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Thank you Everyone......I cannot read French.?? I do not have a smartphone.? I have found his name and date of Death and birth......through France Insee Social Security Death Index...BUT even though I have found two Family Trees online, neither seem to be giving the same information as each other, or indeed matching the Social Security Death Index, .....? Both Trees are French of course, owners only speak French.? The Death Notice Anne, through the website you kindly gave me above, had his Name therein, but no Newspaper notice.? He was aged 92 yrs. at time of death in 2019, which matches the information I have, but not the Trees.
I am very thankful that my fellow researchers here have been so generous, when we are not talking about Yorkshire or our Yorkshire families.? I am trying to help a friend, at least we've found the Death details but unfortunately no further information about his parentage.
Cheers, Robyn C.
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Hi Robyn Peter is right.? You can find the departmental archives online and there are civil registration records online.? Just that someone who died in 2019 might not be over 100 years old which is where you could have problems
If you can reaD French, the archives does have a wep page with hints for doing family research:
If all you have is a name, a year and the fact that the death was in Toulon, a website like this might help you drive up a death notice.? At first glance, it looks like a very bare listing but where a newspaper is mentioned, you can click through to the actual notice in the paper, which might give you more clues about the family and at least shows the age.?
Not sure if you can search for births and marriages like this - more recent information might not be available there.
Hope this helps
Anne Harley
PS Sorry if this got sent twice - I seemed to lose it the first time and had to rewrite.
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Hi Robyn
I did family history research in France in the pre-internet days,
mostly in the Pas de Calais- visiting the archives. Haven't need
to do anything on-line...?
Might be worth investigating where you can get free access..? can
you get access to any academic institutions / libraries that might
have free access? Or short term free periods - such long weekends
or holiday weekends - like? French National day (July 14th) or
Belgian National day (July 2st) which might offer free French /
Flemish language access...
Good luck
Margaret
On 14/06/2023 23:57, Robyn Clarke via
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Please excuse my enquiry if you have seen it elsewhere.
I am still on the hunt and would appreciate any suggestions re
researching in France.
Would anyone on this List be familiar with French Family History
and know where to access 20th century BDMs in France online?
I am subscribed to Ancestry, FMP and Familysearch and have had
very limited success.? Geneanet was a suggestion, but one has to
subscribe to see their records, not just indexes and I cannot
afford to subscribe to another site.....
The person I am trying to find family of, died in 2019 in Toulon,
France.? His Social Security Death Index Notice was available
online for free, which I have, but nothing else it seems.
Any help would be very much appreciated.....
Cheers,
Robyn
Australia
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just a suggestion on the translation - if you have a smartphone with google translate you can choose french to english, tap the camera icon and hold the phone up to your screen to see translations of online documents in context. ‘automated’ translation like this lacks language subtleties but it can be helpful if what you need is a general idea of whether the page is useful.
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On Jun 15, 2023, at 10:57 AM, Robyn Clarke via < rsclarke@...> wrote:
Thank you all for your suggestions.? I might add, I do not speak French, so finding a translation of some of the pages, too hard, but I shall try and access these, before having to contact Town Halls, Departmental Archives etc.
Goodnight,
Robyn C.
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Thank you all for your suggestions.? I might add, I do not speak French, so finding a translation of some of the pages, too hard, but I shall try and access these, before having to contact Town Halls, Departmental Archives etc.
Goodnight,
Robyn C.
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Hi Robyn,
For a recent death like this you might try contacting the town hall in Toulon. Alternatively you could also try the archives of the département of the Var where Toulon is situated.?
I do not know if recent information is able to be divulged but if not they will tell you.
Good luck
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Hi Robyn,
These links might help -?
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Good luck with your research.
Jen
Sydney AU
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On: 15/06/2023?Robyn Clarke wrote:
Subject: [yorksgen] Off Topic - Help with research in France
Please excuse my enquiry if you have seen it elsewhere.
I am still on the hunt and would appreciate any suggestions re researching in France.
Would anyone on this List be familiar with French Family History and know where to access 20th century BDMs in France online?
I am subscribed to Ancestry, FMP and Familysearch and have had very limited success.? Geneanet was a suggestion, but one has to subscribe to see their records, not just indexes and I cannot afford to subscribe to another site.....
