#2918

Hi Listers,

I am looking for the birth of John BATTY b. 1814.In the 1861 census it says he was born in Lonsdale in Yorkshire. His wife Esther nee ELLIOTT b 1821 in Hatton Cheshire.
I would like her birth details as well.

Thanks,
Maureen in Oz.

#2919

Hi,

Sorry my first post was wrong, so re-posting the right one,

I am looking for the birth of John BATTY b. 1814.In the 1861 census it says he was born in Lonsdale in Yorkshire. His wife Esther nee JOHNSON b 1821 in Hatton Cheshire.
I would like her birth details as well.

Thanks,
Maureen in Oz

#2920

Hi Maureen

There's a Burton in Lonsdale and a Thornton in Lonsdale about two and a half miles apart.

I couldn't see John in the census but found this:?

John Batty, son of William and Sarah baptised November 7 at Thornton in Lonsdale 1813

Nothing for searching John Batty to the exact place of Burton in Lonsdale.?

Nothing for Esther in Hatton nor a marriage to John Batty - do you have any more information on them which might help?

best wishes

Jane?

Chasing W(h)eldrick/drake - any variation, anywhere, anytime

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On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 at 05:07, Maureen Farrer <maureenfarrer71@...> wrote:

Hi Listers,

I am looking for the birth of John BATTY b. 1814.In the 1861 census it says he was born in Lonsdale in Yorkshire. His wife Esther nee ELLIOTT b 1821 in Hatton Cheshire.
I would like her birth details as well.

Thanks,
Maureen in Oz.

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Thanks Jane,

I have found a John Batty b.10 Oct. 1812 to William Batty and Elizabeth in Bentham.

So like I find when you are doing genealogy so many people with the same name.

Thanks,

Maureen

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On 2 Nov 2023, at 10:51?pm, JA Woodall <jane.woodall2016@...> wrote:

Hi Maureen

There's a Burton in Lonsdale and a Thornton in Lonsdale about two and a half miles apart.

I couldn't see John in the census but found this:?

John Batty, son of William and Sarah baptised November 7 at Thornton in Lonsdale 1813

Nothing for searching John Batty to the exact place of Burton in Lonsdale.?

Nothing for Esther in Hatton nor a marriage to John Batty - do you have any more information on them which might help?

best wishes

Jane?
Chasing W(h)eldrick/drake - any variation, anywhere, anytime

On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 at 05:07, Maureen Farrer <maureenfarrer71@...> wrote:
Hi Listers,

I am looking for the birth of John BATTY b. 1814.In the 1861 census it says he was born in Lonsdale in Yorkshire. His wife Esther nee ELLIOTT b 1821 in Hatton Cheshire.
I would like her birth details as well.

Thanks,
Maureen in Oz.

#2923

Hi Maureen

I found John in the following censuses with the following places of birth

1861 Burton in Lonsdale

1871 Lonsdale

1881 Burton

The entry that Jane found

"John Batty, son of William and Sarah baptised November 7 at Thornton in Lonsdale 1813"

gives an abode of Burton, which will be Burton in Lonsdale in the parish of?Thornton in Lonsdale

I think this is probably the John you’re looking for.

Best regards

Debbie

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On 2 Nov 2023, at 20:53, Maureen Farrer <maureenfarrer71@...> wrote:

Thanks Jane,

I have found a John Batty b.10 Oct. 1812 to William Batty and Elizabeth in Bentham.

So like I find when you are doing genealogy so many people with the same name.

Thanks,

Maureen

On 2 Nov 2023, at 10:51?pm, JA Woodall <jane.woodall2016@...> wrote:

Hi Maureen

There's a Burton in Lonsdale and a Thornton in Lonsdale about two and a half miles apart.

I couldn't see John in the census but found this:?

John Batty, son of William and Sarah baptised November 7 at Thornton in Lonsdale 1813

Nothing for searching John Batty to the exact place of Burton in Lonsdale.?

Nothing for Esther in Hatton nor a marriage to John Batty - do you have any more information on them which might help?

best wishes

Jane?

