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Re: The 2303 (NYMX Refrigerator)...

 

George wrote:

Interesting that after being apparently unseen (at least to your
humble list-owner), there seem to be 2303b variations coming out of
the woodwork. As you may know, I picked up a copy on that Internet
Auction Community last week and it's been added to the A1G
Accumulation. (Thanks to those who didn't "compete" for it.) And a
second one sold last night as well. Counting the one Edward acquired
that's three in the last month or so... after I hadn't seen any for
who knows how long.
Yup, I saw that you had bid on the one that ended on the 19th so I stayed out
of it. Then there was one that sold on the 25th and I bid on it but got
sniped. I got the one from last night. I was surprised because I just put in my
maximum and wasn't even there at auction's end.

So, I guess that makes it four 2303Bs recently then?

Or is it that I simply wasn't looking... ?!?
Could be, I wasn't either! Hey, maybe these guys monitor the list!

Doug

--Your list-owner


More A1Gs on that internet auction community

umtrr
 

The seller "alana-rose" just put up on eBay some group lots of A1Gs
including the large cars... 94 foot tankers, auto racks, hi-cube box
and stock cars. Listed as MIB and with boxes according to the pics.
Low opening bids in groups but $7.50 shipping (yikes). You could
search on "Atlas Set" or the seller name and the listings should come
up.

In case anyone's interested, no affiliation, yada yada.

--Your list-owner


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George Irwin
 

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Re: A1G #2303b for sale on ebay #2303b

Edward Bridges
 

Here is the complete link to this elusive car for those who want to
see it and bid:


ViewItem&item=3141761607&category=486

Sorry for the mispost earlier.

Edward Bridges
Granger, TX


A1G #2303b for sale on ebay #2303b

Edward Bridges
 

Folks, I found anohter 2303b for sale on ebay. It looks to be in
pretty good shape. I already have one so will leave this one for
others to attempt to get.

Link to the item is:

=486

I hope someone here wins this car. I am keeping my eye out for more
of them.

Edward Bridges


Re: My A1G car list......

Edward Bridges
 

Hey Edward, do you have an extra 2303b? hehe:>)
I wish I had some extras of that car. I could make a little money.

Will be looking for more of them down here in Texas. The 2303b I
won on ebay came from California.

All but two cars in my accumulation came from won auctions on ebay.
All 18 of the locomotives came from won auctions as well (all but
one still in its original box!).

I don't have a lot of duplicate cars as of yet. I have only been
buying these cars since the end of May.

Edward Bridges
Unofficial Historian of the Crab Orchard & Egyptian Railroad
Former CO&E Employee: 1986-1987
Modeling the CO&E in N Scale: 1978-1982
Co-author of ongoing book project: The Crab Orchard & Egyptian
Railroad: 30 Years of Shortline Railroading in Southern Illinois:
1973-2003
Owner of two Yahoo groups:

on

Accumulator of Atlas First Generation equipment
Member of AustNtrak, Austin, TX
Granger, TX (formerly of Marion, IL)


Re: My A1G car list......

Edward Bridges
 

Please place a listing here of the duplicate cars that you would
be interested in selling before going to e-bay?

I will post a listing here of what I have for sale. I only buy from
ebay, I don't sell. I don't see the point of paying a third party
just to sell something.

I have a few freight cars as well as passenger cars and a couple of
locomotives I will post for sale once the pile gets large enough to
warrant moving.

Edward Bridges
AustNtrak member: Austin, TX
Granger, TX


Re: My A1G car list......

 

Edward wrote:

I will post a listing here of what I have for sale. I only buy from
ebay, I don't sell. I don't see the point of paying a third party
just to sell something.

I have a few freight cars as well as passenger cars and a couple of
locomotives I will post for sale once the pile gets large enough to
warrant moving.

Edward Bridges
AustNtrak member: Austin, TX
Granger, TX

Hey Edward, do you have an extra 2303b? hehe:>)

Doug


Re: My A1G car list......

