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C/2025 F2 (SWAN)!


 

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Dear Vladimir and Michael Mattiazzo: I am *relieved* that CBAT 5538 provides the missing timeline and important details of all the independent discovery work carried out by not only the three of us in measuring the comet¡¯s very coarse astrometry in SWAN, but the essential confirmation attempts undertaken by a small army of ground-based observers cued by our ephemerides.

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I was a bit crestfallen by the short shrift given in MPEC 2025-G102 to the importance of the discovery observations and measured astrometry by Vladimir, Michael and myself. (After 12+ manhours of back-and-forth with MPC by Bill Gray and myself, we were finally able to get SWAN astrometry accepted by MPC.) ?SWAN comet finders all know going in that we have no naming rights ¨C that the comet will get a SWAN name designation, just as SOHO and STEREO comets are named after those respective spacecraft/instruments. Brian Marsden (R.I.P.) understood and appreciated the contributions of ¡°citizen scientists,¡± and so he was supportive of at least publicly crediting these discovery efforts.

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I thought perhaps that MPEC 2025-G102 would follow the precedent of 2023-D49 which provided clear credit to Vladimir for the discovery of C/2023 A2 (SWAN) in its opening paragraph:

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This was the first time ever that SWAN astrometry actually appeared in an MPEC. But, alas, none of those discovery details were given in MPEC 2025-G102:

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No mention of Vladimir, and indeed there would have been no mention of Michael Mattiazzo in the MPEC if not for his iTelescope follow up observations using U94. The 249 astrometry reported happens to be mine (due to the somewhat excruciating efforts of Bill Gray and myself mentioned above), but I should think Michael¡¯s or Vladimir¡¯s would have been equally valid (though perhaps missing the SWAN instrument details), and their astrometry was reported to CBAT up to two days prior to mine.

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The bottom line is that we need a better reporting and acknowledgment system. Comets first found in SWAN data are quite rare ¨C now just 21 of them since 1997 ¨C and at least a couple of those discoveries reverted to prior designations (e.g. P/2018 HT3). The SWAN experts who do this work (are there even a dozen of us alive?) have surely earned some recognition for their hundreds if not thousands of hours¡¯ work per actual comet discovery.? --Rob

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Vladimir Bezugly via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2025 5:53 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: EXTERNAL: [comets-ml] C/2025 F2 (SWAN)

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Hi All.

Just now was released CBET 5538 and SWAN25F = C/2025 F2 (SWAN)!

My congratulations to Michael and Robert! Great job guys!?

I am also grateful to each and everyone who took part in this case - I proud that I can be a part of so good and so powerful astro-community. Also many thanks to Daniel Green and to CBAT and MPC staff.

Vladimir.


 

This comet should not be named after SWAN, it should be named after those who truly discovered it just like what happens in some other comet discoveries associated with taxpayer funded observatories sometimes.? No one associated with the SOHO (SWAN) spacecraft made this discovery, amateurs did and amateurs did all the work to finally get the MPC to recognize the new comet. The good old boy network at its worst. The MPC is not what it used to be, it has simply become a government funded organization which gets around to doing things at their convenience. Hopefully some of the news media outlets will tell the true story of what happen and give the proper recognition to all of the amateur astronomers who made this discovery, provided data and made the calculations to get this new comet recognized by the MPC. Comet C/2025 F2 (Amateur Astronomers) !


 

The comet received the normal name every SWAN comet receives, and this consistently with the comet naming guidelines, more specifically Guideline 3.4(b): see? . This is the same rule as for the SOHO comets and so on.

Adrien


Le jeu. 10 avr. 2025, 02:07, Mike Olason via <molason=[email protected]> a ¨¦crit?:
This comet should not be named after SWAN, it should be named after those who truly discovered it just like what happens in some other comet discoveries associated with taxpayer funded observatories sometimes.? No one associated with the SOHO (SWAN) spacecraft made this discovery, amateurs did and amateurs did all the work to finally get the MPC to recognize the new comet. The good old boy network at its worst. The MPC is not what it used to be, it has simply become a government funded organization which gets around to doing things at their convenience. Hopefully some of the news media outlets will tell the true story of what happen and give the proper recognition to all of the amateur astronomers who made this discovery, provided data and made the calculations to get this new comet recognized by the MPC. Comet C/2025 F2 (Amateur Astronomers) !