Chasing W(h)eldrick/drake - any variation, anywhere, anytime

On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 at 05:07, Maureen Farrer <maureenfarrer71@...> wrote:

Hi Listers,

I am looking for the birth of John BATTY b. 1814.In the 1861 census it says he was born in Lonsdale in Yorkshire. His wife Esther nee ELLIOTT b 1821 in Hatton Cheshire.
I would like her birth details as well.

Thanks,
Maureen in Oz.

#2924

Hi Maureen,

This could be your family.

Esther JOHNSON; Born 25 Jan 1822; Cheshire; Bapt 28 Apr 1822 in Warrington Cheshire, England; Father Peter; Mother Hannah


John BATTY; Born 10 Oct 1812; Bapt 22 Nov 1812 in Bentham, Yorkshire, England; Father William; Elizabeth


John BATTY and Esther JOHNSON Married 17 Mar 1838; Bistre, Flinstone, Wales
John BATTY, Warehouse Man; son of William BATTY, Mechanic
Esther JOHNSON daughter of Peter JOHNSON; Mechanic


Children of John BATTY and Esther JOHNSON from GRO BMD Index-

BATTY Robert 1839 Liverpool, Cheshire - 
BATTY Joseph Johnson 1841 West Derby -
BATTY Elizabeth Hannah 1844 West Derby
BATTY Sarah Ann 1846 Saint George Hanover Square
BATTY Emma Louisa 1848 Poplar Union
BATTY Esther 1851 Poplar Union
BATTY John William 1853 Poplar Union
BATTY William Peter 1855 Poplar Union
BATTY Alice Amy 1858 Poplar Union

1841 Census Phythian Street, Walton on the Hill, West Derby, Lancashire, England; Piece No: 520 Folio: 7 Page: 6

John Batty Male 25 1816 Warehouse Man Not Born in County
Esther BATTY Female 20 Not Born in County
Robert BATTY Male 1 Born in Lancashire, England

1851 Census Orchard Street, Bromley Middlesex, Poplar, London & Middlesex, England; Piece No: 1555 Folio 383 Page: 12

John BATLEY Male 37 1814 Machine Sawyer Born in Burton in Londsdale
Esther BATLEY Female 29 1822 Born in Hatton, Cheshire
Robert BATLEY Male 11 1840 Scholar Born in Liverpool, Lancashire
Joseph Johnson BATLEY Male 9 1842 Born in Liverpool, Lancashire
Elizabeth [H?] BATLEY Female 1845 Born in Liverpool, Lancashire
Sarah A BATLEY Female 1846 5 Born in Pimlico, Middlesex
Emma L BATLEY Female 1849 2 Born in Poplar, Middlesex
Esther BATLEY Female 1851 3 Mo Born in Poplar, Middlesex

I hope this helps,
Jen
Sydney AU

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On: 1/11/2023 Maureen Farrer wrote:
Subject: [yorksgen] BATTY

I am looking for the birth of John BATTY b. 1814.In the 1861 census it says he was born in Lonsdale in Yorkshire. His wife Esther nee JOHNSON b 1821 in Hatton Cheshire.
I would like her birth details as well.

#2925

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Hi Debbie,

Thanks,

I have also found?John BATTY; Born 10 Oct 1812; Bapt 22 Nov 1812 in Bentham, Yorkshire to

William and Elizabeth. I think Bentham is near Burton ?

Thats the trouble there are so many with same name. I once had two people living in the same

street in London with same name and same trade !!!

Maureen

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On 3 Nov 2023, at 11:40?am, Debbie Reddy via groups.io <dsr1845@...> wrote:

Hi Maureen

I found John in the following censuses with the following places of birth

1861 Burton in Lonsdale
1871 Lonsdale
1881 Burton

The entry that Jane found
"John Batty, son of William and Sarah baptised November 7 at Thornton in Lonsdale 1813"
gives an abode of Burton, which will be Burton in Lonsdale in the parish of?Thornton in Lonsdale

I think this is probably the John you’re looking for.

