?

Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE device

------ Original message------
From: 'Carl' km1h@... [ham_amplifiers]
Date: Sun, Apr 7, 2019 6:17 PM
To: ham_amplifiers@yah oogroups.com;
Cc:
Subject:Re: [ham_amplifiers] Bias Boards

Class C bias means zero Ip in standby, my comment was right out of the Eimac
tube manual for Class B modulators and 100 ma PER tube idle current.

Class B is class B no matter what your using it for.and the tube curves will
show you a wide range of bias within that Class. I do that with AM linears
such as a Clipperton L and run it deeper into B than for SSB. Actual
measured IMD barely changes but the wasted dissipation drops way down to the
point I can run 1000W PEP out with just 572B color on voice peaks.

Carl

----- Original Message -----
From: Clark Turner clark@... [ham_amplifiers]
To: ham_amplifiers@...
Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2019 4:56 PM
Subject: Re: [ham_amplifiers] Bias Boards

Thanks for the reply Carl. I am confused as to your suggestion to use -13
volts. I am using -39 now and its still 225 MA at 4000 volts. The Sheet
lists -100 to be Class C bias.

C

On 4/7/2019 11:48 AM, 'Carl' km1h@... [ham_amplifiers] wrote:

My experience with the Alpha and a few later EBS circuits is that the
switching transient spike goes out over the air.

Several have commented the same about the AL-80B circuit and they have
removed it, but I havent had one in here recently to test.

The 3-1000Z is fine with 100 ma idle at 5000V in Class B and ~ -13V bias.

Carl

----- Original Message -----
From: Clark Turner clark@... [ham_amplifiers]
To: ham_amplifiers@...
Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2019 12:54 PM
Subject: [ham_amplifiers] Bias Boards

I have a BTI LK2000(single 3-1000Z) that I have rebuilt a few years ago.
The Power supply had previously been changed to a traditional Choke
input from the factory doubler supply. The transformer was 120 volt
primary and was limited.

I obtained a Hypersil transformer with 220 volt primary. Its a 1.5 amp
model. I used a replacement Diode board with metering circuit for an
ALpha 77 I found on ebay along with a 40MFD Oil cap. TO finish it off I
used a large contactor.

The amp runs 4000 volts(low tap) on the plate as measured and had 350MA
of idle. I used Tony's Triode bias board and that got me down to 225MA
with the board turned up max. The amp runs HOT and requires a second
fan on top of the cabinet to extract heat.

I planned to alter the Bias board with a 20 to 24 volt 1 watt Zener
diode as described on the website. This should get me 50 something
volts of bias to cut the idle current back more. 100ma?

Has anyone used the EBS-1 bias board? It seems that this approach cuts
the tube off with no drive and has no bias as the drive comes up. I
wonder if this is a worth while system? Any drawbacks?

I do plan to upgrade the blower motor for increased air flow but cannot
find a blower with the motor on the same side as this one. It is no
longer available. I plan to retrofit something in the amp while I am
working on the bias.

C

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I got the Bias board working correctly. Thanks for Jim for the support on the phone.? The instructions should be updated for the board. It suggests adding a 10K pot in series with the factory board mounted pot. This places the two pots in series with a 100ohm so there is no way to get the full adjustment range. I ended up removing the factory trim pot and running the wires to my panel mounted pot to the board directly. This got me the 9.2K total at the board.?? Prior bias was measured at -3.5 volts and reveals why I could never get below 200MA.

Now, I can vary from 300 MA down to 0MA in a smooth action. The AMP runs much cooler.

I found gain drops slightly at 100MA or below. This is fine as the amp makes 1450 watts pep, the lowest my FT101 will load.? I plan to run a two tone test to the LP700 to get some figures of IMD at various Bias settings.

The FT101 has a huge ALC over shoot. If I use the ALC it will smack 1500 watts on the first syllable and then fall to what ever I set ALC at (example), 1000 watts.? I need to look into this issue or maybe just ignore it. Nobody seems to be able to tell on the air.

I would really like to get this down to 1000 watts pep. I use this station on 75 meters nightly and sometimes we talk for an hour or two.

