Wednesday lunch at the Hangar!!
Rain or shine it¡¯s lunch on Wednesday at Mark¡¯s and Alex¡¯s Hangar! If we have to issue rubber duckies and/or water wings we¡¯ll be there.?
P.S. the night before is the EAA meeting where Steve Murray will be going through the resurrection of his RV-10 following the flood in September.?
Both events will be entertaining and worthy of the pleasure of your company. Bring your own food for lunch on Wednesday. There may be some extras - there usually are.?
El Capitan - Conquistador del Cielo and janitor
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Deep dive into this mornings earthquake.
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Re: [8NC9-Johnson-Field] Maule arriving today
Great news! Beautiful airplane. Mike
On Saturday, May 10, 2025 at 04:16:25 PM EDT, Alex Nelon via groups.io <alex.nelon@...> wrote:
Whittaker arrived in his Maule today and it¡¯s safely tucked away in Hangar 5 with Bill Kemper close alongside.
Welcome home, Whittaker . . .
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Whittaker Warrington is bringing his airplane at last! ETA this evening if all goes as planned. I¡¯d like to have a reception for him. He has been loyally paying his rent since last summer in anticipation of having his airplane but delay after delay at his restoration shop in California kept it from happening.?
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[8NC9-Johnson-Field] Maule arriving today
Whittaker arrived in his Maule today and it¡¯s safely tucked away in Hangar 5 with Bill Kemper close alongside.
Welcome home, Whittaker . . .
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Whittaker Warrington is bringing his airplane at last! ETA this evening if all goes as planned. I¡¯d like to have a reception for him. He has been loyally paying his rent since last summer in anticipation of having his airplane but delay after delay at his restoration shop in California kept it from happening.?
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On Sat, May 10, 2025 at 10:14?AM Dennis Carlson via <dennis.carlson.atgs= [email protected]> wrote:
Rattled my house in Arden at 0902.? Thought I was back in WA.
Dennis
On Sat, May 10, 2025 at 9:19?AM Timothy Higgins via <timothyahiggins= [email protected]> wrote: Did anyone feel the earthquake?
Lasted a few seconds here in Saluda.
Take care,
Tim H.
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Mornin' Tim,
All,
YES!
Felt clearly in Horse Shoe as well. 4.1 at center per USGS, (attached screenshots).
On Sat, May 10, 2025, 10:14 AM Dennis Carlson via <dennis.carlson.atgs= [email protected]> wrote: Rattled my house in Arden at 0902.? Thought I was back in WA.
Dennis
On Sat, May 10, 2025 at 9:19?AM Timothy Higgins via <timothyahiggins= [email protected]> wrote: Did anyone feel the earthquake?
Lasted a few seconds here in Saluda.
Take care,
Tim H.
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Rattled my house in Arden at 0902.? Thought I was back in WA.
Dennis
On Sat, May 10, 2025 at 9:19?AM Timothy Higgins via <timothyahiggins= [email protected]> wrote: Did anyone feel the earthquake?
Lasted a few seconds here in Saluda.
Take care,
Tim H.
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Did anyone feel the earthquake?
Lasted a few seconds here in Saluda.
Take care,
Tim H.
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Re: [Eaa1016] Maule arriving today
Whittaker ran into some delays enroute. He¡¯ll be at least another day, weather coming in too.?
More on the ETA as I receive it.? Whittaker Warrington is bringing his airplane at last! ETA this evening if all goes as planned. I¡¯d like to have a reception for him. He has been loyally paying his rent since last summer in anticipation of having his airplane but delay after delay at his restoration shop in California kept it from happening.?
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Re: Rudder Malfunction Suspected In Fatal Cessna 310 Crash - AVweb
One of them must have been built upside down.
JM the elevators on an F4 are like an inverted Bonanza. Sorta. On Fri, May 9, 2025 at 10:25 Jerry Marstall via <jerrylm1986= [email protected]> wrote: I was taught that the elevator makes the plane turn. Jm
The report says: Initial examination of the wreckage revealed that the rudder cables failed due to tension overload, and the rudder trim was set to a significant left input.?
I can identify with that. In my case and in this case the airplane was not trimmed properly prior to takeoff. Apparently, the pilot (in both cases) did not recognize the out of trim condition prior to the flight.?
What bothers me about the 310 mishap is the aircraft never climbed more than a few hundred feet. There is no indication the elevator was affected. Altitude can be your friend, giving you time to sort out the problem. Differential power can help a lot, too, in a case like this.
