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Locked Yorkshire Surnames List - June update

 

I have today updated the surnames list with:

BEDFORD
RAISTRICK
TETLEY

Apologies for no May update due to unforeseen circumstances.

Lin Duke


Re: Phillimore registers Rotherham

 

Hi Margaret

The Phillimores for Rotherham are on Findmypast

I counted

1688 April to March 17 marriages

1689 April to March 18 marriages

1690 April to March 5 marriages

1691 April to March 5 marriages

Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

On 24/06/2023 12:43, Margaret ELLIOTT via groups.io wrote:
The Phillimore Register for Rotherham has only one marriage listed between April 1690 and the following March.
Is this correct, and if so does anyone know why this should be?
Regards
Margaret
Switzerland


Phillimore registers Rotherham

 

The Phillimore Register for Rotherham has only one marriage listed between April 1690 and the following March.

Is this correct, and if so does anyone know why this should be?

Regards
Margaret
Switzerland


Re: Hull burial - STRAFFORD

 



On 22 Jun 2023, at 13:07, JA Woodall <jane.woodall2016@...> wrote:
Hi Margaret
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Sometimes eliminating things helps.?
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Jane


Re: Hull burial - STRAFFORD

 

Hi Margaret

Sometimes eliminating things helps.?

best wishes

Jane?

On Thu, 22 Jun 2023 at 11:41, Margaret ELLIOTT via <m.e.elliott=[email protected]> wrote:
Thank you Jane. ? It is very helpful, even if it was by effectively eliminating any possibility of my Ann being buried in Hull! ? The Wath marriage is of my John, and it is he who married Harriet Milner. ? So, as a son was baptised in Scrooby in 1810 and John was married again in 1815, there is a very small window for Ann¡¯s death. ? Ann was born in Wath upon Dearne in 1780, John in Conisborough in 1774, and John must have taken over the mill in Scrooby when the 20 year old only son of a quite distant relative died.

Kind regards
Margaret


On 21 Jun 2023, at 09:09, JA Woodall <jane.woodall2016@...> wrote:

Hi Margaret
There's a baptism of John Strafford - father Richard - October 10 1765 at Holy Trinity Hull.

There's a John Strafford buried Sept 7 1789 at St Mary Lowgate Hull - father Jonathan so not the above John

The only marriage I can find for John Strafford in Hull is Oct 21, 1795 at Holy Trinity but that's to Alice Wilson

John and Alice have a son John baptised Feb 6 at Holy Trinity; he goes on to marry Mary Strathard in Holy Trinity July 17, 1823 and then possibly remarries? to Jane Ward, widow in 1831, also at Holy Trinity. His occupation is tanner, and William Strafford was one of the witnesses.?

The only marriage I can find from 1750 onwards (based on Ann being 60 when she died - no evidence just using that as a timeframe) of a John to an Ann is March 7 1799 in Wath on Dearne - she's Ann Crossley of Wath, he's from Scrooby in Nottinghamshire.? They married by licence. Wath is 54 miles from Hull, Scrooby is 17 miles from Wath- just over the border into Nottinghamshire.

In 1815 John Strafford, widower of Sutton upon Lound and Scrooby, Nottinghamshire married Harriet Milner, also widowed, Dec 15 in Scrooby by licence.?

Having said all that - there is a John Strafford, 75 - born 1766 - of independent means, living in Thornton Square, Holy Trinity, Hull with Elizabeth Taylor 40 (born 1801) a straw bonnet maker and her two children George 15 and Hannah 13 - all born in county. Possibly a widowed daughter - and age tallies with? John, son of Richard born in 1765.?

I don't know if that helps or just confuses but hopefully the former!

best wishes

Jane?
Chasing W(h)eldrake/drick - any variation, anytime, any place - particularly Robert married Susanna(h) ?? and settled in Birstall, West Yorkshire in 1708. Where did they come from?!?