The person I am trying to find family of, died in 2019 in Toulon, France.? His Social Security Death Index Notice was available online for free, which I have, but nothing else it seems.
Any help would be very much appreciated.....
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Hi Robyn,
These links might help -?
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Good luck with your research. Jen Sydney AU
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On: 15/06/2023?Robyn Clarke wrote:
Subject: [yorksgen] Off Topic - Help with research in France
Please excuse my enquiry if you have seen it elsewhere.
I am still on the hunt and would appreciate any suggestions re researching in France.
Would anyone on this List be familiar with French Family History and know where to access 20th century BDMs in France online?
I am subscribed to Ancestry, FMP and Familysearch and have had very limited success.? Geneanet was a suggestion, but one has to subscribe to see their records, not just indexes and I cannot afford to subscribe to another site.....
The person I am trying to find family of, died in 2019 in Toulon, France.? His Social Security Death Index Notice was available online for free, which I have, but nothing else it seems.
Any help would be very much appreciated.....
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Hi Robyn,
Have you tried posting on any Facebook pages?? I find a lot of
groups on FB are amazingly helpful.
Cheers
Wendy
Perth, Australia
On 15/06/2023 6:57 am, Robyn Clarke via
groups.io wrote:
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Please excuse my enquiry if you have seen it elsewhere.
I am still on the hunt and would appreciate any suggestions re
researching in France.
Would anyone on this List be familiar with French Family History
and know where to access 20th century BDMs in France online?
I am subscribed to Ancestry, FMP and Familysearch and have had
very limited success.? Geneanet was a suggestion, but one has to
subscribe to see their records, not just indexes and I cannot
afford to subscribe to another site.....
The person I am trying to find family of, died in 2019 in Toulon,
France.? His Social Security Death Index Notice was available
online for free, which I have, but nothing else it seems.
Any help would be very much appreciated.....
Cheers,
Robyn
Australia
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Off Topic - Help with research in France
Please excuse my enquiry if you have seen it elsewhere.
I am still on the hunt and would appreciate any suggestions re researching in France.
Would anyone on this List be familiar with French Family History and know where to access 20th century BDMs in France online?
I am subscribed to Ancestry, FMP and Familysearch and have had very limited success.? Geneanet was a suggestion, but one has to subscribe to see their records, not just indexes and I cannot afford to subscribe to another site.....
The person I am trying to find family of, died in 2019 in Toulon, France.? His Social Security Death Index Notice was available online for free, which I have, but nothing else it seems.
Any help would be very much appreciated.....
Cheers,
Robyn
Australia
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Hi Maureen
The marriage is on Findmypast
But all it records is what you already have "(1698) June John FARRER & Eliz WADINGTON y 20 day"
Archive source Borthwick Institute for Archives
Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)
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On 09/06/2023 05:44, Maureen Farrer wrote: Hi Listers,
I have found a marriage for John FARRER and Elizabeth Wadington in Otley on 20 June 1698 and
says the record is held at Borthwick Institute for Archives. I live in Australia so is there any way I could
sight this record to see a bit more detail as the above is all I have found.
Thanks,
Maureen in Oz.
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Thanks Ken, I subscribe to FMP and Ancestry. Couldn’t find anything on FamilySearch.
Regards,
Maureen
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Maureen,
Many of these are viewable and downloadable on FamilySearch and/or FindMyPast.
You can search at home and, if it turns out that that film is locked, you can repeat the search at a public library which has a subscription to FS.
Ken iPad
On Jun 8, 2023, at 9:44 PM, Maureen Farrer <maureenfarrer71@...> wrote:
?Hi Listers,
I have found a marriage for John FARRER and Elizabeth Wadington in Otley on 20 June 1698 and
says the record is held at Borthwick Institute for Archives. I live in Australia so is there any way I could
sight this record to see a bit more detail as the above is all I have found.
Thanks,
Maureen in Oz.
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Maureen,
Many of these are viewable and downloadable on FamilySearch and/or FindMyPast.
You can search at home and, if it turns out that that film is locked, you can repeat the search at a public library which has a subscription to FS.
Ken iPad
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On Jun 8, 2023, at 9:44 PM, Maureen Farrer <maureenfarrer71@...> wrote:
?Hi Listers,
I have found a marriage for John FARRER and Elizabeth Wadington in Otley on 20 June 1698 and
says the record is held at Borthwick Institute for Archives. I live in Australia so is there any way I could
sight this record to see a bit more detail as the above is all I have found.