Rick Will
 

Nice collection of A1G cars you got their Edward. On the A1G passenger cars, Please place a listing here of the duplicate cars that you would be interested in selling before going to e-bay?
Rrick


From: "Edward Bridges" <edward_bridges@...>
Reply-To: a1g@...
To: a1g@...
Subject: [a1g] Re: My A1G car list......
Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 22:42:43 -0000

I thought I would post my growing list of A1G freight equipment. My
accumulation is as follows: (This list grows weekly)

item #/ roadname/condition

2202 PRR MIB
2205 WM no box/step missing
2234 SSW MIB
2245 CB&Q IB/step missing
2251 MKT MIB
2252 NYC MIB
2253b AT&SF MIB
2261 GULF excellent/no box
2262 FRONTIER excellent/no box
2264a GENERAL AMERICAN MIB
2274 TRANSFER red car good/no box
2286 PRR IB/step missing
2287a IC MIB
2293 MOBIL MIB
2297 UNION STARCH MIB
2302a SAFEWAY MIB
2303a NYC IB/step missing
2303b NYC MIB
2311 Jack Frost excellent/no box
2312 BAKELITE MIB
2313 MILW excellent/no box
2314 CB&Q excellent/no box
2321 SHIPPERS CAR LINE MIB
2323b GULF MIB
2331 PRR MIB
2332 L&N excellent/no box
2341 CN MIB
2342 N&W excellent/no box/load
2347 SUBURBAN MIB
2348 WARREN MIB
2352 AT&SF MIB
2363 PRR MIB
2364 SEABOARD body only
2368 MUNCIE & WESTERN excellent/no box
2374 READING MIB (with stakes intact!!)
2383 NH MIB (This was the car that got me started with this)
2394 MILLER body only
2397 MORRELL body only
2402b UP MIB
2416 C&O MIB
2417 SP good/step missing/no box
2418 CN good/no box
2422 M&STL in box/no blue insert
2424 EL body only no steps/trucks/box
2430 CNW MIB
3022 C&O MIB
3032 US NAVY MIB
3104 PC in box/missing three autos
3121 NP MIB

This is everything I have on hand. I am attempting to accumulate
all of them in boxes (don't know why, just figured it was the way to
do it). I have a mess of old Atlas passenger cars coming I recently
won from a few auctions (all but one still in its box and some are
duplicates, I will eventually sell the dupes).

Just thought I would give you an idea of what I have. I have about
18 old Atlas engines (mostly A1G and a few A2G) as well.

Edward Bridges
AustNtrak member: Austin, TX
Granger, TX



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Re: My A1G car list......

Edward Bridges
 

I thought I would post my growing list of A1G freight equipment. My
accumulation is as follows: (This list grows weekly)

item #/ roadname/condition

2202 PRR MIB
2205 WM no box/step missing
2234 SSW MIB
2245 CB&Q IB/step missing
2251 MKT MIB
2252 NYC MIB
2253b AT&SF MIB
2261 GULF excellent/no box
2262 FRONTIER excellent/no box
2264a GENERAL AMERICAN MIB
2274 TRANSFER red car good/no box
2286 PRR IB/step missing
2287a IC MIB
2293 MOBIL MIB
2297 UNION STARCH MIB
2302a SAFEWAY MIB
2303a NYC IB/step missing
2303b NYC MIB
2311 Jack Frost excellent/no box
2312 BAKELITE MIB
2313 MILW excellent/no box
2314 CB&Q excellent/no box
2321 SHIPPERS CAR LINE MIB
2323b GULF MIB
2331 PRR MIB
2332 L&N excellent/no box
2341 CN MIB
2342 N&W excellent/no box/load
2347 SUBURBAN MIB
2348 WARREN MIB
2352 AT&SF MIB
2363 PRR MIB
2364 SEABOARD body only
2368 MUNCIE & WESTERN excellent/no box
2374 READING MIB (with stakes intact!!)
2383 NH MIB (This was the car that got me started with this)
2394 MILLER body only
2397 MORRELL body only
2402b UP MIB
2416 C&O MIB
2417 SP good/step missing/no box
2418 CN good/no box
2422 M&STL in box/no blue insert
2424 EL body only no steps/trucks/box
2430 CNW MIB
3022 C&O MIB
3032 US NAVY MIB
3104 PC in box/missing three autos
3121 NP MIB

This is everything I have on hand. I am attempting to accumulate
all of them in boxes (don't know why, just figured it was the way to
do it). I have a mess of old Atlas passenger cars coming I recently
won from a few auctions (all but one still in its box and some are
duplicates, I will eventually sell the dupes).

Just thought I would give you an idea of what I have. I have about
18 old Atlas engines (mostly A1G and a few A2G) as well.

Edward Bridges
AustNtrak member: Austin, TX
Granger, TX


Re: Question about A1G #2260 series tank cars

George Irwin
 

At 09:43 PM 7/31/2003 +0000, Edward Bridges wrote:
I was wondering about something I have noticed about some of the
single dome chemical tank cars.

I own cars #2261 (Gulf), #2262 (Frontier) and #2264a (General
American). The only mechanical difference between the three I have
is that #2261 (Gulf) has different ladders thant he other two. The
other two cars have a ladder with railings above the simulated
running board on the side of the tank car while the Gulf car doesn't
have the railings, it only has a ladder.

