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Re: DDR to different VOLSER

 

DMKSNT was the missing piece.

All good now.

Thanks to all who offered suggestions, this group and the folks in it are great!
Re: DDR to different VOLSER

 

On Sat, Jan 27, 2024 at 18:48 Daniel L. Srebnick via <dan=[email protected]> wrote:

after IPL, the MAINT account cannot find CMS.

There are two ways to run CMS.? Most folks (OK, everyone) runs the "saved system", via IPL CMS.? But you can also run it from the S-disk, via IPL 190.? If you can IPL 190 but not IPL CMS, something is messed up with your saved copy of CMS.? Probably some combination of your renamed volumes, DMKSYS, and DMKSNT.

Ross
Re: DDR to different VOLSER

 

Daniel,

By the way, you should be able to IPL CMS by issuing IPL 190 instead.? That should get you going so you can edit DMKSNT and build CP.

Bob
Re: DDR to different VOLSER

 

Daniel,

On your second level system, you will need to update DMKSNT ASSEMBLE, and change all of the volume references within, then build a CP nucleus and re-ipl.

Regards,
Bob
Re: DDR to different VOLSER

 

Now I know how to relabel a volume thanks to the help of the group.

My last hurdle is that after IPL, the MAINT account cannot find CMS..

Prior to IPL, I relabeled the DASD,? updated the directory for the new labels, updated all the references in DMKSYS for the new labels and rebuilt.

The 2nd level IPL works fine, Q DASD shows me the expected volumes, but none of the users on the 2nd level can IPL CMS.

????? SYSTEM CMS????? VOLID VM50-1 NOT MOUNTED

I have missed something necessary.? Perhaps the group can further educate me?
Re: DDR to different VOLSER

 

Just use the standalone format/allocate program.? You don't need any control cards, just answer the prompts.? You can do all eight volumes in just a few minutes.? Here is an example of changing the volser on one volume,at address 240, a 3350 device:
Thanks Bob.? I do like the idea of the control statement deck as there are 8 volumes I want to touch.
Re: DDR to different VOLSER

 

CP SPOOL PUNCH CONT TO *
PUNCH IPL FMT S (NOH
PUNCH RELABEL CARDS A (NOH
CP SPOOL PRT TO *
CP SPOOL CON START TO *
CP IPL 00C

Thanks.? This was really helpful.

I did have to leave out spooling the console to use the control statement deck rather than the console.
Re: DDR to different VOLSER

 

Daniel,

Just use the standalone format/allocate program.? You don't need any control cards, just answer the prompts.? You can do all eight volumes in just a few minutes.? Here is an example of changing the volser on one volume,at address 240, a 3350 device:

spool punch *????????????????????????????????????????
Ready; T=0.01/0.01 14:49:34??????????????????? ?
pu ipl fmt s (noh????????????????????????????? ?
PUN FILE 0335? TO? MAINT??? COPY 01 NOHOLD???? ?
Ready; T=0.01/0.04 14:49:39??????????????????? ?
ipl 00c??????????????????????????????????????? ?
VM/370 FORMAT/ALLOCATE PROGRAM RELEASE 6?????? ?
ENTER FORMAT OR ALLOCATE:????????????????????? ?
f????????????????????????????????????????????? ?
FORMAT FUNCTION SELECTED?????????????????????? ?
ENTER DEVICE ADDRESS (CUU):??????????????????? ?
240????????????????????????????????????????????
ENTER DEVICE TYPE:???????????????????????????? ?
3350?????????????????????????????????????????? ?
ENTER START CYLINDER (XXX OR XXXX) OR "LABEL": ?
label????????????????????????????????????????? ?
ENTER DEVICE LABEL:??????????????????????????? ?
newvol???????????????????????????????????????? ?
LABEL IS NOW NEWVOL??????????????????????????? ?
ENTER FORMAT OR ALLOCATE:??????????????????????

Rinse and repeat for each volume, one at a time.? Just make the desired DASD available to your userid and quickly (but carefully!) go through the process.

Regards,
Bob
Re: DDR to different VOLSER

 

On Sat, Jan 27, 2024 at 10:16 Daniel L. Srebnick via <dan=[email protected]> wrote:
I beleve that I have to somehow IPL off that deck, but it seems like I also need to add a control card describing what I want to do.

In CMS, create a text file containing the control cards (e.g., RELABEL CARDS A).? Then:

CP SPOOL PUNCH CONT TO *
PUNCH IPL FMT S (NOH
PUNCH RELABEL CARDS A (NOH
CP SPOOL PRT TO *
CP SPOOL CON START TO *
CP IPL 00C?
Re: DDR to different VOLSER

 

Tony -- time for me to learn the "right way" I think.

I found DMKFMT TEXT...let's say I want to relabel VM50-1 at cuu 701 to VU50-1.? I beleve that I have to somehow IPL off that deck, but it seems like I also need to add a control card describing what I want to do.? I've attempted to find an example to no avail, perhaps you or someone else here might provide one?
Re: DDR to different VOLSER

 

Tony, I took a look at FORMAT with LABEL...I'm trying to duplicate and rename physical DASD, specifically the 8 packs that are the core of VM/CE 1.2.? These are VM50-1 through VM50-8.

The goal is to have an exact copy but rename the VOLSERs VU50-1 through VU50-8.? However, since these are not virtual minidisks, FORMAT with LABEL won't work for this situation.? I suppose I could convert them to mindisks, but am trying to avoid that for the moment.

Thank you for the suggestion.
Re: DDR to different VOLSER

 

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You don¡¯t need clip on VM. The provided Format/Allocate program allows you to change the label.

Dave

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Joe Monk
Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2024 2:08 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [h390-vm] DDR to different VOLSER

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File 846

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Joe

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On Fri, Jan 26, 2024 at 8:07?PM Joe Monk via <joemonk64=[email protected]> wrote:

CLIP is your friend.