Notes on installing this board:

?You can run the board across the 50K resistor.? It makes no difference in bias adjustment. This way the 50K is always inline. Might be safer if the board fails?? You would just drop to cut off.

You can run the board in the center tap line so the board is always in line and the 50K is switched.? The board does have an MOV so if board fails it will be in line.

Jim, Anything you want to add?

C

?

I have four tubes and also several 4-1000 tubes.? Two of the 3-1000Z are brand new out of the box. All make the same current and power.? I know the B plus is correct, I used my Fluke and it reads 3950 volts at full load.? My Current meter is a new meter with a typical circuit.? The Bias board is working as I can vary it up and down with the remote Pot. All the way up the board claims 39 volts and that is still 225MA. Maybe I need to run some measurements. Maybe I will just make a traditional Bias supply.? That is what I am using on my Two X 3-1000Z amp. I run it up to 7000 volts on the plates and still have range to get idle current down to 100 MA a tube.

C

On 4/8/2019 12:08 PM, 'Carl' km1h@... [ham_amplifiers] wrote:

?

It is hard to argue with the Eimac spec sheet and curves so I dont know what
Clark has there.

I wouldnt expect a damaged tube to exihibit such results but........

Is there any sign of internal gas (blue glow) when testing and does the
anode show color with those high idle currents?

Carl

----- Original Message -----
From: Alek Petkovic vk6apk@... [ham_amplifiers]
To: ham_amplifiers@...
Sent: Monday, April 08, 2019 12:40 AM
Subject: Re: [ham_amplifiers] Bias Boards

Yes, I can see your confusion.

I would have thought that Carl's estimate of 13V would have been pretty
close to the mark, as the circuit I have for a 3-1000Z running at 3kV, has
0V bias and idles at 180mA.

Your 39V and 225mA idling current seems way out of whack but I can't dispute
what you are seeing.

For now, your suggested solution of adding 24V into the bias line sounds ok
but as I have not had any experience with the 3-1000Z, I'll bow to someone
who has been there and done it.

Cheers and good luck.
Alek. VK6APK

On 8/04/2019 10:41 AM, 'clark@...'
clark@... [ham_amplifiers] wrote:
I understand. But he suggested -13 volts. So I am confused

Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE device

------ Original message------
From: Alek Petkovic vk6apk@... [ham_amplifiers]
Date: Sun, Apr 7, 2019 6:48 PM
To: ham_amplifiers@...;
Cc:
Subject:Re: [ham_amplifiers] Bias Boards

Carl was talking 100mA ZSAC, not -100V bias voltage.

Cheers, Alek.
VK6APK

On 8/04/2019 9:41 AM, 'clark@...'
clark@... [ham_amplifiers] wrote:
I understand the differences in class and imd. However. 13 volts won't cut
the tube off to 100 ma. I have the amp here with the triode board all the
way up at 225 ma. Turn it down and its 300 ma. -100 suggests the class c
bias point. At 39, what the bias board is maxed is 225. Would 50 or 60
volts not be required?

Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE device

------ Original message------
From: 'Carl' km1h@... [ham_amplifiers]
Date: Sun, Apr 7, 2019 6:17 PM
To: ham_amplifiers@yah oogroups.com;
Cc:
Subject:Re: [ham_amplifiers] Bias Boards

Class C bias means zero Ip in standby, my comment was right out of the Eimac
tube manual for Class B modulators and 100 ma PER tube idle current.

Class B is class B no matter what your using it for.and the tube curves will
show you a wide range of bias within that Class. I do that with AM linears
such as a Clipperton L and run it deeper into B than for SSB. Actual
measured IMD barely changes but the wasted dissipation drops way down to the
point I can run 1000W PEP out with just 572B color on voice peaks.

Carl

----- Original Message -----
From: Clark Turner clark@... [ham_amplifiers]
To: ham_amplifiers@...
Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2019 4:56 PM
Subject: Re: [ham_amplifiers] Bias Boards

Thanks for the reply Carl. I am confused as to your suggestion to use -13
volts. I am using -39 now and its still 225 MA at 4000 volts. The Sheet
lists -100 to be Class C bias.

C

On 4/7/2019 11:48 AM, 'Carl' km1h@... [ham_amplifiers] wrote:

My experience with the Alpha and a few later EBS circuits is that the
switching transient spike goes out over the air.

