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Re: Suggestions for mounting stepper Z
#MODS
Here we are on the banjo end:
Now I am looking for suggestions on how to mount the motor. This end seems friendlier to utilize I just need ideas for mounting the motor. Obviously I could add a pulley to the leadscrew. Mounting the motor on the bench top would work. I'd like to see mounting the motor on that 2" x 4" flat space to the left of the leadscrew. Everything I have pictured kinda hangs out there, not very firm or pretty. I do have some 3x5 angle iron I could trim the 3" down. Ralph -- Clausing 8520, Craftsman 12x36 Lathe, 4x12 mini lathe, 14" Delta drill press, 40 watt laser, Consew brushless DC motors and a non working 3D printer |
Stepper size for small dividing head?
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Hi,
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I¡¯m finishing up one copied digital project (Arduino-controlled lathe motor speed controller) and am nearly ready to wire up on another (wood lathe RELS), and have an extra, cheap Nano copy in hand.
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I¡¯d like to start collecting the parts needed to add a stepper drive to my small geared dividing head and wondered what motors that would be adequate for the purpose.
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My dividing head is a home made 40:1 unit with about 3¡± swing. The way I use it it would be easiest to mount a stepper on a kind of banjo, with a belt drive which gives options for more torque at the cost of speed. Motor weight will be an issue in any case.
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Would a 100oz-in NEMA 17 be enough? It does have a spindle brake.
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Re: Suggestions for mounting stepper Z
#MODS
Actually now that you mention it I remember that is what it's called. My south bend gear box and gear assembly probably has one but I've never had to do anything there since the gear change levers do most everything except metric threads. And for those I use my ELS.
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Re: Suggestions for mounting stepper Z
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Richard
If the term "banjo" is new to you, I have always known the pivoting
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slotted arm that the change wheels are mounted to as the "banjo". It may be a simple slotted pivoting bar or more but that is the item I suggest mounting the stepper to. Richard On 03/02/2020 00:05, Richard wrote:
Basically yes. Replace the gear on the end of your leadscrew (or if you |
Re: Suggestions for mounting stepper Z
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Richard
Basically yes. Replace the gear on the end of your leadscrew (or if you
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have one gearbox) with a timing belt pulley. Mount the stepper on the banjo and drive the screw. On my machine I drive 2:1. 3Nm stepper 3mm pitch screw. Richard On 02/02/2020 20:36, Ralph Hulslander wrote:
Richard, I do not understand?what you are saying, are you referring?to |
Re: Suggestions for mounting stepper Z
#MODS
Banjo?
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Re: Suggestions for mounting stepper Z
#MODS
Richard, I do not understand?what you are saying, are you referring?to the gear box banjo? Just replacing a drive gear with a stepper motor? Ralph On Sun, Feb 2, 2020 at 3:30 PM Richard <edelec@...> wrote: I still question why the banjo is not an option --
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Re: Suggestions for mounting stepper Z
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Richard
I still question why the banjo is not an option
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Richard On 02/02/2020 17:05, John Dammeyer wrote:
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Re: Suggestions for mounting stepper Z
#MODS
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýHi Charlie, ? Nice job on yours. ? Ralph's initial problem is finding a vertical surface on which to mount the motor that allow the motor shaft to be perfectly in line with the lead screw.? Hence the suggestion for belt drive which could be 1:1 and then alignment isn't as hard. John ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of CLevinski
Sent: February-02-20 6:58 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [digitalhobbyist] Suggestions for mounting stepper Z #MODS ? Ralph, LAW OF ANNOYANCE: When working on a project, if you put away a tool that you¡¯re certain you¡¯re finished with, you will need it instantly. |
Re: Suggestions for mounting stepper Z
#MODS
Thanks Charlie and John, now of course I am "thinking" about the bench top and "thinking" it would be a interesting project to build a concrete bench top. Hopefully I can contain myself and get my lathe back to working this year. Ralph On Sun, Feb 2, 2020 at 9:58 AM CLevinski <clevinski@...> wrote: Ralph, --
Clausing 8520, Craftsman 12x36 Lathe, 4x12 mini lathe, 14" Delta drill press, 40 watt laser, Consew brushless DC motors and a non working 3D printer |
Re: Finally finished assembly...
