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Surnames added this month: EGLIN HOPWOOD HOUSLEY If you would like to add your surname(s) to the list, please use the form at: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/YKSlist/submit.htm **PLEASE READ THE INSTRUCTIONS CAREFULLY REGARDING SUBMISSION OF NAMES BEFORE HITTING THE SUBMIT BUTTON Lin Duke List Administrator

Hi Andrew & Margaret, The farms you mentioned are actually situated in ‘Thorpe in Balne’, my family lived at ‘Spring Acre Farm’ from 1966 until around the mid 70’s, but we shortened the name of the property from ‘Springfields Farm’ to ‘Springfields’, current maps show the land to have been shortened somewhat, but when my family owned it, the land stretched all the way to the railway embankment, which was by then disused and repurposed as a ‘walk’, Sickle Cross Farm were our neighbours, (Nicholson family?), Prior to ‘Springfields Farm’, my parents were in the process of purchasing a property in either Braithwaite or Kirk Bramwith but the purchase fell through and Springfields Farm was purchased instead, unfortunately I can’t remember the name or exact location of the property although I can still see it in my ‘mind’s eye’, The whole area was a farming community and largely, if you didn’t own one, you were either related to the family or employed by one, ‘Springfields Farm’ was actually a bungalow with no outbuildings other than a dilapidated wooden garage, but we erected a large enclosed barn plus large chicken sheds, the property was recorded as a smallholding and my father ran a mobile shop serving the area, which included many farms until the family moved a short distance to a property in the hamlet of ‘Holme’, this was another smallholding but with a farming covenant, which my Father bought and made Freehold, I would say it wouldn’t be easy to get to Braithwaite or Kirk Bramwith from Thorpe in Balne because of the River Don and canal crossings necessary via Kirk Bramwith or Barnby Dunn, they were a pain in the 1960’s but maybe less so now just serving recreational barge traffic rather than commercial, the crossings were manual swing bridges when I lived there, so probably the same in the 1700’s, Many modern properties have sprung up in the general area since the 60’s which is now very much altered, I should think many have been built on old farmsteads or their land, but during my time there it was a very charming rural ‘olde worlde’ collection of farming hamlets, I used to spend hours as a teen tootling around them enjoying the peace and the scenery, but until I passed my driving test, I used to walk from Thorpe in Balne to Barnby Dunn and back for the bus to work, public transport was non-existent in rural areas, The roads were, and probably still are, very narrow and winding and often covered in mud from farm traffic, not a problem when cars were narrow like the Morris 1000 were typically in use, but today’s huge monsters, cars as well as tractors, I have no doubt will be causing issues, there were, and probably still are, many deep drainage dykes with steep sides on roadsides and none with any safety barriers, I lost acquaintances to one when the driver missed a bend and overturned their MBG into a full dyke, the sides of the dyke jammed the doors closed and trapped the occupants under water, they weren’t found until morning when a friend reported them missing, I almost met the same fate when the driver of the Bedford CA van I was travelling in started messing around and almost lost control, we hit the grass verge, but luckily for us didn’t skid into the dyke, we got away with it but the driver was well chastened and calmed down, we were all around 18 yoa at the time, but even nearly 60 years on, I remember that couple and treat roads with dykes with the greatest respect, so if you visit the area, please do take care, any dykes are very likely to be full at this time of year, and they’re deep!. Apologies to any who feel this is a bit of a ramble, but hopefully this will be of some use to you, if only for a bit of ‘ flesh on the bones’ of local knowledge, I left the area around 40 years ago and I now live on the East coast, but still have very fond memories of living in the area, I do have one or two photo’s of ‘Springfields Farm’ I could scan if they mean anything to you. Kind regards, John Woolsey

Just one surname added this month: GAVIN If you would like to add your surname(s) to the list, please use the form at: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/YKSlist/submit.htm **PLEASE READ THE INSTRUCTIONS CAREFULLY REGARDING SUBMISSION OF NAMES BEFORE HITTING THE SUBMIT BUTTON Lin Duke List Administrator

Hi everyone Dare I ask a question relating to Lincolnshire on a Yorkshire list?!! It is for the family tree of someone who now lives in Yorkshire... In 1847 the Alford Agricultural society awarded a prize to “The labourer in husbandry, of good character, who shall have brought up or is now bringing up by his own industry, the largest family without parochial relief (except in case of long illness or misfortune) and not having occupied more than one acre of land, regard being had to the number of children placed out, the first premium of ?3 went to Thomas Horton of Theddlethorpe, labourer to Mr Rd Mason having had 16 children, six placed out.” (I could only find 13 children) The family have seven children in the 1841 census (one boy had died and the oldest boy and girl would be teenagers so I assume working.) In the 1851 census the three oldest boys from 1841 are no longer at home (again assuming they are working) and there are three new children. Initially I thought placed out might refer to the children finding work to support the family but now I wonder if they were given to other families to be raised? Is that the more likely explanation? best wishes Jane Chasing W(h)eldrick/drake - which is a Yorkshire name - anywhere, anytime, any likely variation

