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hi Sean, Two bottom pictures of the FAMOCO GG-I that might help a little more. I know the FAMOCO had a revision at one time. Jim H

More like ICONS in your case . Tell Mark where to look in your photo albums ! Great layout shots , great project threads . Henry

Does it make a difference in DCC if the drivers are brass or nickle silver(I think they're nickle silver)? These are Bowser drivers.

I had a Cary S2 that would pull everything including the yard office out of town with the Athearn sintered wheel sets . Had anotherwith nickel silver ? Smooth as silk , nowhere near the puller the other one was . Henry

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Mark, Are you saying you object to the slow operation of the Bowsers with DCC decoders and/or Helix Humpers? One of the intentional characteristics of the HH conversion is the slowing of the overall top speed of the locomotives. The HH conversion slows the speed and quiets the loco while (supposedly) increasing pulling power and low amp usage-- all by using a smallish looking can motor and some different gearing. The trade off is significantly slower top speed. So you're saying, after the conversion, you wish the locos were faster? This reminds me of something I heard Lew English musing about years ago. He said that he had been fielding complaints for years from modelers who didn't like the noise of the Bowser trains however, with the advent of DCC and speakers, modelers "wanted them loud again!" Likewise, modelers have also complained for some time about the "unrealistic" high speeds of some Bowser locos but I have also heard from other modelers, like you, who don't necessarily like the slower top speed once they've made the HH conversion. The same goes for DCC installation. What you get with DCC is smoother starts, multiple loco consisting, low amp draw, sounds... and "more realistic" top speed (I.E. slower). I've messed around with different combination of open frame motors and original gearing, new gearboxes, can motors and helix humpers and all have their advantages but none of them can give you absolutely every range operation. I kind of like having various kinds of set-ups which allows for a real variety of operations. Different locos for different tasks. I also happen to think that the traditional open frame motor on DC power turning a worm on a 27 (or so) tooth axle gear is the most "realistic" way to actually operate a model HO scale steamer. This is because, with this kind of set-up, your locomotive is much more "slippery" to start and to pull trains up grades... like the prototype really was. It seems to me that the operational characteristics of HH or DCC conversions are the brain children of modelers who grew up on diesels and are trying to make steamers operate more like diesels. Yes, model diesels with smooth can motors are much more sure footed and require less maintenance. Exactly! That is precisely why the real diesels rendered the real steamers obsolete. There is a charm and quaintness to steam locomotives but there is a trade off and that is that they are completely different beasts that require a different kind of maintenance and operation than diesels--whether you're talking actual trains or models. It goes with the territory. Jeff jppellas@...

Added a couple of free things to the "for sale Ron C " photo section a bunch of AHM parts, free with $10 postage. a group of old motors free for the $10 postage. I ship by US mail and I found that $5 doesn't cover postage and the shipping material. Ron Christensen

WOW! Would you look at this---- http://www.ebay.com/itm/Postcard-WARTHER-CARVINGS-Walnut-Wood-Ivory-UP-4-8-8-4-BIG-BOY-Union-Pacific-/230725223162?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35b84b82fa Denis

Batter up group ! There's been a LOT of discussion about whether or not there is a great deal of difference in materials , BTW Bowser had both surfaces [?] the majority of my collection is brass . Does it make a big difference ? I don't know for sure , but if the surfaces arean't clean ? Trouble ! Please jump in group ! Henry H.

Henry, The St Louis TRRA's annual magazine for 2012 was the Rock Island/Burlington Zephyr Twin Cities Rocket. The 2013 mag will cover the Clover Leaf/NKP pass & frt ops from St L to Toledo. Denis

Found the pix of the redone R1d, he even cut up the tender which really lends itself well to doing this in this project. I've seen it painted and its really very close to right,... Tom Knowles NOTE NEW ADDRESS: tomk@... On 1/13/2013 8:41 AM, Denis Long wrote:

Lucky us! I* also got a shot in the butt and one in the arm....jealous? Sold a few of the consignment items already, and have a buyer for a Bachmann 4-6-0 I did up as an NC&StL engine, so hadda spend it already: Bought a brass B&M R1d that will end up as NC&StL class J3-57 #570 Yellow Jacket. When I am done, this will be the third one of these in known history to be a donor to make an NC J. One of those was the mule that went to Overland when they were dreaming up their own production of these 4-8-4's. I scratch built one years ago from a brass table leg brass castings and Bowser drivers that is passable, but crude.....#576 like the one in the Park in Nashville. Another one in my stable is a plastic kitbash to make #571 using a SP Daylight and the boiler top half from an NYC Niagra, and I am lucky to own one of the Overland models, too #580. Thats one sweet machine! I suppose the 570 will be my "swan song" as a rivet counter. Can't sleep tonite for some reason, so the late post..... Tom Knowles On 1/11/2013 1:52 PM, Denis Long wrote:

Just added a brass caboose from The Car Shop. you will find it in the photo area For sale Ron c I'm asking $15 plus $7 shipping. I found that $5 is about a bit short, sending something in the US mail. The other things in that are are still for sale. Ron Christensen

I have 3 books to 'sell'. 1. American Locomotives, E P Alexander, over 250 pics, very good. 2. The Steam Locomotive in America, A Bruce, 168 pics, very good. 3. Trains of America, D J Heimberger, over 195 COLOR pics, mostly diesels, like new. I will 'sell' these for postage & packaging. Contact me off-list for further info. Thanks, Denis Long

Try to stay warm everyone January is here with a vengance ! Freezing here in the AMs . I was going through some steam loco pictures on ebay when I came across an interesting possible kitbash ? A Toronto Hamilton and Buffalo Alco built 2-8-4 . Built to practices of the New York Central . The tender and the lines and layout of appliances on the boiler all look the similar to the NYCs J3a Hudsons ! Yeah I know , no I don't have a photo of my own , but this one could be done ? Henry

I'll posting some pictures into the photos of a brass engine that ended on ebay last night. I'd like to know if anyone knows who made this engine and from what. Sincerely, Mike

Henry, and all, If there are pix of the prototype, and or the model, I missed them, or the link to them. Would someone kindly send them to me, or direct me to them, please. -- Thanks & regards, Walter

The plastic ones [CON COR ] !!!! Henry

Just found these on eBay: Item number: 230901233089 Also if you are looking up C-C Crusaders for sale, search 'GHB'. Denis