On Fri, May 9, 2025 at 09:23 David Erickson via <Davidgerickson66= [email protected]> wrote: Certainly an ugly way for three souls to depart the pattern and planet!
For some potentially offensive Monday morning quarterbacking:
I thought bank angle -- not the rudder -- makes an aircraft turn?
"Air traffic control audio captured a pilot reporting an issue with the rudder, stating they were only able to make left turns."
Shouldn't you be able to develop "dead feet" in this situation and split the power a bit between those Continental IO-470/520s to do what you need to, even if the rudder was locked/completely inoperative for some reason?
On Fri, May 9, 2025, 8:17 AM Timothy Higgins via <timothyahiggins= [email protected]> wrote: Another post-maintenance failure?!...
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Re: Rudder Malfunction Suspected In Fatal Cessna 310 Crash - AVweb
This 'Flying Brick''s tail looks like it needs a hug!
Funny!
JM the elevators on an F4 are like an inverted Bonanza. Sorta. On Fri, May 9, 2025 at 10:25 Jerry Marstall via <jerrylm1986= [email protected]> wrote: I was taught that the elevator makes the plane turn. Jm
The report says: Initial examination of the wreckage revealed that the rudder cables failed due to tension overload, and the rudder trim was set to a significant left input.?
I can identify with that. In my case and in this case the airplane was not trimmed properly prior to takeoff. Apparently, the pilot (in both cases) did not recognize the out of trim condition prior to the flight.?
What bothers me about the 310 mishap is the aircraft never climbed more than a few hundred feet. There is no indication the elevator was affected. Altitude can be your friend, giving you time to sort out the problem. Differential power can help a lot, too, in a case like this.
On Fri, May 9, 2025 at 09:23 David Erickson via <Davidgerickson66= [email protected]> wrote: Certainly an ugly way for three souls to depart the pattern and planet!
For some potentially offensive Monday morning quarterbacking:
I thought bank angle -- not the rudder -- makes an aircraft turn?
"Air traffic control audio captured a pilot reporting an issue with the rudder, stating they were only able to make left turns."
Shouldn't you be able to develop "dead feet" in this situation and split the power a bit between those Continental IO-470/520s to do what you need to, even if the rudder was locked/completely inoperative for some reason?
On Fri, May 9, 2025, 8:17 AM Timothy Higgins via <timothyahiggins= [email protected]> wrote: Another post-maintenance failure?!...
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Re: Rudder Malfunction Suspected In Fatal Cessna 310 Crash - AVweb
JM the elevators on an F4 are like an inverted Bonanza. Sorta.
On Fri, May 9, 2025 at 10:25 Jerry Marstall via <jerrylm1986= [email protected]> wrote: I was taught that the elevator makes the plane turn. Jm
The report says: Initial examination of the wreckage revealed that the rudder cables failed due to tension overload, and the rudder trim was set to a significant left input.?
I can identify with that. In my case and in this case the airplane was not trimmed properly prior to takeoff. Apparently, the pilot (in both cases) did not recognize the out of trim condition prior to the flight.?
What bothers me about the 310 mishap is the aircraft never climbed more than a few hundred feet. There is no indication the elevator was affected. Altitude can be your friend, giving you time to sort out the problem. Differential power can help a lot, too, in a case like this.
On Fri, May 9, 2025 at 09:23 David Erickson via <Davidgerickson66= [email protected]> wrote: Certainly an ugly way for three souls to depart the pattern and planet!
For some potentially offensive Monday morning quarterbacking:
I thought bank angle -- not the rudder -- makes an aircraft turn?
"Air traffic control audio captured a pilot reporting an issue with the rudder, stating they were only able to make left turns."
Shouldn't you be able to develop "dead feet" in this situation and split the power a bit between those Continental IO-470/520s to do what you need to, even if the rudder was locked/completely inoperative for some reason?
On Fri, May 9, 2025, 8:17 AM Timothy Higgins via <timothyahiggins= [email protected]> wrote: Another post-maintenance failure?!...
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Re: Rudder Malfunction Suspected In Fatal Cessna 310 Crash - AVweb
I was taught that the elevator makes the plane turn. Jm
The report says: Initial examination of the wreckage revealed that the rudder cables failed due to tension overload, and the rudder trim was set to a significant left input.?
I can identify with that. In my case and in this case the airplane was not trimmed properly prior to takeoff. Apparently, the pilot (in both cases) did not recognize the out of trim condition prior to the flight.?
What bothers me about the 310 mishap is the aircraft never climbed more than a few hundred feet. There is no indication the elevator was affected. Altitude can be your friend, giving you time to sort out the problem. Differential power can help a lot, too, in a case like this.