The General Register Office (GRO) has extended the availability of digital images, so you can now get copies of death certificates from 1837 to 1957, as well as births from 1837 to 1922, for only ?2.50. Lin

Please add anyone you wish to remember to this thread which will be open until Remembrance Sunday. I will open it again next year. Lin

I've been looking at the baptism register for Kirkby Ravensworth around 1788. One entry intrigued me as the printed word 'Christened' had been crossed through and replaced with 'Bapt'. 06 Aug 1788 John son of John and Jane SHEFFIN [probably SHIPPEN]. "John Son of John SHEFFIN & Jane his wife of Newsham was Born Augt 4th 1788 and Bapt. Augt 6th 1788 Registered Augt 6th 1788 by me Robt. Scott Minister" I have looked at some of the pages on either side of this, and this would seem to be the only entry where it has happened. The incumbent changed earlier that year, but this hasn't made any difference. They had a daughter, Jane, who was 'christened' on the 07 Sep 1791. Could it mean that the family were non-conformist? Possibly Catholic? Rosemary

Hi Listers, I am looking for the birth of John BATTY b. 1814.In the 1861 census it says he was born in Lonsdale in Yorkshire. His wife Esther nee ELLIOTT b 1821 in Hatton Cheshire. I would like her birth details as well. Thanks, Maureen in Oz.

I updated the Yorkshire Surnames list today. The names added are given below: CHAPPELL FAWCETT STANGAS If you would like to add your surnames to the list, please use the form at: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/YKSlist/submit.htm **PLEASE READ THE INSTRUCTIONS CAREFULLY REGARDING SUBMISSION OF NAMES BEFORE HITTING THE SUBMIT BUTTON Lin Duke

Hi Listers, I have a problem which I would hope someone could direct me where to look. I have searched Ancestry (worldwide) and Find My Past. The following information is what I have, Joseph GORLEY b.1793 in Cockermouth married Marie LIEVESLEY b.1798 in Leeds. Married in St. Peter’s York in 1819. He was a Hatter. Then the next I have is they had James b. 10 Nov. 1822 in Quebec Sarah b. 29 July 1824 in Quebec Maria b. 28 March 1828 in Quebec They then must have come back to UK as they were all baptised in Bingley in 1929. Then John Lievesley was born in 1831 in Leeds In the census of 1841, 1851 They were all there including Mother Maria, but not the father. Also they say the above first three were born in Quebec. The father was listed in U.K. City and Counties Directory in 1834 as a Hatter. Next sighting was in U.S. Federal census in 1850, Essex New Jersey. Died in 1857 in Newark, New York. First son James married Frances Peace in York in 1844 and they had first three children in Leeds and then son Edward was b. in 1860 New Jersey John B. 1862 New Jersey and Maria b. 1864 in New Jersey. James died in New Jersey in 1873. Why cant I find any departures and arrivals from Uk to Quebec or back to U.K. ? Big puzzle. Maureen in Oz.

To all those wonderful members who replied to my query , a big thank you , Kindest regards to all , Derek Whitwam -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG antivirus software. www.avg.com

Hi . Can anyone tell me why only my name is " officially closed " whist all other members of the family are listed , and can this be reversed ?. Derek Whitwam -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG antivirus software. www.avg.com

Morning All. A friend was recently on Norfolk Island off the east coast of Australia and stumbled across a headstone in a cemetery for:- Thos Saulsbury WRIGHT. Native of Frodingham, Yorkshire Who died 7 Feb 1843 aged 105 Knowing my connection to Yorkshire she took a photo of it. I have WRIGHTs from Yorkshire but sadly he's not one of mine. After a quick Google search it would seem more likely that he was from North Frodingham as the "other" Frodingham is in Lincolnshire. If he belongs to anyone I can send the photo on to you. ttfn Trish ex Hull lass on central coast of NSW.

Hi Listers, I have found a Betty HAGUE buried in the Bradford Cathedral in March 1812. It says wife of William HAGUE (I think it says Sawyer for his occupation). What I would like to know, does that mean William was still alive then as it didnt say widow ? Thanks, Maureen in Oz.

