Regarding 2017 FL36
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Hi Mira-Ao, It's almost certain that 2017 FL36 was active in 2017. This is my current list of items in the asteroid file which are too bright to be inactive and yet only observed on a single opposition, so you can infer that they were likely active during their one apparition. There are a few others that have been removed from this list when they were moved to the comet orbits list. The first 6 of them I'm more or less certain of. The last 3 are simply suspected as being active, and there's some small chance that they are ordinary and have simply been missed due to bad luck for the surveys in recovering them. Also, given the clear activity of 2017 FL36 in the Subaru images, it removes all doubt for me. It's a formality though that makes sense—MPC needs a second report of activity and without that it remains on the PCCP even though it's certainly an active asteroid. I also don't fully understand what the policy is regarding single-opposition active asteroids and whether they always move them to the comet orbits file or sometimes prefer to leave them in the asteroids orbit file since the orbit is asteroidal. Designation Rating TJ 2008 BJ22 0.99999726 3.198039543 2001 BV70 0.99999726 2.947403141 2019 OE31 0.9999883 3.006167013 2015 BC566 0.99998224 3.199087267 2017 FL36 0.99980015 3.221096601 2021 AY8 0.9997931 3.348862983 2015 MR207 0.9986854 3.237052317 2015 BA553 0.9982122 3.134370005 2002 CW116 0.9981375 3.319114684
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Asteroids relabelled as comets
Four new comets (asteroids relabelled as...) in MPECs H86, H87, H88 and H90: H86: P/2017 FL36 (PANSTARRS) -- single apparition in 2017, P=5.01 years, next perihelion in August 2025. Note that it was observed when it was closer to aphelion (~January 2018) than perihelion (June 2015, July 2020), that makes it a strange case. H87: P/2009 KF37 (unnamed) -- observed in 2001, 2009, every year between 2014 and 2017, and now 2025; P = 8.34 years H88: C/2012 KA51 (unnamed) -- quasi-parabolic, single apparition in 2012 H90: P/2010 KG43 = P/2010 PT8 (unnamed) -- observed in 2010 and 2023; P = 13.2 years Adrien
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P/2010 LH155
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Hi all, MPEC 2025-H69 has just announced P/2010 LH155, a Jupiter-family comet whose current observations are its third observed opposition. It looks like this object was inactive in 2010 and 2018, and has only been active at the current opposition. It makes me wonder if it's an actual comet, or an object that had an outburst for some reason (rotational breakup, collision, ...). It has regular close approaches with Jupiter (1940, 1998, 2023, 2058, 2117, 2141, 2176, 2200), but the only recent one was at 0.95 au in 2023, and it slightly shortened its perihelion but not dramatically, so it is unlikely to be the trigger of this cometary activity. Orbital parameters at perihelion: Epoch=Tp / a (au) / e / i (°) / q (au) 2010-02-18 / 3.88 / 0.38 / 8.3 / 2.39 2017-09-30 / 3.87 / 0.39 / 8.3 / 2.37 2025-04-09 / 3.74 / 0.51 / 8.8 / 2.22
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Comet C/2025 F2 (SWAN) in the bright Moonlight
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The Moon was 94% illuminated on the morning of 2025 April 15 UT, Comet C/2025 F2 (SWAN) was magnitude G=9.4 as calculated from 6x20 second images thru a green filter in an aperture diameter of 3.5'. The coma was 3' wide, the wavy tail in the image FOV was 53' long at a position angle of 309 degrees from the coma. The comet has been quiet the past week, with a brightness staying around magnitude 8.9 to magnitude 9.4, but the comet certainly does have a nice thin wavy tail that extends about twice as long as shown in this set of images.
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C/2025 F2 (SWAN) from June Lake, CA
Thanks for sharing the link, Dan, and congrats on making APoD! Very nice shot from June Lake when the comet was looking a lot healthier than it is now! --Rob
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SWAN disintegration: statistically expectable or not?