Is this the way all the #2261 cars originally came or is it a
variation? My 2261 looks just like the one shown on George Irwin's
web site.
Edward and all... it is my suspicion that the various 2260s interchangably came with either of the ladders, either the full with the handrails or the short without the handrails. For example, I've seen the General American with both. But I don't (yet at least) have any concrete evidence of this.

Cheers,
George


Question about A1G #2260 series tank cars

Edward Bridges
 

I was wondering about something I have noticed about some of the
single dome chemical tank cars.

I own cars #2261 (Gulf), #2262 (Frontier) and #2264a (General
American). The only mechanical difference between the three I have
is that #2261 (Gulf) has different ladders thant he other two. The
other two cars have a ladder with railings above the simulated
running board on the side of the tank car while the Gulf car doesn't
have the railings, it only has a ladder.

Is this the way all the #2261 cars originally came or is it a
variation? My 2261 looks just like the one shown on George Irwin's
web site.

Just curious. Any explanation would be appreciated.

Edward Bridges
AustNtrak, Austin, TX
Granger, TX


HEADS UP **94 foot tank cars on ebay**

Edward Bridges
 

I just looked at ebay and ALL FOUR of the 94 foot super tank cars
are listed for auction, all starting at $4.99. Too bad I have
curtailed my ebay buying because of some local swap meets coming up.

Maybe someone on this list can win them.

Thought the group would like to know.

Edward Bridges
Granger, TX


Re: Photos of 2303 variations posted

George Irwin
 

At 05:14 PM 7/27/2003 +0000, you wrote:
I have posted a picture of the two different variations of the 2303
NYC refrigerator car, car numbers 1000 and 1020 in the photos section.
I took several different pictures of both cars and will send some to
George Irwin shortly for potential use on the website.
And use them I have... world exclusive, folks... at least for now :-)

I have just finished putting up a new page on the A1G site with the three scans Edward has graciously provided. Just go to the A1G site via my homepage, and there's a new link right on the main page.

Many thanks to Edward for sharing and to everyone for keeping up the conversation.

Cheers,
George


Photos of 2303 variations posted

Edward Bridges
 

I have posted a picture of the two different variations of the 2303
NYC refrigerator car, car numbers 1000 and 1020 in the photos section.
I took several different pictures of both cars and will send some to
George Irwin shortly for potential use on the website.

I hope this helps show the differecnes in the two paint schemes.

Edward Bridges
Granger, TX


Re: Atlas #2303 variations

Edward Bridges
 

might have to start hanging out on eBay again.
That is where I got this odd car. Only paid about $2.50 for it
(MIB!!!) in a cluster of 5 cars ($12.00). I got the 1020 first,
then ended up with 1000 as a single car auction a few days later and
never noticed the difference until looking at George Irwin's site
the other night.

My 1000 has missing stirrups on one end of the car while 1020 is
mint condition.

I have bid on a LOT of old Atlas stuff on ebay...and won it lately.

Will post scans of both 1000 and 1020 as time permits and will send
george Irwin scans for the site.

Guess I found something worth looking for!

Edward Bridges
Unofficial Historian of the Crab Orchard & Egyptian Railroad
Former CO&E Employee: 1986-1987
Modeling the CO&E in N Scale: 1978-1982
Co-author of ongoing book project: The Crab Orchard & Egyptian
Railroad: 30 Years of Shortline Railroading in Southern Illinois:
1973-2003
Owner of two Yahoo groups:

on

Member of AustNtrak, Austin, TX
Granger, TX (formerly of Marion, IL)


Re: Atlas #2303 variations

 

Edward wrote:

might have to start hanging out on eBay again.
That is where I got this odd car. Only paid about $2.50 for it
(MIB!!!) in a cluster of 5 cars ($12.00). I got the 1020 first,
then ended up with 1000 as a single car auction a few days later and
never noticed the difference until looking at George Irwin's site
the other night.
EBay is where I got most of the ones I didn't get when I was a youngster.

My 1000 has missing stirrups on one end of the car while 1020 is
mint condition.
I have bid on a LOT of old Atlas stuff on ebay...and won it lately.
Do you snipe:>)?

Will post scans of both 1000 and 1020 as time permits and will send
george Irwin scans for the site.
Guess I found something worth looking for!
Yup, good to have all variations of a release. Like I said, I have an example
of each release but not necessarily all variations.