I updated the Yorkshire Surnames list today. The names added are given below: FORGE GREENLEY HIZZETT KILBURN FARRER If you would like to add your surnames to the list, please use the form at: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/YKSlist/submit.htm **PLEASE READ THE INSTRUCTIONS CAREFULLY REGARDING SUBMISSION OF NAMES BEFORE HITTING THE SUBMIT BUTTON Lin Duke

Good morning all. Hope you are all well? I've often wondered if witness on various records back in the mid 1820's (ie Marriages) would be required to be 21 and over. I am struggling to find a baptism for one of my people and if I can narrow his date of birth down a bit it might help. So far census records haven't helped. ttfn Trish ex Hull lass on central coast of NSW.

Hello I am researching the WHITELEY Family from Rishworth Yorkshire. I want to find which of Eli & Betty WHITELEY's children were alive in the 1841/51 census. I have found Mary HOLROYD (nee WHITELEY) in the 1851 census but struggled fo find the 1841. However family search has a connected record to the 1851 census in Rishworth for 1841 at Halifax. I want to add the details to lost cousins website but the reference information on family search is missing the book no. I don't have a subscription to Findmypast to view the origin image and find the book no. Can someone help me with the book number reference please? Karen Other details for the record are Registration District Halifax Page Number 14 Piece/Folio 1303/26 Registration Number HO107

Emma WELLS was born 22 Feb 1867, Toxteth, Lancashire (daughter of Mark and Sarah Ann WELLS). She is with the family on 1871 census Hunslet, Yorkshire aged 4, born Liverpool and 1881 census Hunslet aged 14, born Liverpool. Then she disappeared. I had another look for her and found an Emma WELLS on 1891 census 11 Smith’s Yard, Gateshead aged 25, born Leeds, housekeeper for John CAMPBELL. With her is her two children John,2 and Margaret, 1m. With the Leeds connection I thought I would follow her and see where it led. John WELLS was born 1888 in Leeds son of Emma WELLS a tailoress and Margaret WELLS was born 1891, 11 Smith’s Yard, Gateshead, daughter of Emma WELLS. Emma is on 1901 census Newcastle-upon-Tyne, Northumberland. Head of the house is John Campbell WELLS, wife Emma C WELLS, 33 born Leeds, son John C WELLS, 12 born Leeds, daughter Margaret C WELLS, 10, born Newcastle and son Thomas C WELLS, 4, born Newcastle, I found a Lily Campbell WELLS born 1893 Gateshead daughter of Emma WELLS. Lily died 1894 and another Lily Campbell WELLS was born in 1895. This time her father is John Campbell WELLS and Emma WELLS formerly WILLIAMS. At this point I looked for an Emma WILLIAMS – WELLS marriage or John CAMPBELL and Emma WILLIAMS/WELLS marriage and haven’t found one. On to 1911 census Newcastle. John Campbell WELLS is head and Emma C WELLS his wife, 46, born Leeds. They have been married 25 years, 10 children born alive, 7 still living. John C Wells, son, u/m, 22, general labourer, worker, Leeds, Yorkshire Margaret C Wells, dau, 20, born Gateshead, Durham Thomas C Wells, son, 14, born Newcastle, Northumberland Walter C Wells, son, 9, born Newcastle, Northumberland Mark C Wells, son, 7, born Newcastle, Northumberland Archibald C Wells, 4, born Newcastle, Northumberland Phillip C Wells, son, 2, born Newcastle-upon-Tyne, Northumberland · No marriage record found · Emma is WELLS in 1888 and 1901 (children’s birth record) · Why is MMN WILLIAMS? · Why are they all now Campbell WELLS? 1921 census Gateshead: head John C WELLS, Emma C WELLS, now born Liverpool and children Walter C, Mark C, Archibald C, Philip C John Campbell WELLS died 1932. In 1939 Emma WELLS is living at 40 Kent Street. She is a widow and her date of birth is Feb 22, 1866 So is this ‘my’ Emma? Against: Mother’s maiden name for 7 of the children is WILLIAMS. For: 1. Date of birth; 1866 (correct month and day but a year out). 2. Names 3 children Walter, Mark and Lily. ‘My’ Emma’s father was Mark and 3 of her siblings were Mark, Walter and Lily 3. Place of birth in 1921 is now Liverpool What have I overlooked? LIn

Recently checking the 1939 records I have discovered that the I.D. cards issued are somehow connected to the records. My aunt still has hers and the I. D. KOLf then a number corresponding to the number in the household ie No 8. What does the KOL and f stand for. My guess is the f is female but unsure.