On Fri, May 9, 2025 at 09:23 David Erickson via <Davidgerickson66= [email protected]> wrote: Certainly an ugly way for three souls to depart the pattern and planet!
For some potentially offensive Monday morning quarterbacking:
I thought bank angle -- not the rudder -- makes an aircraft turn?
"Air traffic control audio captured a pilot reporting an issue with the rudder, stating they were only able to make left turns."
Shouldn't you be able to develop "dead feet" in this situation and split the power a bit between those Continental IO-470/520s to do what you need to, even if the rudder was locked/completely inoperative for some reason?
On Fri, May 9, 2025, 8:17 AM Timothy Higgins via <timothyahiggins= [email protected]> wrote: Another post-maintenance failure?!...
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Re: Rudder Malfunction Suspected In Fatal Cessna 310 Crash - AVweb
The report says: Initial examination of the wreckage revealed that the rudder cables failed due to tension overload, and the rudder trim was set to a significant left input.?
I can identify with that. In my case and in this case the airplane was not trimmed properly prior to takeoff. Apparently, the pilot (in both cases) did not recognize the out of trim condition prior to the flight.?
What bothers me about the 310 mishap is the aircraft never climbed more than a few hundred feet. There is no indication the elevator was affected. Altitude can be your friend, giving you time to sort out the problem. Differential power can help a lot, too, in a case like this.
On Fri, May 9, 2025 at 09:23 David Erickson via <Davidgerickson66= [email protected]> wrote: Certainly an ugly way for three souls to depart the pattern and planet!
For some potentially offensive Monday morning quarterbacking:
I thought bank angle -- not the rudder -- makes an aircraft turn?
"Air traffic control audio captured a pilot reporting an issue with the rudder, stating they were only able to make left turns."
Shouldn't you be able to develop "dead feet" in this situation and split the power a bit between those Continental IO-470/520s to do what you need to, even if the rudder was locked/completely inoperative for some reason?
On Fri, May 9, 2025, 8:17 AM Timothy Higgins via <timothyahiggins= [email protected]> wrote: Another post-maintenance failure?!...
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Re: Rudder Malfunction Suspected In Fatal Cessna 310 Crash - AVweb
They tried.? Pretty ugly.
On Fri, May 9, 2025, 9:23?AM David Erickson via <Davidgerickson66= [email protected]> wrote: Certainly an ugly way for three souls to depart the pattern and planet!
For some potentially offensive Monday morning quarterbacking:
I thought bank angle -- not the rudder -- makes an aircraft turn?
"Air traffic control audio captured a pilot reporting an issue with the rudder, stating they were only able to make left turns."
Shouldn't you be able to develop "dead feet" in this situation and split the power a bit between those Continental IO-470/520s to do what you need to, even if the rudder was locked/completely inoperative for some reason?
On Fri, May 9, 2025, 8:17 AM Timothy Higgins via <timothyahiggins= [email protected]> wrote: Another post-maintenance failure?!...
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Re: Rudder Malfunction Suspected In Fatal Cessna 310 Crash - AVweb
Certainly an ugly way for three souls to depart the pattern and planet!
For some potentially offensive Monday morning quarterbacking:
I thought bank angle -- not the rudder -- makes an aircraft turn?
"Air traffic control audio captured a pilot reporting an issue with the rudder, stating they were only able to make left turns."
Shouldn't you be able to develop "dead feet" in this situation and split the power a bit between those Continental IO-470/520s to do what you need to, even if the rudder was locked/completely inoperative for some reason?
On Fri, May 9, 2025, 8:17 AM Timothy Higgins via <timothyahiggins= [email protected]> wrote: Another post-maintenance failure?!...
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Re: [Eaa1016] Maule arriving today
More on the ETA as I receive it.?
Whittaker Warrington is bringing his airplane at last! ETA this evening if all goes as planned. I¡¯d like to have a reception for him. He has been loyally paying his rent since last summer in anticipation of having his airplane but delay after delay at his restoration shop in California kept it from happening.?
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Whittaker Warrington is bringing his airplane at last! ETA this evening if all goes as planned. I¡¯d like to have a reception for him. He has been loyally paying his rent since last summer in anticipation of having his airplane but delay after delay at his restoration shop in California kept it from happening.?
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Rudder Malfunction Suspected In Fatal Cessna 310 Crash - AVweb
Another post-maintenance failure?!...
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Alex Nelon
Timothy Higgins