On Tue, 20 Jun 2023 at 22:16, Margaret ELLIOTT via <m.e.elliott=[email protected]> wrote:
Thank you for the information.? ?Maybe she was my missing wife, maybe she wasn¡¯t, and maybe I shall never know.? ? ?I guess Church records were not designed with future genealogists in mind.? ?John was a miller, so perhaps could have gone to a port and taken his wife with him.

Kind regards
Margaret

> On 19 Jun 2023, at 23:03, John Hanson via <john.hanson=[email protected]> wrote:
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> Ann
> The actual parish records for Yorkshire apart from the West Riding (and that is slowly appearing) are al on FMP.
> Prior to 1813 and the start of the Rose's registers you are unlikely to find any more information -
> If only she had died 6 months later then you would have know how old she was - but you would not have known that she was the wife of John!
> You win and you lose
> Regards
> John Hanson FSG
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> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Margaret ELLIOTT via
> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2023 2:56 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: [yorksgen] Hull burial - STRAFFORD
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> Ancestry have a burial in Hull on 31/7/1812 of Ann STRAFFORD wife of John.? ?If anyone has access to Hull registers or graveyards I should be very appreciative if they could see if any more information is available, particularly where John and Ann were from.
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Re: Hull burial - STRAFFORD

 

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Thank you Jane. ? It is very helpful, even if it was by effectively eliminating any possibility of my Ann being buried in Hull! ? The Wath marriage is of my John, and it is he who married Harriet Milner. ? So, as a son was baptised in Scrooby in 1810 and John was married again in 1815, there is a very small window for Ann¡¯s death. ? Ann was born in Wath upon Dearne in 1780, John in Conisborough in 1774, and John must have taken over the mill in Scrooby when the 20 year old only son of a quite distant relative died.

Kind regards
Margaret


On 21 Jun 2023, at 09:09, JA Woodall <jane.woodall2016@...> wrote:

Hi Margaret
There's a baptism of John Strafford - father Richard - October 10 1765 at Holy Trinity Hull.

There's a John Strafford buried Sept 7 1789 at St Mary Lowgate Hull - father Jonathan so not the above John

The only marriage I can find for John Strafford in Hull is Oct 21, 1795 at Holy Trinity but that's to Alice Wilson

John and Alice have a son John baptised Feb 6 at Holy Trinity; he goes on to marry Mary Strathard in Holy Trinity July 17, 1823 and then possibly remarries? to Jane Ward, widow in 1831, also at Holy Trinity. His occupation is tanner, and William Strafford was one of the witnesses.?

The only marriage I can find from 1750 onwards (based on Ann being 60 when she died - no evidence just using that as a timeframe) of a John to an Ann is March 7 1799 in Wath on Dearne - she's Ann Crossley of Wath, he's from Scrooby in Nottinghamshire.? They married by licence. Wath is 54 miles from Hull, Scrooby is 17 miles from Wath- just over the border into Nottinghamshire.

In 1815 John Strafford, widower of Sutton upon Lound and Scrooby, Nottinghamshire married Harriet Milner, also widowed, Dec 15 in Scrooby by licence.?

Having said all that - there is a John Strafford, 75 - born 1766 - of independent means, living in Thornton Square, Holy Trinity, Hull with Elizabeth Taylor 40 (born 1801) a straw bonnet maker and her two children George 15 and Hannah 13 - all born in county. Possibly a widowed daughter - and age tallies with? John, son of Richard born in 1765.?

I don't know if that helps or just confuses but hopefully the former!

best wishes

Jane?
Chasing W(h)eldrake/drick - any variation, anytime, any place - particularly Robert married Susanna(h) ?? and settled in Birstall, West Yorkshire in 1708. Where did they come from?!?





On Tue, 20 Jun 2023 at 22:16, Margaret ELLIOTT via <m.e.elliott=[email protected]> wrote:
Thank you for the information.? ?Maybe she was my missing wife, maybe she wasn¡¯t, and maybe I shall never know.? ? ?I guess Church records were not designed with future genealogists in mind.? ?John was a miller, so perhaps could have gone to a port and taken his wife with him.