Thanks,
Maureen in Oz.
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Hi Listers,
I have found a marriage for John FARRER and Elizabeth Wadington in Otley on 20 June 1698 and
says the record is held at Borthwick Institute for Archives. I live in Australia so is there any way I could
sight this record to see a bit more detail as the above is all I have found.
Thanks,
Maureen in Oz.
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Hi Trish
I will be in Beverley Archives.
Let me know ALL your information on the person/s sought.
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-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Trish Michael via groups.io Sent: Saturday, June 3, 2023 1:39 AM To: [email protected]Subject: [yorksgen] Favour please....is anyone going to Beverley Archives? Morning everyone. Just wondering if anyone is going to Beverley at any time. I have discovered they are holding the records for Greater Driffield. I am fairly sure my 3 x great grandmother Anne KNIGHT (from previous posting a few weeks ago) was likely born there between 1797 and 1804. Until I find her baptism I am unable to move back further, give her a father/parents with my research. I am happy to reimburse any costs incurred involved via Paypal. She has proven to be quite elusive and I'd love to solve this puzzle that has been niggling at me for over 10 years. Many thanks in anticipation. ttfn Trish Michael Terrigal NSW Australia
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Re: Favour please....is anyone going to Beverley Archives? Thanks again
Hi everyone. Many thanks again Nivard. I got what you got a couple of times but the past week I haven't been getting the same results. I read through the registers at one stage for both Greater Driffield and Little Driffield.
I can only assume (dangerous I know) that she was not baptised in either place nor were any siblings she may have had.
I think I am going to have to leave this and wait until a further clue comes to light though what that will be eludes me. Most of what I need to move on happened prior to 1837.
It's waited 10 years or so so another couple won't do any harm and if I can't find it then it'll be left to my family if they are interested enough to follow up any of my research but it's not looking good so far!!
Still it keeps my brain active.
I do appreciate your time and effort Nivard. It's nice to have another pair of eyes on the job.
Many thanks again.
ttfn
Trish
Ex Hull lass on central coast of NSW. On Sunday, 4 June 2023 at 04:42:49 pm AEST, Nivard Ovington <ovington.one@...> wrote:
Hi again Trish
Not sure how you are searching Findmypast but you are wrong re PRs & BTs
for Great Driffield
(they also have Little Driffield)
Searching all record sets for > Yorkshire
Yorkshire Parish Registers and Bishop's Transcripts Browse
For Great Driffield
(I have just sorted them in order)
Baptisms, Marriages & Burials ??? 1556-1662 ??? 91 ???
Baptisms, Marriages & Burials ??? 1653-1737 ??? 125
Baptisms & Burials ??? 1782-1812 ??? 69
Baptisms ??? 1813-1836 ??? 105 ???
Baptisms ??? 1836-1850 ??? 105 ???
Baptisms ??? 1850-1874 ??? 149 ???
Baptisms ??? 1875-1895 ??? 103 ???
Baptisms ??? 1895-1902 ??? 53 ???
Baptisms ??? 1900-1958 ??? 15 ???
Baptisms ??? 1902-1913 ??? 49 ???
Baptisms ??? 1913-1924 ??? 21 ???
And BTs
Bishop's transcripts ??? Baptisms, Marriages & Burials ??? 1600-1875 ??? 443 ???
Bishop's transcripts ??? Baptisms, Marriages & Burials ??? 1832-1875 ??? 571
As you can see both PRs & BTs cover the period of your interest 1797 to 1804
Searching all records > Yorkshire > Baptisms
Place = Great Driffield
Great Driffield
1797 = 106 baptisms
1798 = 100
1799 = 90
1800 = 120
1801 = 92
1802 = 104
1803 = 111
1804 = 122
So all years are covered
As I said previously there are no KNIGHT baptisms, burials or marriages
in either Great or Little Driffield
Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)
On 04/06/2023 00:09, Trish Michael via groups.io wrote:
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>
> Hi Nivard. Thanks for your input. I have Findmypast and got the same
> results as you have sent. However yesterday I started again and a Google
> search took me to the Beverley Archives. I followed that up with various
> searches on Findmypast and couldn't find anything re baptisms for
> Greater Driffield or Little Driffield. I have a web page open of FMP
> that indicates it only has marriages from 1806-1812 for Great Driffield.