Best regards
Debbie

On 2 Nov 2023, at 20:53, Maureen Farrer <maureenfarrer71@...> wrote:

Thanks Jane,

I have found a John Batty b.10 Oct. 1812 to William Batty and Elizabeth in Bentham.
So like I find when you are doing genealogy so many people with the same name.

Thanks,
Maureen

On 2 Nov 2023, at 10:51?pm, JA Woodall <jane.woodall2016@...> wrote:

Hi Maureen

There's a Burton in Lonsdale and a Thornton in Lonsdale about two and a half miles apart.

I couldn't see John in the census but found this:?

John Batty, son of William and Sarah baptised November 7 at Thornton in Lonsdale 1813

Nothing for searching John Batty to the exact place of Burton in Lonsdale.?

Nothing for Esther in Hatton nor a marriage to John Batty - do you have any more information on them which might help?

best wishes

Jane?
Chasing W(h)eldrick/drake - any variation, anywhere, anytime

On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 at 05:07, Maureen Farrer <maureenfarrer71@...> wrote:
Hi Listers,

I am looking for the birth of John BATTY b. 1814.In the 1861 census it says he was born in Lonsdale in Yorkshire. His wife Esther nee ELLIOTT b 1821 in Hatton Cheshire.
I would like her birth details as well.

Thanks,
Maureen in Oz.

#2926

Hi Maureen,

Bentham is just south of Burton, and is a neighbouring parish just south over the fells/moors,

I notice that the parents of John BATTY; Born 10 Oct 1812; Bapt 22 Nov 1812 in Bentham are described as of Bentham in the register. ?

It would be worth investigating whether Bentham counts as Lonsdale. ?I know it is on the River Wenning which joins the Lune near Hornby, but isn’t usually referred to as Lonsdale

It’s aways difficult when the same names pop up in the same location & and the two parishes do share quite a long boundary.

Best regards

Debbie

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On 3 Nov 2023, at 05:27, Maureen Farrer <maureenfarrer71@...> wrote:

Hi Debbie,

Thanks,

I have also found?John BATTY; Born 10 Oct 1812; Bapt 22 Nov 1812 in Bentham, Yorkshire to
William and Elizabeth. I think Bentham is near Burton ?

Thats the trouble there are so many with same name. I once had two people living in the same
street in London with same name and same trade !!!

Maureen

On 3 Nov 2023, at 11:40?am, Debbie Reddy via groups.io <dsr1845@...> wrote:

Hi Maureen

I found John in the following censuses with the following places of birth

1861 Burton in Lonsdale
1871 Lonsdale
1881 Burton

The entry that Jane found
"John Batty, son of William and Sarah baptised November 7 at Thornton in Lonsdale 1813"
gives an abode of Burton, which will be Burton in Lonsdale in the parish of?Thornton in Lonsdale

I think this is probably the John you’re looking for.

Best regards
Debbie

On 2 Nov 2023, at 20:53, Maureen Farrer <maureenfarrer71@...> wrote:

Thanks Jane,

I have found a John Batty b.10 Oct. 1812 to William Batty and Elizabeth in Bentham.
So like I find when you are doing genealogy so many people with the same name.

Thanks,
Maureen

On 2 Nov 2023, at 10:51?pm, JA Woodall <jane.woodall2016@...> wrote:

Hi Maureen

There's a Burton in Lonsdale and a Thornton in Lonsdale about two and a half miles apart.

I couldn't see John in the census but found this:?

John Batty, son of William and Sarah baptised November 7 at Thornton in Lonsdale 1813

Nothing for searching John Batty to the exact place of Burton in Lonsdale.?

Nothing for Esther in Hatton nor a marriage to John Batty - do you have any more information on them which might help?

best wishes

Jane?
Chasing W(h)eldrick/drake - any variation, anywhere, anytime

On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 at 05:07, Maureen Farrer <maureenfarrer71@...> wrote:
Hi Listers,

I am looking for the birth of John BATTY b. 1814.In the 1861 census it says he was born in Lonsdale in Yorkshire. His wife Esther nee ELLIOTT b 1821 in Hatton Cheshire.
I would like her birth details as well.