#RELS
Hello, All,
I had some issues with my wiring of the control box and am sorting them out. Hope to be operational very soon. I will update here when it's working. -- Regards, Charlie New Jersey, USA LAW OF ANNOYANCE: When working on a project, if you put away a tool that you¡¯re certain you¡¯re finished with, you will need it instantly. |
Re: Suggestions for mounting stepper Z
#MODS
Ralph,
Of course, it all depends upon how much torque you need, but I direct-mounted mine on my 7 x 14 mini-lathe. -- Regards, Charlie New Jersey, USA LAW OF ANNOYANCE: When working on a project, if you put away a tool that you¡¯re certain you¡¯re finished with, you will need it instantly. |
Re: Suggestions for mounting stepper Z
#MODS
I am "thinking about building up the bench top. At least 3/4" if not 1-1/2". I do not know how thick/heavy the current bench top is possible 3/4". I grabbed the 72" cabinet from Lowes as a close out sale, they no longer stock the same cabinet. I see other 72" cabinets with 25mm bench tops if so probably one 3/4" mdf layer would do. On Sat, Feb 1, 2020 at 8:21 PM John Dammeyer <johnd@...> wrote:
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Re: Suggestions for mounting stepper Z
#MODS
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýWith respect to your lathe I'd make 3 mounting posts.? Say about 1" long.? You will put them on the end casting in a rough triangle arrangement.? You could use a counter bore to reference the holes in the casting to make a flat surface for each post.? Then a of square perpendicular to the ways and then the second ?parallel to the bed surface pressing against the first with the square hanging down. Then draw a vertical line on each post.? ? Theoretically you should now have a vertical plane perpendicular to the ways maybe 3/4" out from the end of the lathe. ? ? Now take the three stand offs and use your lathe to cut them to length.? Or maybe make a shouldered length and turn a thread on the end. ?Lots of options here.? Once they are all in place bolt a plate to this.? Depending on where it sits etc. you could just bolt the motot to this with slots for tension adjustment. Or ad a tension idler.? Or a plate with the motor that pivots for tension adjustment. ? Lots of methods. ? Or just bolt the lathe to a table top and then mount the motor to the top too. John ? ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ralph Hulslander
Sent: February-01-20 4:37 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [digitalhobbyist] Suggestions for mounting stepper Z #MODS ? At the moment my lathe is not fastened to the bench top, to use a off mounted motor the lathe would have to be fastened down to the bench top. ? Ralph ? On Sat, Feb 1, 2020 at 7:33 PM Ralph Hulslander via Groups.Io <rhulslander=[email protected]> wrote:
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Re: Suggestions for mounting stepper Z
#MODS
At the moment my lathe is not fastened to the bench top, to use a off mounted motor the lathe would have to be fastened down to the bench top. Ralph On Sat, Feb 1, 2020 at 7:33 PM Ralph Hulslander via Groups.Io <rhulslander=[email protected]> wrote:
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Re: Suggestions for mounting stepper Z
#MODS
Thanks John, that is what I am looking for. No issues with mounting the motor off the lathe? I need to get a 3/4"-8 ACME bushing or pulley, don't know if right hand or left hand thread at the moment. Ralph On Sat, Feb 1, 2020 at 5:41 PM John Dammeyer <johnd@...> wrote:
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Clausing 8520, Craftsman 12x36 Lathe, 4x12 mini lathe, 14" Delta drill press, 40 watt laser, Consew brushless DC motors and a non working 3D printer |
Re: Suggestions for mounting stepper Z
#MODS
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýYou have to look at the torque requirements of your system and then decide.? Even pulleys with 1:1 do allow easier mounting but the costs are higher.? ? I milled an adaptor that fit on the lead screw shaft and had a hex head so I could use a torque wrench to see what was required to move the carriage from a stopped state.? Static friction is higher than dynamic.? Once I had that number I figured that the 300 oz-in motor at about 700 RPM would still have enough torque to move the carriage at 300 RPM.? ? Or just clamp something onto the leadscrew with an arm that is 12" long and set it horizontal.? Then add weights at the 12" point until it starts to turn.? That's your minimum torquein 12" x ounces ?required to just move it slowly.? The cutting load I don't know how to calculate. ? But look at the motor curves to determine at what RPM your torque drops to a point where the motor will lock up and then add a 50% safety factor.? Or so. ? John ? ? ? ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ralph Hulslander
Sent: February-01-20 1:46 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [digitalhobbyist] Suggestions for mounting stepper Z #MODS ? I was wondering about speed reduction from using pulleys. ? Would mounting direct to lead screw work? Might take some ugly mounting jig. ? Ralph ? On Sat, Feb 1, 2020 at 4:23 PM John Dammeyer <johnd@...> wrote:
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Re: Suggestions for mounting stepper Z
#MODS
Richard
Depends on your leadscrew pitch and the size of your stepper and the
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size of the machine. Which machine are you putting it on? I would suggest you put the banjo back on the lathe and take a look at that end. This gives you a mount area for the stepper and an existing spindle on which to mount a pulley Richard On 01/02/2020 21:45, Ralph Hulslander wrote:
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Re: Suggestions for mounting stepper Z
#MODS
I was wondering about speed reduction from using pulleys. Would mounting direct to lead screw work? Might take some ugly mounting jig. Ralph On Sat, Feb 1, 2020 at 4:23 PM John Dammeyer <johnd@...> wrote:
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Clausing 8520, Craftsman 12x36 Lathe, 4x12 mini lathe, 14" Delta drill press, 40 watt laser, Consew brushless DC motors and a non working 3D printer |