> Family search isn't any help either.
> Of course it is always possible she is the Hessle or Hull girl being
> born in either of those places and moving when she was young so had no
> knowledge of it. Either places being feasible.
>
> This is so frustrating....but then this hobby is well known to be
> frustrating.
> I will send an email to Beverley and ask them if the records they hold
> are available online and get an idea of costs to do a search. Annoyingly
> I have a friend who lives in Driffield but she's not into family history
> and it would be quite a daunting task for her to check the records. She
> goes to Beverley several times a week!! There's no harm in asking though.
>
> Thanks again for your input.
> ttfn
> Trish Michael
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Hi again Trish
Not sure how you are searching Findmypast but you are wrong re PRs & BTs for Great Driffield
(they also have Little Driffield)
Searching all record sets for > Yorkshire
Yorkshire Parish Registers and Bishop's Transcripts Browse
For Great Driffield
(I have just sorted them in order)
Baptisms, Marriages & Burials 1556-1662 91
Baptisms, Marriages & Burials 1653-1737 125
Baptisms & Burials 1782-1812 69
Baptisms 1813-1836 105
Baptisms 1836-1850 105
Baptisms 1850-1874 149
Baptisms 1875-1895 103
Baptisms 1895-1902 53
Baptisms 1900-1958 15
Baptisms 1902-1913 49
Baptisms 1913-1924 21
And BTs
Bishop's transcripts Baptisms, Marriages & Burials 1600-1875 443
Bishop's transcripts Baptisms, Marriages & Burials 1832-1875 571
As you can see both PRs & BTs cover the period of your interest 1797 to 1804
Searching all records > Yorkshire > Baptisms
Place = Great Driffield
Great Driffield
1797 = 106 baptisms
1798 = 100
1799 = 90
1800 = 120
1801 = 92
1802 = 104
1803 = 111
1804 = 122
So all years are covered
As I said previously there are no KNIGHT baptisms, burials or marriages in either Great or Little Driffield
Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)
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On 04/06/2023 00:09, Trish Michael via groups.io wrote: Hi Nivard. Thanks for your input. I have Findmypast and got the same results as you have sent. However yesterday I started again and a Google search took me to the Beverley Archives. I followed that up with various searches on Findmypast and couldn't find anything re baptisms for Greater Driffield or Little Driffield. I have a web page open of FMP that indicates it only has marriages from 1806-1812 for Great Driffield.
Family search isn't any help either.
Of course it is always possible she is the Hessle or Hull girl being born in either of those places and moving when she was young so had no knowledge of it. Either places being feasible.
This is so frustrating....but then this hobby is well known to be frustrating.
I will send an email to Beverley and ask them if the records they hold are available online and get an idea of costs to do a search. Annoyingly I have a friend who lives in Driffield but she's not into family history and it would be quite a daunting task for her to check the records. She goes to Beverley several times a week!! There's no harm in asking though.
Thanks again for your input.
ttfn
Trish Michael
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Re: Favour please....is anyone going to Beverley Archives? Thanks
Hi Nivard. Thanks for your input. I have Findmypast and got the same results as you have sent. However yesterday I started again and a Google search took me to the Beverley Archives. I followed that up with various searches on Findmypast and couldn't find anything re baptisms for Greater Driffield or Little Driffield. I have a web page open of FMP that indicates it only has marriages from 1806-1812 for Great Driffield.
Family search isn't any help either.
Of course it is always possible she is the Hessle or Hull girl being born in either of those places and moving when she was young so had no knowledge of it. Either places being feasible.
This is so frustrating....but then this hobby is well known to be frustrating.
I will send an email to Beverley and ask them if the records they hold are available online and get an idea of costs to do a search. Annoyingly I have a friend who lives in Driffield but she's not into family history and it would be quite a daunting task for her to check the records. She goes to Beverley several times a week!! There's no harm in asking though.
