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The plastic ones [CON COR ] !!!! Henry
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Hi Henry, Went to the C-C site and reminded myself that these are MSRP $749.? They stated they were nearly sold out in November, at a special $599.?? So, don¡¯t know what is actually available.? Checked with a couple of retailers---didn¡¯t list them.? Sound unit will cost $75. ? Could you have imagined you would be paying this kind of money for a plastic set 20 years ago? ? Denis ? ? ? ? ?
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Denis , mon' frer' , I just don't know anymore ? No way 20 years ago , this kind of money for plastic ? Incredible . Henry H.
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Hi Henry,
Went to the C-C site and reminded myself that these are MSRP $749. They
stated they were nearly sold out in November, at a special $599. So, don't
know what is actually available. Checked with a couple of
retailers---didn't list them. Sound unit will cost $75.
Could you have imagined you would be paying this kind of money for a plastic
set 20 years ago?
Denis
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Gents,
But we are talking about today's dollars. Remember how many bags of groceries you could buy for $100 twenty years ago verses how few today? A huge difference, mon ami.
Factor in that the quality of the plastic model then was much lower than today's. CC is a good example.
Walter
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Denis , mon' frer' , I just don't know anymore ? No way 20 years ago , this kind of money for plastic ? Incredible . Henry H.
--- In yardbirdtrains@..., "Denis Long" wrote:
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> Hi Henry,
>
> Went to the C-C site and reminded myself that these are MSRP $749. They
> stated they were nearly sold out in November, at a special $599. So, don't
> know what is actually available. Checked with a couple of
> retailers---didn't list them. Sound unit will cost $75.
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>
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> Could you have imagined you would be paying this kind of money for a plastic
> set 20 years ago?
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>
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> Denis
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I'm not one to buy the set at that price. I'm not upset in any manner about it. I just won't pay that much for an engine and five cars in plastic.
Since I like the styling and the double ended execution of the Crusader, I've been gathering what I need to make freelance version of it. I'm repurposing a Mantua Pacific I got ages ago for under $35 and have gathered all but the second observation in full length ConCor cars for a longer version of the train. One or two ConCor shells will become the needed fluted sides for the engine and tender. So far I've spent well under $50 for the cars.
I've got some very comfortable looking high back modern chairs that are long out of production that I'll be recasting and using for the interior along with nearly ancient Walthers interior fittings.
I've been gathering several types of LEDs from tiny, average sized, separate, or band connected that will work for headlights, markers, and interior lights.
I should find my last observation soon.
I won't be swift at this. It's part of a general construction of assorted passenger trains and D.M.U.s, all the LEDs and interior parts are to be common to them.
I'll run my Crusader before I fit in the interiors. But with DCC sound and the lighting on-board.
I need to be frugal where possible. The cost of a commercial Crusader became an excellent higher end PC for me instead.
A retooled and updated older Mantua Pacific under the Crusader shroud will do just fine for me along with previously owned ConCor passenger cars.
I don't need the Reading Crusader when a freelanced Crusader works just as well for me.
Of course I would like the new release, but my bank accounts are not so large that buying it is insignificant. Which is the metric I have to judge that purchase by.
The promise of making my own interiors from casting of long out of production originals used in anything I later build or rebuild at a low cost makes this approach very appealing to me.?
For me, there is a great advantage in building or modding my own.
Now if I get a good lottery win, then I'll buy some of those Crusaders sets....... And a nice quite large basement to operate them in.
Although..... I'd still want to build my versions of them....
Mike Bauers
On Jan 26, 2013, at 9:33 PM, Walter Bayer II < bayerw2@...> wrote:
Gents, But we are talking about today's dollars. Remember how many bags of groceries you could buy for $100 twenty years ago verses how few today? A huge difference, mon ami. Factor in that the quality of the plastic model then was much lower than today's. CC is a good example.
Walter On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 9:28 PM, Long95209 <long95209@...> wrote:
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Denis , mon' frer' , I just don't know anymore ? No way 20 years ago , this kind of money for plastic ? Incredible . Henry H.
--- In yardbirdtrains@..., "Denis Long" wrote:
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> Hi Henry,
>
> Went to the C-C site and reminded myself that these are MSRP $749. They
> stated they were nearly sold out in November, at a special $599. So, don't
> know what is actually available. Checked with a couple of
> retailers---didn't list them. Sound unit will cost $75.
>
>
>
> Could you have imagined you would be paying this kind of money for a plastic
> set 20 years ago?
>
>
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> Denis
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Hello Mike:
Try this, since you are freelancing, why not this...
Instead of buying the Con-Cor set of cars, the IHC/AHM set is pretty common at "train shows" or e-bay at about $10 each. You can buy their generic interiors for a little more, and light them as you wish.
And, instead of a steam locomotive, get your favorite F-unit passenger engine, paint it black, decal it with the proper decals (find them on e-bay, you said you have plenty of time, no?). I believe the road nimbers were 900 to 907. I know 902 still exists.
So what do you think?, J.A.F.
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I'm not one to buy the set at that price. I'm not upset in any manner about it. I just won't pay that much for an engine and five cars in plastic.
Since I like the styling and the double ended execution of the Crusader, I've been gathering what I need to make freelance version of it. I'm repurposing a Mantua Pacific I got ages ago for under $35 and have gathered all but the second observation in full length ConCor cars for a longer version of the train. One or two ConCor shells will become the needed fluted sides for the engine and tender. So far I've spent well under $50 for the cars.
I've got some very comfortable looking high back modern chairs that are long out of production that I'll be recasting and using for the interior along with nearly ancient Walthers interior fittings.
I've been gathering several types of LEDs from tiny, average sized, separate, or band connected that will work for headlights, markers, and interior lights.
I should find my last observation soon.