Kind regards
Margaret

> On 19 Jun 2023, at 23:03, John Hanson via <john.hanson=[email protected]> wrote:
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> Ann
> The actual parish records for Yorkshire apart from the West Riding (and that is slowly appearing) are al on FMP.
> Prior to 1813 and the start of the Rose's registers you are unlikely to find any more information -
> If only she had died 6 months later then you would have know how old she was - but you would not have known that she was the wife of John!
> You win and you lose
> Regards
> John Hanson FSG
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Margaret ELLIOTT via
> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2023 2:56 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: [yorksgen] Hull burial - STRAFFORD
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> Ancestry have a burial in Hull on 31/7/1812 of Ann STRAFFORD wife of John.? ?If anyone has access to Hull registers or graveyards I should be very appreciative if they could see if any more information is available, particularly where John and Ann were from.
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> Kind regards
> Margaret
> Switzerland
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Re: Hull burial - STRAFFORD

 

Hi Margaret
There's a baptism of John Strafford - father Richard - October 10 1765 at Holy Trinity Hull.

There's a John Strafford buried Sept 7 1789 at St Mary Lowgate Hull - father Jonathan so not the above John

The only marriage I can find for John Strafford in Hull is Oct 21, 1795 at Holy Trinity but that's to Alice Wilson

John and Alice have a son John baptised Feb 6 at Holy Trinity; he goes on to marry Mary Strathard in Holy Trinity July 17, 1823 and then possibly remarries? to Jane Ward, widow in 1831, also at Holy Trinity. His occupation is tanner, and William Strafford was one of the witnesses.?

The only marriage I can find from 1750 onwards (based on Ann being 60 when she died - no evidence just using that as a timeframe) of a John to an Ann is March 7 1799 in Wath on Dearne - she's Ann Crossley of Wath, he's from Scrooby in Nottinghamshire.? They married by licence. Wath is 54 miles from Hull, Scrooby is 17 miles from Wath- just over the border into Nottinghamshire.

In 1815 John Strafford, widower of Sutton upon Lound and Scrooby, Nottinghamshire married Harriet Milner, also widowed, Dec 15 in Scrooby by licence.?

Having said all that - there is a John Strafford, 75 - born 1766 - of independent means, living in Thornton Square, Holy Trinity, Hull with Elizabeth Taylor 40 (born 1801) a straw bonnet maker and her two children George 15 and Hannah 13 - all born in county. Possibly a widowed daughter - and age tallies with? John, son of Richard born in 1765.?

I don't know if that helps or just confuses but hopefully the former!

best wishes

Jane?
Chasing W(h)eldrake/drick - any variation, anytime, any place - particularly Robert married Susanna(h) ?? and settled in Birstall, West Yorkshire in 1708. Where did they come from?!?





On Tue, 20 Jun 2023 at 22:16, Margaret ELLIOTT via <m.e.elliott=[email protected]> wrote:
Thank you for the information.? ?Maybe she was my missing wife, maybe she wasn¡¯t, and maybe I shall never know.? ? ?I guess Church records were not designed with future genealogists in mind.? ?John was a miller, so perhaps could have gone to a port and taken his wife with him.

Kind regards
Margaret

> On 19 Jun 2023, at 23:03, John Hanson via <john.hanson=[email protected]> wrote:
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> Ann
> The actual parish records for Yorkshire apart from the West Riding (and that is slowly appearing) are al on FMP.
> Prior to 1813 and the start of the Rose's registers you are unlikely to find any more information -
> If only she had died 6 months later then you would have know how old she was - but you would not have known that she was the wife of John!
> You win and you lose
> Regards
> John Hanson FSG
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Margaret ELLIOTT via
> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2023 2:56 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: [yorksgen] Hull burial - STRAFFORD
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> Ancestry have a burial in Hull on 31/7/1812 of Ann STRAFFORD wife of John.? ?If anyone has access to Hull registers or graveyards I should be very appreciative if they could see if any more information is available, particularly where John and Ann were from.
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Re: Hull burial - STRAFFORD

 

Hull registers are online at Findmypast.?