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Hi all, Statistical question: given that this (non-sungrazing) comet seems to not be new (barycentric orbital period in the 30~80 thousand years at epoch 1900), i.e. its disintegration could supposingly have happened at any other approach before or after the current one, is this seeming disintegration at this specific approach a statistically unexpectable event (i.e. expectable lifetime / number of known similarly-long-period comets >> orbital period), or is it statistically not unlikely (i.e. expectable lifetime / number... << orbital period) -- and even more, unlikely or not to happen within "modern astronomy" (i.e. expectable lifetime / number... >> or << centuries)? Thank you in advance for your help. Adrien
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回复: [comets-ml] Comet C/2025 F2 (SWAN) > 2025.04.20
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Danilo: You can try cropping the high-resolution image of the local region near the comet. hua.su suhuasky@... ------------------ 原始邮件 ------------------ 发件人: "comets-ml" <BigBangObservatory@...>; 发送时间: 2025年4月20日(星期天) 下午3:45 收件人: "comets-ml"<[email protected]>; 主题: Re: [comets-ml] Comet C/2025 F2 (SWAN) > 2025.04.20 Sorry, but the photos posted in the list are rescaled to a maximum of 1024 pixels? I tried with the last image (1920 pixels) and it was reduced to 1024pixels Il giorno dom 20 apr 2025 alle ore 09:37 Danilo Pivato via groups.io <BigBangObservatory@...> ha scritto: > > Hi, I'm attaching the image again with higher resolution > > Best, > > Danilo > > > > >
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Comet C/2023 Lemmon H5 on 4/19/25
Comet C/2023 Lemmon H5, April 19 starting at 11:00 pm MST (06:00 UT 4/20/25), 10" f/3.9 Newtonian Astrograph, LRGB = 1h, Atik16200 CCD, Payson,AZ I put a blow up of the central image in this frame because this comet is so tiny! Clear Skies, Chris Schur Schur's Web Portal: http://www.schursastrophotography.com
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Comet C/2025 F2 (SWAN) > 2025.04.20
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Attached is a photo of comet C/2025 (SWAN) dated 2025.04.20 captured just over 7° from the horizon Happy Easter! Danilo Pivato
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C/2025 F2 (SWAN)
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Hi All. Just now was released CBET 5538 and SWAN25F = C/2025 F2 (SWAN)! My congratulations to Michael and Robert! Great job guys! I am also grateful to each and everyone who took part in this case - I proud that I can be a part of so good and so powerful astro-community. Also many thanks to Daniel Green and to CBAT and MPC staff. Vladimir.
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SWAN discoverers
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Hi Michael and Vladimir, I actually have Michael at 11 SWAN comets (or 12 if you count 58P which Michael spotted in SWAN in April 2020) C/2004 H6, C/2004 V13, P/2005 P3, C/2005 T4, C/2006 M4, C/2015 C2, C/2015 F3, C/2015 P3 , C/2020 F8, C/2021 D1 and C/2025 F2. If my records are correct, I have Vladimir with 7 SWAN comets (some shared with Michael and/or me): P/2005 P3, C/2011 Q4, C/2012 E2, C/2015 C2, C/2015 F3, C/2023 A2, and C/2025 F2 My count is at 9 (many of which also shared with Michael and/or Vladimir), though as Michael pointed out one of these (C/2012 V4) turned out to be the recovery of D/1827 M1 = 273P Pons-Gambart, and another P/2018 HT3 was linked to an asteroid. --Rob From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Michael Mattiazzo via groups.io Sent: Friday, April 11, 2025 3:57 PM To: [email protected] Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [comets-ml] C/2025 F2 (SWAN) + coordinate conversion check Thanks Vladimir. I’m sure Rob has also found quite a few over the years, including some non SWAN named ones such as 273P Pons-Gambart and P/2018 HT_3 The recovery of 58P was also a SWAN find. cheers, Michael From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Vladimir Bezugly via groups.io Sent: Friday, 11 April 2025 6:02 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [comets-ml] C/2025 F2 (SWAN) + coordinate conversion check Hi Michael. If I correctly understood this - we all should to congratulate you with a TEN comet that you discovered in the SWAN data! So my congratulations to you with this milestone! Vladimir.
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SWAN constellation map + RA/DEC calculating
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Good afternoon, everyone. How do I obtain map of constellation in SWAN, STEREO images? I've seen these several times but I don't know how to get them And also calculating approximate right ascension and declination. (also from SWAN) Regards,
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C/2025 F2 (SWAN) Eruption
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For those who have wondered why the comet has been so hard to observe the past few mornings, it is because the comet has faded a magnitude since reaching its brightest point several days ago. Now that the MPC has finally recognized SWAN25F one can use Astrometrica to more precisely determine the comets magnitudes since April 3. I attempted to make all comparisons as equal as possible, with the one exception that on April 3 when the comet was fainter and moving a little slower relative to Earth 18x10 second images were used for the magnitude calculations rather than 12x10 second images for the other 3 mornings. All images were taken thru a green filter, same altitude before morning twilight, no satellite streaks, same aperture diameter of 3.5' for all calculations and all in very clear sky conditions. What the results show is that sometime between April 3 and April 6 the comet had a major eruption, which increased its brightness by a factor of 4 to magnitude 8.4 from magnitude 10.0, since then the comet has evidently returned to a normal material ejection rate and has faded a factor of 2 times to stabilize at around magnitude 9.3 the past few mornings, which has it following the expected magnitude predictions if it is only to brighten to magnitude 4 or 5 by perihelion on May 1. From the images one can see the difference in the coma and tail from the 4 mornings with everything being as equal as possible. Cheers, Mike.