Thanks,
Maureen in Oz.

#2927

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Thanks Debbie for your important information. I thought they were near each other. I am doing all my husbands family and he is from West Yorkshire, so havent had much to do with

the North.?

Also the names arent like today where there some very unusual names as years ago there werent many variations in names, i.e. John, James, William, David, etc?

I once found living in the same street, two men with the same Christian names, same surname and same occupation, but fortunately different age so I could find which one was mine.?

Regars,

Maureen in Oz.

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On 3 Nov 2023, at 11:39?pm, Debbie Reddy via groups.io <dsr1845@...> wrote:

Hi Maureen,

Bentham is just south of Burton, and is a neighbouring parish just south over the fells/moors,

I notice that the parents of John BATTY; Born 10 Oct 1812; Bapt 22 Nov 1812 in Bentham are described as of Bentham in the register. ?

It would be worth investigating whether Bentham counts as Lonsdale. ?I know it is on the River Wenning which joins the Lune near Hornby, but isn’t usually referred to as Lonsdale

It’s aways difficult when the same names pop up in the same location & and the two parishes do share quite a long boundary.

Best regards
Debbie

On 3 Nov 2023, at 05:27, Maureen Farrer <maureenfarrer71@...> wrote:

Hi Debbie,

Thanks,

I have also found?John BATTY; Born 10 Oct 1812; Bapt 22 Nov 1812 in Bentham, Yorkshire to
William and Elizabeth. I think Bentham is near Burton ?

Thats the trouble there are so many with same name. I once had two people living in the same
street in London with same name and same trade !!!

Maureen

On 3 Nov 2023, at 11:40?am, Debbie Reddy via groups.io <dsr1845@...> wrote:

Hi Maureen

I found John in the following censuses with the following places of birth

1861 Burton in Lonsdale
1871 Lonsdale
1881 Burton

The entry that Jane found
"John Batty, son of William and Sarah baptised November 7 at Thornton in Lonsdale 1813"
gives an abode of Burton, which will be Burton in Lonsdale in the parish of?Thornton in Lonsdale

I think this is probably the John you’re looking for.

Best regards
Debbie

On 2 Nov 2023, at 20:53, Maureen Farrer <maureenfarrer71@...> wrote:

Thanks Jane,

I have found a John Batty b.10 Oct. 1812 to William Batty and Elizabeth in Bentham.
So like I find when you are doing genealogy so many people with the same name.

Thanks,
Maureen

On 2 Nov 2023, at 10:51?pm, JA Woodall <jane.woodall2016@...> wrote:

Hi Maureen

There's a Burton in Lonsdale and a Thornton in Lonsdale about two and a half miles apart.

I couldn't see John in the census but found this:?

John Batty, son of William and Sarah baptised November 7 at Thornton in Lonsdale 1813

Nothing for searching John Batty to the exact place of Burton in Lonsdale.?

Nothing for Esther in Hatton nor a marriage to John Batty - do you have any more information on them which might help?

best wishes

Jane?
Chasing W(h)eldrick/drake - any variation, anywhere, anytime

On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 at 05:07, Maureen Farrer <maureenfarrer71@...> wrote:
Hi Listers,

I am looking for the birth of John BATTY b. 1814.In the 1861 census it says he was born in Lonsdale in Yorkshire. His wife Esther nee ELLIOTT b 1821 in Hatton Cheshire.
I would like her birth details as well.

Thanks,
Maureen in Oz.

#2928

Hi Maureen,
When you're not sure of the geography, I would suggest that you use the Genuki Yorkshire pages.? If you go to:

above and to the left of the England map you will see a link to "Where is it in Yorkshire". - take the link then look up Burton in Lonsdale - take the link to the parish that it is/was in.
At the top of the parish page is a map which you can manipulate (+ or -) and go full screen.? On that map you can see the relationship between the two places? you are interested in.
You might also like to download the map of Yorkshire that I drew many years ago - see under "Maps" on the above Genuki Yorkshire page.? This map contains all the places in the "Where is it in Yorkshire" page. Read the notes at the right hand side.

Best wishes,
Colin.