Sue

On Mon, 19 Jun 2023, 15:42 Margaret ELLIOTT via , <m.e.elliott=[email protected]> wrote:
Ancestry have a burial in Hull on 31/7/1812 of Ann STRAFFORD wife of John.? ?If anyone has access to Hull registers or graveyards I should be very appreciative if they could see if any more information is available, particularly where John and Ann were from.

Kind regards
Margaret
Switzerland






Re: Hull burial - STRAFFORD

 

Thank you for the information. Maybe she was my missing wife, maybe she wasn¡¯t, and maybe I shall never know. I guess Church records were not designed with future genealogists in mind. John was a miller, so perhaps could have gone to a port and taken his wife with him.

Kind regards
Margaret

On 19 Jun 2023, at 23:03, John Hanson via groups.io <john.hanson@...> wrote:

Ann
The actual parish records for Yorkshire apart from the West Riding (and that is slowly appearing) are al on FMP.
Prior to 1813 and the start of the Rose's registers you are unlikely to find any more information -
If only she had died 6 months later then you would have know how old she was - but you would not have known that she was the wife of John!
You win and you lose
Regards
John Hanson FSG

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Margaret ELLIOTT via groups.io
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2023 2:56 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [yorksgen] Hull burial - STRAFFORD

Ancestry have a burial in Hull on 31/7/1812 of Ann STRAFFORD wife of John. If anyone has access to Hull registers or graveyards I should be very appreciative if they could see if any more information is available, particularly where John and Ann were from.

Kind regards
Margaret
Switzerland












Re: Hull burial - STRAFFORD

 

Ann
The actual parish records for Yorkshire apart from the West Riding (and that is slowly appearing) are al on FMP.
Prior to 1813 and the start of the Rose's registers you are unlikely to find any more information -
If only she had died 6 months later then you would have know how old she was - but you would not have known that she was the wife of John!
You win and you lose
Regards
John Hanson FSG

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Margaret ELLIOTT via groups.io
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2023 2:56 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [yorksgen] Hull burial - STRAFFORD

Ancestry have a burial in Hull on 31/7/1812 of Ann STRAFFORD wife of John. If anyone has access to Hull registers or graveyards I should be very appreciative if they could see if any more information is available, particularly where John and Ann were from.

Kind regards
Margaret
Switzerland


Re: Hull burial - STRAFFORD

 

Hi Margaret

The transcript on Ancestry is actually from familysearch (any database with select in the title is from familysearch)

But the registers are on Findmypast

Burials in the period rarely give much detail, and this is no different

The register reads (1812) July 31 Ann wife of John STRAFFORD

And thats it, had it been a year later there might have been a little more in the preprinted registers


Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

On 19/06/2023 14:55, Margaret ELLIOTT via groups.io wrote:
Ancestry have a burial in Hull on 31/7/1812 of Ann STRAFFORD wife of John. If anyone has access to Hull registers or graveyards I should be very appreciative if they could see if any more information is available, particularly where John and Ann were from.
Kind regards
Margaret
Switzerland


Hull burial - STRAFFORD

 

Ancestry have a burial in Hull on 31/7/1812 of Ann STRAFFORD wife of John. If anyone has access to Hull registers or graveyards I should be very appreciative if they could see if any more information is available, particularly where John and Ann were from.

Kind regards
Margaret
Switzerland


Re: East Riding grave photographs

 

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Hi Colin,
Thank you so much! I appreciate all your work. Genuki is one of my favourite websites. I always mention it when conducting lectures in my area.
Regards
Wendy
Perth, Western Australia?





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From: "Colin Hinson via groups.io" <Colin@...>
Date: 16/6/23 10:40 pm (GMT+08:00)
Subject: [yorksgen] East Riding grave photographs

Dear All,
Over the past week I have added around 3,400? photographs of East Riding graves to the Genuki site.
The added graveyards are given below - I believe these are complete with the two exceptions of? Beverley Molescroft cemetery and Howden graveyard.
The numbers are the number of photographs added.