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Joe

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On Fri, Jan 26, 2024 at 7:56?PM Matthew T. Kromer <zerohero0h@...> wrote:

Don¡¯t you have to skip Track 0?? The VOLSER should be on track 0 record 0.

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On Jan 26, 2024, at 8:17?PM, Daniel L. Srebnick via <dan=[email protected]> wrote:

?I want to duplicate some DASD but change the VOLSER to avoid conflicts.

I've tried various permutations of DDR going from DASD to DASD as well as DASD to TAPE to DASD and cannot seem to accomplish my objective.? I always end up with the backup copy overwriting the VOLSER on the target to the original contents.

What am I missing?

Re: DDR to different VOLSER

 

On Fri, 26 Jan 2024 at 21:48, Daniel L. Srebnick via <dan=[email protected]> wrote:
How does one process an XMI file on VM/CMS (as opposed to MVS)?

Perhaps easiest is by first un-XMITing it on Windows or UNIX using one of the programs at ? or .

On "modern" (i.e. VM/SP and above from 1981 or so) CMS there is native support for the XMIT format. I would guess that something like that has been put into VM/CE, but I haven't used that VM so am not sure. (I *think* you're using VM/CE here...)

But in any case... As far as I can see the CLIP in CBT file 846 runs on z/OS (or maybe older MVS) only.

Another choice is to use the standalone (IPLable) editor at .
ZZSA has many other uses. It's "free as in free beer", i.e. not open source, and is also a bit fiddly to install. I'm not sure if there is a 370Arch version.

There is also IBM's ICKDSF, which is much more modern than VM/370, and IIRC was a no-fee program product that runs on pretty much all IBM OSs. It's around somewhere, but I'm not sure where. Someone will tell you.

And finally the "right" way is that VM/370 has a native program DMKFMT to change a volser and do other related stuff. Note that it's not a CMS command. It's described in the VM/370 Service Programs chapter of the VM/370 Operators Guide.The VM/370 version of DMKFMT is a standalone IPLable card deck/image that you IPL in (typically) a virtual machine or (less often in the real world, but commonly enough on Hercules) a "real" machine.

You want to use the FORMAT command with the LABEL option. Unfortunately the FORMAT command can also format a disk, so read up on the syntax carefully, and make 200% sure you are labelling the right disk!

Tony H.
Re: DDR to different VOLSER

 

How does one process an XMI file on VM/CMS (as opposed to MVS)?
Re: DDR to different VOLSER

 

File 846



Joe

On Fri, Jan 26, 2024 at 8:07?PM Joe Monk via <joemonk64=[email protected]> wrote:
CLIP is your friend.

Joe

On Fri, Jan 26, 2024 at 7:56?PM Matthew T. Kromer <zerohero0h@...> wrote:
Don¡¯t you have to skip Track 0?? The VOLSER should be on track 0 record 0.


On Jan 26, 2024, at 8:17?PM, Daniel L. Srebnick via <dan=[email protected]> wrote:

?I want to duplicate some DASD but change the VOLSER to avoid conflicts.

I've tried various permutations of DDR going from DASD to DASD as well as DASD to TAPE to DASD and cannot seem to accomplish my objective.? I always end up with the backup copy overwriting the VOLSER on the target to the original contents.

What am I missing?

Re: DDR to different VOLSER

 

CLIP is your friend.

Joe

On Fri, Jan 26, 2024 at 7:56?PM Matthew T. Kromer <zerohero0h@...> wrote:
Don¡¯t you have to skip Track 0?? The VOLSER should be on track 0 record 0.


On Jan 26, 2024, at 8:17?PM, Daniel L. Srebnick via <dan=[email protected]> wrote:

?I want to duplicate some DASD but change the VOLSER to avoid conflicts.

I've tried various permutations of DDR going from DASD to DASD as well as DASD to TAPE to DASD and cannot seem to accomplish my objective.? I always end up with the backup copy overwriting the VOLSER on the target to the original contents.

What am I missing?

Re: DDR to different VOLSER

 

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Don¡¯t you have to skip Track 0? ?The VOLSER should be on track 0 record 0.


On Jan 26, 2024, at 8:17?PM, Daniel L. Srebnick via groups.io <dan@...> wrote:

?I want to duplicate some DASD but change the VOLSER to avoid conflicts.

I've tried various permutations of DDR going from DASD to DASD as well as DASD to TAPE to DASD and cannot seem to accomplish my objective.? I always end up with the backup copy overwriting the VOLSER on the target to the original contents.

What am I missing?

DDR to different VOLSER

 

I want to duplicate some DASD but change the VOLSER to avoid conflicts.

I've tried various permutations of DDR going from DASD to DASD as well as DASD to TAPE to DASD and cannot seem to accomplish my objective.? I always end up with the backup copy overwriting the VOLSER on the target to the original contents.

What am I missing?
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Hello!
Everything is good here. Thanks Dave.
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-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Dave Wade
Sent: Friday, January 26, 2024 10:55 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [h390-vm] Reverification after Blacklist

Folks,

I can see we have thee types of users in this group.
One type have received a re-verification message from groups.io and replied, to these I say Thank You.

One type, the ones I am targeting here, have received the message and not replied.
If they continue to ignore this message they will be removed from all their groups by groups.io and their fully qualified domains blacklisted.
They are all personal domains, or personal sub-domains of a larger domain, so the chances are no one else will notice.
This action has been forced by an e-mail from groups.io being received in a honeypot mailbox.

Oh and to the vast majority, who use say gmail.com, outlook.com or yahoo.com and who have not received the notice, just go back to sleep. Sorry I woke you.

Dave
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