Another thing to watch out for is making sure the one you buy is an A1G and
not a later version. The only example I can think of, though, is the vinegar
tank cars. I know Atlas re-released these later and that the Heinz car was
slightly different. On the original, the "flat" part of the car is blue and has
more lettering on it than the later version which has brown and very little
lettering. I can't remember the exact lettering differences but the blue vs. brown
is the tip-off. As far as the other three cars in this group, I don't know if
there were any differences A1G vs. ater.

Doug

Edward Bridges
Unofficial Historian of the Crab Orchard & Egyptian Railroad
Former CO&E Employee: 1986-1987
Modeling the CO&E in N Scale: 1978-1982
Co-author of ongoing book project: The Crab Orchard & Egyptian
Railroad: 30 Years of Shortline Railroading in Southern Illinois:
1973-2003
Owner of two Yahoo groups:

on

Member of AustNtrak, Austin, TX
Granger, TX (formerly of Marion, IL)


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Re: Atlas #2303 variations

 

Edward wrote:

I have two very different versions of the #2303 New York Central
reefer. Both cars are yellow with a green stripe, white lettering
and silver roof and ends.

The differences are several. Both boxes are labeled differently.
Car 1000's box says N.Y.C. 50FT Mech. Reefer while car 1020 says New
York Cen. 50' Mechan. Reefer.

The cars themselves have variations. (warning, this can be
confusing!) The yellow carbody on car 1000 is a duller yellow than
car 1020. The green stripe on car 1000 is wider than the stripe on
car 1020. The lettering on car 1000 has the lettering to the left
of the door crowded together and lettering on the right spaced for
the ribs while car 1020 has spaced out lettering to the left of the
door (but not spaced for the ribs), lettering to the right is not
spaced at all for the ribs.

I will try to scan both of these cars and post them to the group
once I get the scanner rigged up again.

After reading what Mr. Irwin has on his website about this car, I
found both cars and compared them and found differences and figured
most here would like to know.

Edward Bridges
Granger, TX

Yes this is very interesting. I would like to see a scan of the 1020 car
because I have never been able to find one. I only have the version which appears
on George's site. The box for mine, however, has the lettering the same as
for your 1020 car.

Another car that has interesting variations is the #2333 U.P. double door
boxcar.
I have versions A (thin black lettering) and C (thin blue lettering with
additional reporting marks) but haven't been able to locate a version B (thin blue
lettering without additional reporting marks). The A car is the flatter
finish, B car satin. The red stripes in the U.P. shield on the A car are thicker
than on the B car, although that may just be a production variation. Also, the A
car has F 8-61 on the right side for a build? date and the B car has DMI-63.

I also don't have an A version (beigh) of the 2302 Safeway Foods car. Hmm,
might have to start hanging out on eBay again.

Doug


Re: Atlas #2303 variations

George Irwin
 

At 02:14 AM 7/26/2003 +0000, you wrote:
I have two very different versions of the #2303 New York Central
reefer. Both cars are yellow with a green stripe, white lettering
and silver roof and ends.

The differences are several. Both boxes are labeled differently.
Car 1000's box says N.Y.C. 50FT Mech. Reefer while car 1020 says New
York Cen. 50' Mechan. Reefer.
Edward and all, as you probably noted on the A1G site, Barry Wingard reported this number variation (but not the painting and lettering variations that Ed described) in his book "The Collector's Guide to N Scale." I hadn't listed the 1020 version on my site, frankly, because I'd never seen one. Since we now have evidence (and yes, I'd appreciate some small sized scans), I have changed the website listing. However, it'll be a while before I can update the photos. (I guess I'd better buy that scanner soon.) Meanwhile, Edward, I've given you a credit on the 2300 page discussing the paint and lettering variations.

Cheers,
George (your list owner)


Atlas #2303 variations

Edward Bridges
 

I have two very different versions of the #2303 New York Central
reefer. Both cars are yellow with a green stripe, white lettering
and silver roof and ends.

The differences are several. Both boxes are labeled differently.
Car 1000's box says N.Y.C. 50FT Mech. Reefer while car 1020 says New
York Cen. 50' Mechan. Reefer.

The cars themselves have variations. (warning, this can be
confusing!) The yellow carbody on car 1000 is a duller yellow than
car 1020. The green stripe on car 1000 is wider than the stripe on
car 1020. The lettering on car 1000 has the lettering to the left
of the door crowded together and lettering on the right spaced for
the ribs while car 1020 has spaced out lettering to the left of the
door (but not spaced for the ribs), lettering to the right is not
spaced at all for the ribs.

I will try to scan both of these cars and post them to the group
once I get the scanner rigged up again.

After reading what Mr. Irwin has on his website about this car, I
found both cars and compared them and found differences and figured
most here would like to know.

Edward Bridges
Granger, TX