Several have commented the same about the AL-80B circuit and they have
removed it, but I havent had one in here recently to test.

The 3-1000Z is fine with 100 ma idle at 5000V in Class B and ~ -13V bias.

Carl

----- Original Message -----
From: Clark Turner clark@... [ham_amplifiers]
To: ham_amplifiers@...
Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2019 12:54 PM
Subject: [ham_amplifiers] Bias Boards

I have a BTI LK2000(single 3-1000Z) that I have rebuilt a few years ago.
The Power supply had previously been changed to a traditional Choke
input from the factory doubler supply. The transformer was 120 volt
primary and was limited.

I obtained a Hypersil transformer with 220 volt primary. Its a 1.5 amp
model. I used a replacement Diode board with metering circuit for an
ALpha 77 I found on ebay along with a 40MFD Oil cap. TO finish it off I
used a large contactor.

The amp runs 4000 volts(low tap) on the plate as measured and had 350MA
of idle. I used Tony's Triode bias board and that got me down to 225MA
with the board turned up max. The amp runs HOT and requires a second
fan on top of the cabinet to extract heat.

I planned to alter the Bias board with a 20 to 24 volt 1 watt Zener
diode as described on the website. This should get me 50 something
volts of bias to cut the idle current back more. 100ma?

Has anyone used the EBS-1 bias board? It seems that this approach cuts
the tube off with no drive and has no bias as the drive comes up. I
wonder if this is a worth while system? Any drawbacks?

I do plan to upgrade the blower motor for increased air flow but cannot
find a blower with the motor on the same side as this one. It is no
longer available. I plan to retrofit something in the amp while I am
working on the bias.

C

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That is the Plan. Its a major pain to get to the board as the Deck has to come off the Cabinet.? Maybe later today I can take a look inside. The tube has full output power and is the same as the other amp.? The two hole amp is an interesting design where I can run the left tube, The right tube or both.?

C

?

Get inside the? single 3-1000Z? amp....and? measure the? actual? voltage? being applied.? It may well be a simple thing,? where you have it hooked? up incorrectly, and have diverted a? huge chunk of that? 39? volts? in another direction....leaving very little V left for actual? biasing purposes.? ? I suspect you have? some voltage divider action taking place some where..and quite possibly on the board itself..or a combo of? board and? external to the board.??

Since you also have a 2 x 3-1000Z amp,? you could also use the? tube from the? single? 3-1000 Amp....and stick it into the 2 hole amp.... to verify the? tube is just fine.? ( which it probably is).?

That board has? bucket loads of bias to do the job three times over.? ?

Jim? VE7RF

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That is a great question.? Its a variable supply and I just started off 0 and turned up until I had it set. I would need to measure it.? I read the Datasheet. I would think -15 to -20 range would do it at higher B plus. On my BTI single tube amp the board is rated up to 39 volts and its up all the way.? I am thinking that the board itself has a problem or I have hooked it up wrong some how. I need to remove the deck off the Cabinet and have a look now.? 225MA idle is just making to much heat.

C

?

So how much voltage does the supply for the dual 3-1000 show at 100 ma per tube?

?

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-----Original Message-----
From: Clark Turner clark@... [ham_amplifiers]
To: ham_amplifiers
Sent: Tue, Apr 9, 2019 2:13 pm
Subject: Re: [ham_amplifiers] Bias Boards

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I have four tubes and also several 4-1000 tubes.? Two of the 3-1000Z are brand new out of the box. All make the same current and power.? I know the B plus is correct, I used my Fluke and it reads 3950 volts at full load.? My Current meter is a new meter with a typical circuit.? The Bias board is working as I can vary it up and down with the remote Pot. All the way up the board claims 39 volts and that is still 225MA. Maybe I need to run some measurements. Maybe I will just make a traditional Bias supply.? That is what I am using on my Two X 3-1000Z amp. I run it up to 7000 volts on the plates and still have range to get idle current down to 100 MA a tube.

C

On 4/8/2019 12:08 PM, 'Carl' km1h@... [ham_amplifiers] wrote:

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It is hard to argue with the Eimac spec sheet and curves so I dont know what
Clark has there.