Thanks again for your input.
ttfn
Trish Michael
ex Hull lass on NSW central coast. On Saturday, 3 June 2023 at 05:11:28 pm AEST, Nivard Ovington <ovington.one@...> wrote:
Hi Trish The parish records for Great Driffield are on Findmypast Checking the baptisms there are no Anne KNIGHTs baptised there in your period, in fact there are no KNIGHT baptisms there at all at any time The nearest name to it is an Ann NIPE baptised 11th Mar 1798 parents William & Jane, but there are other NIPE baptisms and it would be unusual if all were wrongly recorded Searching Yorkshire 1800+/- 5 years for an Anne KNIGHT there are two Ann KNIGHT bap 21st Sep 1800 Hessle father Thomas (BTs) Ann KNIGHT bap 12th Oct 1805 Holy Trinity Hull parents John & Elizabeth (PRs) Both over 20 miles from Great Driffield Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)
On 03/06/2023 01:39, Trish Michael via groups.io wrote:
> Morning everyone.? Just wondering if anyone is going to Beverley at any time.? I have discovered they are holding the records for Greater Driffield.
> I am fairly sure my 3 x great grandmother Anne KNIGHT (from previous posting a few weeks ago) was likely born there between 1797 and 1804.? Until I find her baptism I am unable to move back further, give her a father/parents with my research.
> I am happy to reimburse any costs incurred involved via Paypal.
>
> She has proven to be quite elusive and I'd love to solve this puzzle that has been niggling at me for over 10 years.
>
> Many thanks in anticipation.
> ttfn
> Trish Michael
> Terrigal? NSW Australia
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Re: Favour please....is anyone going to Beverley Archives?
Hi Trish
The parish records for Great Driffield are on Findmypast
Checking the baptisms there are no Anne KNIGHTs baptised there in your period, in fact there are no KNIGHT baptisms there at all at any time
The nearest name to it is an Ann NIPE baptised 11th Mar 1798 parents William & Jane, but there are other NIPE baptisms and it would be unusual if all were wrongly recorded
Searching Yorkshire 1800+/- 5 years for an Anne KNIGHT there are two
Ann KNIGHT bap 21st Sep 1800 Hessle father Thomas (BTs)
Ann KNIGHT bap 12th Oct 1805 Holy Trinity Hull parents John & Elizabeth (PRs)
Both over 20 miles from Great Driffield
Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)
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On 03/06/2023 01:39, Trish Michael via groups.io wrote: Morning everyone. Just wondering if anyone is going to Beverley at any time. I have discovered they are holding the records for Greater Driffield.
I am fairly sure my 3 x great grandmother Anne KNIGHT (from previous posting a few weeks ago) was likely born there between 1797 and 1804. Until I find her baptism I am unable to move back further, give her a father/parents with my research.
I am happy to reimburse any costs incurred involved via Paypal.
She has proven to be quite elusive and I'd love to solve this puzzle that has been niggling at me for over 10 years.
Many thanks in anticipation.
ttfn
Trish Michael
Terrigal NSW Australia
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Favour please....is anyone going to Beverley Archives?
Morning everyone. Just wondering if anyone is going to Beverley at any time. I have discovered they are holding the records for Greater Driffield.
I am fairly sure my 3 x great grandmother Anne KNIGHT (from previous posting a few weeks ago) was likely born there between 1797 and 1804. Until I find her baptism I am unable to move back further, give her a father/parents with my research.
I am happy to reimburse any costs incurred involved via Paypal.
She has proven to be quite elusive and I'd love to solve this puzzle that has been niggling at me for over 10 years.
Many thanks in anticipation.
ttfn
Trish Michael
Terrigal NSW Australia
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I found this entry some time ago. It suggests English and Irish roots. ? Regards Barry Wilson ? Angus Baxter in "In Search of Your British and Irish Roots" describes a pattern that was popular in England in the 1700-1875 period: ·????????? The first son was named after the father's father ·????????? The second son was named after the mother's father ·????????? The third son was named after the father ·????????? The fourth son was named after the father's eldest brother ·????????? The first daughter after the mother's mother ·????????? The second daughter after the father's mother ·????????? The third daughter after the mother ·????????? The fourth daughter after the mother's eldest sister ? ?
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Ken Harrison
Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2023 5:22 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [yorksgen] naming pattern? I get a bit confused with the different traditional naming patterns for children in Ireland, Scotland and England, and whether there were regional variations at times.
What was the traditional pattern in Yorkshire in the mid 1700s?
My family at that time were mostly Quakers or other non-Catholic non-Conformists.? Did these tend to follow the same pattern?
Ken in Vancouver
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Wendy Bloomfield
Nivard Ovington