Beverley Molescroft Cemetery 160 added (nowhere near completed)
Holme on Spalding Moor 454 - now completed
Howden (Minster) graveyard 110 added (nowhere near completed)
Howden Cemetery 515 - now completed
Hotham - churchyard extension added 140, now complete
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Brantingham 320
Ellerker 235 (Brantingham parish)
Newport/Gilberdyke 428 (Eastrington parish)
North Newbald 158
South Cave 67
South Cave Cemetery 831

There is a surname index given for each on the relevant parish pages with a surname index for the whole of the 91,000 photos at:
https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/YRY/ERY/GraveIndex

If you spot any errors or can help with the "Unknowns", please drop me a line.

Best wishes,
Colin Hinson

In the village of Blunham in Bedfordshire U.K.
Webmaster for the Genuki Yorkshire pages:
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/
Old and Rare Yorkshire Books on searchable CDroms:
http://www.YorkshireCDbooks.com







Re: naming pattern

 

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I haven't come across this pattern in any part of my extended families in Yorkshire or elsewhere. . Some, but not many,? of them are non-conformist. Non are Catholic..

Margaret


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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Margaret Cambridge <talktomarg@...>
Sent: Friday, June 16, 2023 6:58:42 PM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [yorksgen] naming pattern
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None of my Protestant families in West Yorkshire or anywhere in England followed a naming pattern from the 1700¡¯s onward.? They often used family names but not in any particular order. ??However, my Irish Roman Catholic families did.

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Marg

From the Beautiful British Columbia Cariboo Region

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On Wed, 31 May 2023 at 21:54, Ken Harrison <kenharrison43@...> wrote:

I get a bit confused with the different traditional naming patterns for children in Ireland, Scotland and England, and whether there were regional variations at times.
What was the traditional pattern in Yorkshire in the mid 1700s?
My family at that time were mostly Quakers or other non-Catholic non-Conformists.? Did these tend to follow the same pattern?
Ken in Vancouver


Virus-free.


Re: naming pattern

 

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None of my Protestant families in West Yorkshire or anywhere in England followed a naming pattern from the 1700¡¯s onward.? They often used family names but not in any particular order. ??However, my Irish Roman Catholic families did.

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Marg

From the Beautiful British Columbia Cariboo Region

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On Wed, 31 May 2023 at 21:54, Ken Harrison <kenharrison43@...> wrote:

I get a bit confused with the different traditional naming patterns for children in Ireland, Scotland and England, and whether there were regional variations at times.
What was the traditional pattern in Yorkshire in the mid 1700s?
My family at that time were mostly Quakers or other non-Catholic non-Conformists.? Did these tend to follow the same pattern?
Ken in Vancouver


Virus-free.


East Riding grave photographs

 

Dear All,
Over the past week I have added around 3,400 photographs of East Riding graves to the Genuki site.
The added graveyards are given below - I believe these are complete with the two exceptions of Beverley Molescroft cemetery and Howden graveyard.
The numbers are the number of photographs added.

Beverley Molescroft Cemetery 160 added (nowhere near completed)
Holme on Spalding Moor 454 - now completed
Howden (Minster) graveyard 110 added (nowhere near completed)
Howden Cemetery 515 - now completed
Hotham - churchyard extension added 140, now complete
-
Brantingham 320
Ellerker 235 (Brantingham parish)
Newport/Gilberdyke 428 (Eastrington parish)
North Newbald 158
South Cave 67
South Cave Cemetery 831

There is a surname index given for each on the relevant parish pages with a surname index for the whole of the 91,000 photos at:


If you spot any errors or can help with the "Unknowns", please drop me a line.