I wouldnt expect a damaged tube to exihibit such results but........

Is there any sign of internal gas (blue glow) when testing and does the
anode show color with those high idle currents?

Carl

----- Original Message -----
From: Alek Petkovic vk6apk@... [ham_amplifiers]
To: ham_amplifiers@...
Sent: Monday, April 08, 2019 12:40 AM
Subject: Re: [ham_amplifiers] Bias Boards

Yes, I can see your confusion.

I would have thought that Carl's estimate of 13V would have been pretty
close to the mark, as the circuit I have for a 3-1000Z running at 3kV, has
0V bias and idles at 180mA.

Your 39V and 225mA idling current seems way out of whack but I can't dispute
what you are seeing.

For now, your suggested solution of adding 24V into the bias line sounds ok
but as I have not had any experience with the 3-1000Z, I'll bow to someone
who has been there and done it.

Cheers and good luck.
Alek. VK6APK

On 8/04/2019 10:41 AM, 'clark@...'
clark@... [ham_amplifiers] wrote:
I understand. But he suggested -13 volts. So I am confused

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------ Original message------
From: Alek Petkovic vk6apk@... [ham_amplifiers]
Date: Sun, Apr 7, 2019 6:48 PM
To: ham_amplifiers@...;
Cc:
Subject:Re: [ham_amplifiers] Bias Boards

Carl was talking 100mA ZSAC, not -100V bias voltage.

Cheers, Alek.
VK6APK

On 8/04/2019 9:41 AM, 'clark@...'
clark@... [ham_amplifiers] wrote:
I understand the differences in class and imd. However. 13 volts won't cut
the tube off to 100 ma. I have the amp here with the triode board all the
way up at 225 ma. Turn it down and its 300 ma. -100 suggests the class c
bias point. At 39, what the bias board is maxed is 225. Would 50 or 60
volts not be required?

Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE device

------ Original message------
From: 'Carl' km1h@... [ham_amplifiers]
Date: Sun, Apr 7, 2019 6:17 PM
To: ham_amplifiers@yah oogroups.com;
Cc:
Subject:Re: [ham_amplifiers] Bias Boards

Class C bias means zero Ip in standby, my comment was right out of the Eimac
tube manual for Class B modulators and 100 ma PER tube idle current.

Class B is class B no matter what your using it for.and the tube curves will
show you a wide range of bias within that Class. I do that with AM linears
such as a Clipperton L and run it deeper into B than for SSB. Actual
measured IMD barely changes but the wasted dissipation drops way down to the
point I can run 1000W PEP out with just 572B color on voice peaks.

Carl

----- Original Message -----
From: Clark Turner clark@... [ham_amplifiers]
To: ham_amplifiers@...
Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2019 4:56 PM
Subject: Re: [ham_amplifiers] Bias Boards

Thanks for the reply Carl. I am confused as to your suggestion to use -13
volts. I am using -39 now and its still 225 MA at 4000 volts. The Sheet
lists -100 to be Class C bias.

C

On 4/7/2019 11:48 AM, 'Carl' km1h@... [ham_amplifiers] wrote:

My experience with the Alpha and a few later EBS circuits is that the
switching transient spike goes out over the air.

Several have commented the same about the AL-80B circuit and they have
removed it, but I havent had one in here recently to test.

The 3-1000Z is fine with 100 ma idle at 5000V in Class B and ~ -13V bias.

Carl

----- Original Message -----
From: Clark Turner clark@... [ham_amplifiers]
To: ham_amplifiers@...
Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2019 12:54 PM
Subject: [ham_amplifiers] Bias Boards

I have a BTI LK2000(single 3-1000Z) that I have rebuilt a few years ago.
The Power supply had previously been changed to a traditional Choke
input from the factory doubler supply. The transformer was 120 volt
primary and was limited.

I obtained a Hypersil transformer with 220 volt primary. Its a 1.5 amp
model. I used a replacement Diode board with metering circuit for an
ALpha 77 I found on ebay along with a 40MFD Oil cap. TO finish it off I
used a large contactor.