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Another attempt at C/2025 F2 (SWAN)
Hello, This image was taken this morning 12 Apr 2025, only 10° above the horizon with almost full Moon and near twilight. Best regards, Geert Vandenbulcke Belgium
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C/2025 F2 (SWAN) + coordinate conversion check
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Thanks Vladimir and Sam for adding me to the Wiki page for C/2025 F2. ? I’ve been spending some time looking at UV stars in SWAN background imagery to confirm there wasn’t some systematic error in my conversion from raw SWAN (X,Y) coordinates to ecliptic coordinates to RA/Dec. I measured 28 stars distributed across the field of view to see if there was some sort of systematic bias – there isn’t (or at least the errors are within the coordinate centroid uncertainty). So as we’ve always assumed, the main source of error with SWAN positions is not knowing the time each cell is actually scanned. Even if someone at ESA knows the step-stare scan pattern that SWAN follows (and surely someone did at some point), I’m not sure that would tell us everything we need to know. For instance, the scan pattern may not always start at the same UT time each day; all we know is that the pair of periscope-like instruments can each complete their respective hemispheres of 900 or so step stares within 24 hours. --Rob
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C/2025 F2 (SWAN)!
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Dear Vladimir and Michael Mattiazzo: I am *relieved* that CBAT 5538 provides the missing timeline and important details of all the independent discovery work carried out by not only the three of us in measuring the comet’s very coarse astrometry in SWAN, but the essential confirmation attempts undertaken by a small army of ground-based observers cued by our ephemerides. I was a bit crestfallen by the short shrift given in MPEC 2025-G102 to the importance of the discovery observations and measured astrometry by Vladimir, Michael and myself. (After 12+ manhours of back-and-forth with MPC by Bill Gray and myself, we were finally able to get SWAN astrometry accepted by MPC.) SWAN comet finders all know going in that we have no naming rights – that the comet will get a SWAN name designation, just as SOHO and STEREO comets are named after those respective spacecraft/instruments. Brian Marsden (R.I.P.) understood and appreciated the contributions of “citizen scientists,” and so he was supportive of at least publicly crediting these discovery efforts. I thought perhaps that MPEC 2025-G102 would follow the precedent of 2023-D49 which provided clear credit to Vladimir for the discovery of C/2023 A2 (SWAN) in its opening paragraph: https://minorplanetcenter.net/mpec/K23/K23D49.html This was the first time ever that SWAN astrometry actually appeared in an MPEC. But, alas, none of those discovery details were given in MPEC 2025-G102: https://minorplanetcenter.net/mpec/K25/K25GA2.html No mention of Vladimir, and indeed there would have been no mention of Michael Mattiazzo in the MPEC if not for his iTelescope follow up observations using U94. The 249 astrometry reported happens to be mine (due to the somewhat excruciating efforts of Bill Gray and myself mentioned above), but I should think Michael’s or Vladimir’s would have been equally valid (though perhaps missing the SWAN instrument details), and their astrometry was reported to CBAT up to two days prior to mine. The bottom line is that we need a better reporting and acknowledgment system. Comets first found in SWAN data are quite rare – now just 21 of them since 1997 – and at least a couple of those discoveries reverted to prior designations (e.g. P/2018 HT3). The SWAN experts who do this work (are there even a dozen of us alive?) have surely earned some recognition for their hundreds if not thousands of hours’ work per actual comet discovery. --Rob From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Vladimir Bezugly via groups.io Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2025 5:53 PM To: [email protected] Subject: EXTERNAL: [comets-ml] C/2025 F2 (SWAN) Hi All. Just now was released CBET 5538 and SWAN25F = C/2025 F2 (SWAN)! My congratulations to Michael and Robert! Great job guys! I am also grateful to each and everyone who took part in this case - I proud that I can be a part of so good and so powerful astro-community. Also many thanks to Daniel Green and to CBAT and MPC staff. Vladimir.
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Comet Swan25F this morning, 4/8/25
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Comet Swan25F From Arizona. January 8 starting at 11:00 UT (4am MST) 8" f/2 RASA, 22 x 1m stack, ASI2600MC OCS camera, Payson, AZ Very low in north east just before twilight, moon set just as comet rose, so this is last chance for an morning moonless shot. Fire smoke low where comet was dimmed it a bit, but as it rose it brightened up a bit. Marginal sighting visually with an 80mm guidescope and eyepiece. Clear Skies, Chris Schur Schur's Web Portal: http://www.schursastrophotography.com
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RIP Svetlana Gerasimenko
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Dear all, I've just learned the sad news that Svetlana Gerasimenko passed away. https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1CTgAtLTfx/ Adrien Coffinet
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Newly named comets
Hi all, If you didn't check the WGSBN website, just to inform you that the WGSBN has assigned names to three comets that were up to now unnamed: - C/2015 K7 (COIAS) - P/2023 S1 (PANSTARRS) - 471P/LINEAR-Lemmon Adrien
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SWAN25F
Hello, I managed to take an image of this comet, I had just enough time between the comet clearing the observatory wall and start of twilight. Details are in the image. NET UCAC-4 SWAN25F C2025 04 07.13830 23 37 18.37 +25 24 09.4 9.7 R L12 SWAN25F C2025 04 07.14199 23 37 19.61 +25 24 20.9 9.3 R L12 SWAN25F C2025 04 07.14610 23 37 21.75 +25 24 42.3 9.3 R L12 SWAN25F C2025 04 07.15045 23 37 24.70 +25 25 03.8 9.3 R L12 Best regards, Geert Vandenbulcke Belgium
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