Best wishes,
Colin Hinson

In the village of Blunham in Bedfordshire U.K.
Webmaster for the Genuki Yorkshire pages:

Old and Rare Yorkshire Books on searchable CDroms:


Locked Re: Off Topic - Help with research in France

 

As lots of suggestions have been made and thanks given, I am closing the topic.

Thanks to all.

Admin


Locked Re: Off Topic - Help with research in France

 

Robyn and others

Cyndi's List usually has a comprehensive list of websites for almost anywhere - just enter France in the search box top right of the website
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and many options will pop up.?

I'd try Geneanet first, or?

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Often non-English language websites have a small union jack flag on the top of the site somewhere that will offer some English translations. Alternatively, you can master the equivalent of eg 'birth", marriage' & 'death' pretty quickly using Google Translate or other online tools, does not need a smart phone.?

And I've had quite a lot of luck for newspaper notices in French searching for the person's name and "Avis de D¨¦³¦¨¨s" - often showing relatives. Again, just copy any result that looks promising into Google Translate.?

Apologies given we're off-topic.?
jo




On Friday, 16 June 2023 at 02:00:15 pm NZST, Robyn Clarke via groups.io <rsclarke@...> wrote:


Thank you Everyone......I cannot read French.?? I do not have a smartphone.? I have found his name and date of Death and birth......through France Insee Social Security Death Index...BUT even though I have found two Family Trees online, neither seem to be giving the same information as each other, or indeed matching the Social Security Death Index, .....? Both Trees are French of course, owners only speak French.? The Death Notice Anne, through the website you kindly gave me above, had his Name therein, but no Newspaper notice.? He was aged 92 yrs. at time of death in 2019, which matches the information I have, but not the Trees.
I am very thankful that my fellow researchers here have been so generous, when we are not talking about Yorkshire or our Yorkshire families.? I am trying to help a friend, at least we've found the Death details but unfortunately no further information about his parentage.
Cheers, Robyn C.


Re: naming pattern

 

Helllo everyone,
None of my family's Yorkshire or otherwise followed any naming patterns, so it is difficult to answer this question.

I also have at least 3 children whose first names were actually Original (related but not necessarily son & father etc) so where did the name Original come from perhaps they also had a duplicate one

Libe

On Wed, 31 May 2023 at 21:54, Ken Harrison <kenharrison43@...> wrote:
I get a bit confused with the different traditional naming patterns for children in Ireland, Scotland and England, and whether there were regional variations at times.
What was the traditional pattern in Yorkshire in the mid 1700s?
My family at that time were mostly Quakers or other non-Catholic non-Conformists.? Did these tend to follow the same pattern?
Ken in Vancouver


Locked Re: Off Topic - Help with research in France

 

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Robyn

Without a name it if difficult to try and be more helpful

Was the person French or English and died overseas or went overseas

If they had property or estate in the UK then you should find the will being proved in the UK probate service and that is always up to the current year as entries appear about after the date proved

My understanding of French BMDs is that they are recorded locally with no central system therefore you need to know where he was born to get his birth certificate

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Regards

John Hanson FSG

Researching the Halstead/Holstead/Alstead names

Researcher, the Halsted Trust -

Research website -

And my own study of FOSKER

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Robyn Clarke via groups.io
Sent: Friday, June 16, 2023 3:00 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [yorksgen] Off Topic - Help with research in France

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Thank you Everyone......I cannot read French.?? I do not have a smartphone.? I have found his name and date of Death and birth......through France Insee Social Security Death Index...BUT even though I have found two Family Trees online, neither seem to be giving the same information as each other, or indeed matching the Social Security Death Index, .....? Both Trees are French of course, owners only speak French.? The Death Notice Anne, through the website you kindly gave me above, had his Name therein, but no Newspaper notice.? He was aged 92 yrs. at time of death in 2019, which matches the information I have, but not the Trees.
I am very thankful that my fellow researchers here have been so generous, when we are not talking about Yorkshire or our Yorkshire families.? I am trying to help a friend, at least we've found the Death details but unfortunately no further information about his parentage.
Cheers, Robyn C.