The amp runs 4000 volts(low tap) on the plate as measured and had 350MA
of idle. I used Tony's Triode bias board and that got me down to 225MA
with the board turned up max. The amp runs HOT and requires a second
fan on top of the cabinet to extract heat.

I planned to alter the Bias board with a 20 to 24 volt 1 watt Zener
diode as described on the website. This should get me 50 something
volts of bias to cut the idle current back more. 100ma?

Has anyone used the EBS-1 bias board? It seems that this approach cuts
the tube off with no drive and has no bias as the drive comes up. I
wonder if this is a worth while system? Any drawbacks?

I do plan to upgrade the blower motor for increased air flow but cannot
find a blower with the motor on the same side as this one. It is no
longer available. I plan to retrofit something in the amp while I am
working on the bias.

C

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I have four tubes and also several 4-1000 tubes.? Two of the 3-1000Z are brand new out of the box. All make the same current and power.? I know the B plus is correct, I used my Fluke and it reads 3950 volts at full load.? My Current meter is a new meter with a typical circuit.? The Bias board is working as I can vary it up and down with the remote Pot. All the way up the board claims 39 volts and that is still 225MA. Maybe I need to run some measurements. Maybe I will just make a traditional Bias supply.? That is what I am using on my Two X 3-1000Z amp. I run it up to 7000 volts on the plates and still have range to get idle current down to 100 MA a tube.

C

?

It is hard to argue with the Eimac spec sheet and curves so I dont know what
Clark has there.

I wouldnt expect a damaged tube to exihibit such results but........

Is there any sign of internal gas (blue glow) when testing and does the
anode show color with those high idle currents?

Carl

----- Original Message -----
From: Alek Petkovic vk6apk@... [ham_amplifiers]
To: ham_amplifiers@...
Sent: Monday, April 08, 2019 12:40 AM
Subject: Re: [ham_amplifiers] Bias Boards

Yes, I can see your confusion.

I would have thought that Carl's estimate of 13V would have been pretty
close to the mark, as the circuit I have for a 3-1000Z running at 3kV, has
0V bias and idles at 180mA.

Your 39V and 225mA idling current seems way out of whack but I can't dispute
what you are seeing.

For now, your suggested solution of adding 24V into the bias line sounds ok
but as I have not had any experience with the 3-1000Z, I'll bow to someone
who has been there and done it.

Cheers and good luck.
Alek. VK6APK

On 8/04/2019 10:41 AM, 'clark@...'
clark@... [ham_amplifiers] wrote:
I understand. But he suggested -13 volts. So I am confused

Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE device

------ Original message------
From: Alek Petkovic vk6apk@... [ham_amplifiers]
Date: Sun, Apr 7, 2019 6:48 PM
To: ham_amplifiers@...;
Cc:
Subject:Re: [ham_amplifiers] Bias Boards

Carl was talking 100mA ZSAC, not -100V bias voltage.

Cheers, Alek.
VK6APK

On 8/04/2019 9:41 AM, 'clark@...'
clark@... [ham_amplifiers] wrote:
I understand the differences in class and imd. However. 13 volts won't cut
the tube off to 100 ma. I have the amp here with the triode board all the
way up at 225 ma. Turn it down and its 300 ma. -100 suggests the class c
bias point. At 39, what the bias board is maxed is 225. Would 50 or 60
volts not be required?

Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE device

------ Original message------
From: 'Carl' km1h@... [ham_amplifiers]
Date: Sun, Apr 7, 2019 6:17 PM
To: ham_amplifiers@yah oogroups.com;
Cc:
Subject:Re: [ham_amplifiers] Bias Boards

Class C bias means zero Ip in standby, my comment was right out of the Eimac
tube manual for Class B modulators and 100 ma PER tube idle current.

Class B is class B no matter what your using it for.and the tube curves will
show you a wide range of bias within that Class. I do that with AM linears
such as a Clipperton L and run it deeper into B than for SSB. Actual
measured IMD barely changes but the wasted dissipation drops way down to the
point I can run 1000W PEP out with just 572B color on voice peaks.

Carl

----- Original Message -----
From: Clark Turner clark@... [ham_amplifiers]
To: ham_amplifiers@...
Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2019 4:56 PM
Subject: Re: [ham_amplifiers] Bias Boards

Thanks for the reply Carl. I am confused as to your suggestion to use -13
volts. I am using -39 now and its still 225 MA at 4000 volts. The Sheet
lists -100 to be Class C bias.

C

On 4/7/2019 11:48 AM, 'Carl' km1h@... [ham_amplifiers] wrote:

My experience with the Alpha and a few later EBS circuits is that the
switching transient spike goes out over the air.

Several have commented the same about the AL-80B circuit and they have
removed it, but I havent had one in here recently to test.

The 3-1000Z is fine with 100 ma idle at 5000V in Class B and ~ -13V bias.

Carl

----- Original Message -----
From: Clark Turner clark@... [ham_amplifiers]
To: ham_amplifiers@...
Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2019 12:54 PM
Subject: [ham_amplifiers] Bias Boards

I have a BTI LK2000(single 3-1000Z) that I have rebuilt a few years ago.
The Power supply had previously been changed to a traditional Choke
input from the factory doubler supply. The transformer was 120 volt
primary and was limited.

I obtained a Hypersil transformer with 220 volt primary. Its a 1.5 amp
model. I used a replacement Diode board with metering circuit for an
ALpha 77 I found on ebay along with a 40MFD Oil cap. TO finish it off I
used a large contactor.

The amp runs 4000 volts(low tap) on the plate as measured and had 350MA
of idle. I used Tony's Triode bias board and that got me down to 225MA
with the board turned up max. The amp runs HOT and requires a second
fan on top of the cabinet to extract heat.

I planned to alter the Bias board with a 20 to 24 volt 1 watt Zener
diode as described on the website. This should get me 50 something
volts of bias to cut the idle current back more. 100ma?

Has anyone used the EBS-1 bias board? It seems that this approach cuts
the tube off with no drive and has no bias as the drive comes up. I
wonder if this is a worth while system? Any drawbacks?

I do plan to upgrade the blower motor for increased air flow but cannot
find a blower with the motor on the same side as this one. It is no
longer available. I plan to retrofit something in the amp while I am
working on the bias.

C

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Thank you Dave. I will look into that board.

C

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It's worth looking at this site:

What Ian doesn't know about such topics isn't worth knowing.

Dom F1FRV could also give good advice

73

Dave G0OIL

On Sunday, 7 April 2019, 21:56:56 BST, Clark Turner clark@... [ham_amplifiers] wrote:

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Thanks for the reply Carl. I am confused as to your suggestion to use -13 volts. I am using -39 now and its still 225 MA at 4000 volts.? The Sheet lists -100 to be Class C bias.

C

On 4/7/2019 11:48 AM, 'Carl' km1h@... [ham_amplifiers] wrote:

?

My experience with the Alpha and a few later EBS circuits is that the
switching transient spike goes out over the air.

Several have commented the same about the AL-80B circuit and they have
removed it, but I havent had one in here recently to test.

The 3-1000Z is fine with 100 ma idle at 5000V in Class B and ~ -13V bias.

Carl

----- Original Message -----
From: Clark Turner clark@... [ham_amplifiers]
To: ham_amplifiers@...
Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2019 12:54 PM
Subject: [ham_amplifiers] Bias Boards

I have a BTI LK2000(single 3-1000Z) that I have rebuilt a few years ago.
The Power supply had previously been changed to a traditional Choke
input from the factory doubler supply. The transformer was 120 volt
primary and was limited.

I obtained a Hypersil transformer with 220 volt primary. Its a 1.5 amp
model. I used a replacement Diode board with metering circuit for an
ALpha 77 I found on ebay along with a 40MFD Oil cap. TO finish it off I
used a large contactor.

The amp runs 4000 volts(low tap) on the plate as measured and had 350MA
of idle. I used Tony's Triode bias board and that got me down to 225MA
with the board turned up max. The amp runs HOT and requires a second
fan on top of the cabinet to extract heat.

I planned to alter the Bias board with a 20 to 24 volt 1 watt Zener
diode as described on the website. This should get me 50 something
volts of bias to cut the idle current back more. 100ma?

Has anyone used the EBS-1 bias board? It seems that this approach cuts
the tube off with no drive and has no bias as the drive comes up. I
wonder if this is a worth while system? Any drawbacks?

I do plan to upgrade the blower motor for increased air flow but cannot
find a blower with the motor on the same side as this one. It is no
longer available. I plan to retrofit something in the amp while I am
working on the bias.

C

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I understand. But he suggested -13 volts. So I am confused

Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE device

------ Original message------

From: Alek Petkovic vk6apk@... [ham_amplifiers]

Date: Sun, Apr 7, 2019 6:48 PM

To: ham_amplifiers@...;

Cc:

Subject:Re: [ham_amplifiers] Bias Boards

?

Carl was talking 100mA ZSAC, not -100V bias voltage.

Cheers, Alek.
VK6APK

On 8/04/2019 9:41 AM, 'clark@...' clark@... [ham_amplifiers] wrote:

I understand the differences in class and imd. However. 13 volts won't cut the tube off to 100 ma. I have the amp here with the triode board all the way up at 225 ma.? Turn it down and its 300 ma.? -100 suggests the class c bias point. At 39, what the bias board is maxed is 225.? Would 50 or 60 volts not be required?

Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE device

------ Original message------

From: 'Carl' km1h@... [ham_amplifiers]

Date: Sun, Apr 7, 2019 6:17 PM

To: ham_amplifiers@yah oogroups.com;

Cc:

Subject:Re: [ham_amplifiers] Bias Boards

?

Class C bias means zero Ip in standby, my comment was right out of the Eimac
tube manual for Class B modulators and 100 ma PER tube idle current.

Class B is class B no matter what your using it d the tube curves will
show you a wide range of bias within that Class. I do that with AM linears
such as a Clipperton L and run it deeper into B than for SSB. Actual
measured IMD barely changes but the wasted dissipation drops way down to the
point I can run 1000W PEP out with just 572B color on voice peaks.

Carl

----- Original Message -----
From: Clark Turner clark@... [ham_amplifiers]
To: ham_amplifiers@...
Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2019 4:56 PM
Subject: Re: [ham_amplifiers] Bias Boards

Thanks for the reply Carl. I am confused as to your suggestion to use -13
volts. I am using -39 now and its still 225 MA at 4000 volts. The Sheet
lists -100 to be Class C bias.

C

On 4/7/2019 11:48 AM, 'Carl' km1h@... [ham_amplifiers] wrote:

My experience with the Alpha and a few later EBS circuits is that the
switching transient spike goes out over the air.

Several have commented the same about the AL-80B circuit and they have
removed it, but I havent had one in here recently to test.

The 3-1000Z is fine with 100 ma idle at 5000V in Class B and ~ -13V bias.

Carl

----- Original Message -----
From: Clark Turner clark@... [ham_amplifiers]
To: ham_amplifiers@...
Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2019 12:54 PM
Subject: [ham_amplifiers] Bias Boards

I have a BTI LK2000(single 3-1000Z) that I have rebuilt a few years ago.
The Power supply had previously been changed to a traditional Choke
input from the factory doubler supply. The transformer was 120 volt
primary and was limited.

I obtained a Hypersil transformer with 220 volt primary. Its a 1.5 amp
model. I used a replacement Diode board with metering circuit for an
ALpha 77 I found on ebay along with a 40MFD Oil cap. TO finish it off I
used a large contactor.

The amp runs 4000 volts(low tap) on the plate as measured and had 350MA
of idle. I used Tony's Triode bias board and that got me down to 225MA
with the board turned up max. The amp runs HOT and requires a second
fan on top of the cabinet to extract heat.

I planned to alter the Bias board with a 20 to 24 volt 1 watt Zener
diode as described on the website. This should get me 50 something
volts of bias to cut the idle current back more. 100ma?

Has anyone used the EBS-1 bias board? It seems that this approach cuts
the tube off with no drive and has no bias as the drive comes up. I
wonder if this is a worth while system? Any drawbacks?

I do plan to upgrade the blower motor for increased air flow but cannot
find a blower with the motor on the same side as this one. It is no
longer available. I plan to retrofit something in the amp while I am
working on the bias.

C

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The Velvet Fox. 
Smart Design Electrical. 
Perth Interiors. 

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Smart Design Electrical. 
Perth Interiors.