I won't be swift at this. It's part of a general construction of assorted passenger trains and D.M.U.s, all the LEDs and interior parts are to be common to them.
I'll run my Crusader before I fit in the interiors. But with DCC sound and the lighting on-board.
I need to be frugal where possible. The cost of a commercial Crusader became an excellent higher end PC for me instead.
A retooled and updated older Mantua Pacific under the Crusader shroud will do just fine for me along with previously owned ConCor passenger cars.
I don't need the Reading Crusader when a freelanced Crusader works just as well for me.
Of course I would like the new release, but my bank accounts are not so large that buying it is insignificant. Which is the metric I have to judge that purchase by.
The promise of making my own interiors from casting of long out of production originals used in anything I later build or rebuild at a low cost makes this approach very appealing to me.
For me, there is a great advantage in building or modding my own.
Now if I get a good lottery win, then I'll buy some of those Crusaders sets....... And a nice quite large basement to operate them in.
Although..... I'd still want to build my versions of them....
Mike Bauers
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On Jan 26, 2013, at 9:33 PM, Walter Bayer II wrote:
Gents,
But we are talking about today's dollars. Remember how many bags of groceries you could buy for $100 twenty years ago verses how few today? A huge difference, mon ami.
Factor in that the quality of the plastic model then was much lower than today's. CC is a good example.
Walter
On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 9:28 PM, Long95209 wrote:
Denis , mon' frer' , I just don't know anymore ? No way 20 years ago , this kind of money for plastic ? Incredible . Henry H.
--- In yardbirdtrains@..., "Denis Long" wrote:
Hi Henry,
Went to the C-C site and reminded myself that these are MSRP $749. They
stated they were nearly sold out in November, at a special $599. So, don't
know what is actually available. Checked with a couple of
retailers---didn't list them. Sound unit will cost $75.
Could you have imagined you would be paying this kind of money for a plastic
set 20 years ago?
Denis
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I agree.
I choose the ConCor cars because they are full-length and I've been getting them for about $5 each in small batches. It really a selection of the fluting that appealed to me.
I do have this half of an idea for a diesel powered train. But that socketed in the end of the tender lead observation in a train set that never needs to be turned just has to be modeled.
By random selection I got sets of ConCor cars that have an Observation dome instead of a no-dome observation. I don't yet have my second observation. It will have to be either two of the no-dome versions or a matching dome observation.
You have me thinking of what a diesel set with a socket for the lead observation should be like. Working with what I have on the shelf, that could be based on an old Athearn SD-45 chassis with a Full-cab passenger engine body and a matching C-C 'B' with the socket on the end of the unit for the train-set.
I'd prefer it to have the nose and profile of the Baldwin-GE b-b+b-b turbine of the late '40's.
The SD-45 frame should be long enough for a supposed turbine and I am getting this glimmer of how it would look with the lower body done in gleaming fluting like the CB&Q E-5's, but with an upper section done mostly in royal blue........ and screaming turbine sound units..... ah, muffled sound units..... And instead of wimpy 'A-1-A' trucks of the passenger engines of the era, it will have full powered 'C' trucks !
Well, there's no reason why I can't build two engines for the train-set, one steam and one turbine.....
Since I do want the Baldwin Turbine one day, it would be good thing to template up the front end and the profile of the body for the New Crusader......
I think it would be smart of me to vac-u-form the trim for the engines instead of seeking out four bodies for the job. Unless I find the bodies.......
What can I say? I do so enjoy this sort of creative dreaming.
Best to ya...
Mike Bauers
Milwaukee, Wi, USA
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On Jan 27, 2013, at 10:29 AM, "Mr. Common Sense" <daddy8083@...> wrote: Hello Mike:
Try this, since you are freelancing, why not this...
Instead of buying the Con-Cor set of cars, the IHC/AHM set is pretty common at "train shows" or e-bay at about $10 each. You can buy their generic interiors for a little more, and light them as you wish.
And, instead of a steam locomotive, get your favorite F-unit passenger engine, paint it black, decal it with the proper decals (find them on e-bay, you said you have plenty of time, no?). I believe the road nimbers were 900 to 907. I know 902 still exists.
So what do you think?, J.A.F.
--- In yardbirdtrains@..., Mike Bauers wrote:
I'm not one to buy the set at that price. I'm not upset in any manner about it. I just won't pay that much for an engine and five cars in plastic.
Since I like the styling and the double ended execution of the Crusader, I've been gathering what I need to make freelance version of it. I'm repurposing a Mantua Pacific I got ages ago for under $35 and have gathered all but the second observation in full length ConCor cars for a longer version of the train. One or two ConCor shells will become the needed fluted sides for the engine and tender. So far I've spent well under $50 for the cars.
I've got some very comfortable looking high back modern chairs that are long out of production that I'll be recasting and using for the interior along with nearly ancient Walthers interior fittings.
I've been gathering several types of LEDs from tiny, average sized, separate, or band connected that will work for headlights, markers, and interior lights.
I should find my last observation soon.
I won't be swift at this. It's part of a general construction of assorted passenger trains and D.M.U.s, all the LEDs and interior parts are to be common to them.
I'll run my Crusader before I fit in the interiors. But with DCC sound and the lighting on-board.
I need to be frugal where possible. The cost of a commercial Crusader became an excellent higher end PC for me instead.
A retooled and updated older Mantua Pacific under the Crusader shroud will do just fine for me along with previously owned ConCor passenger cars.
I don't need the Reading Crusader when a freelanced Crusader works just as well for me.
Of course I would like the new release, but my bank accounts are not so large that buying it is insignificant. Which is the metric I have to judge that purchase by.
The promise of making my own interiors from casting of long out of production originals used in anything I later build or rebuild at a low cost makes this approach very appealing to me.
For me, there is a great advantage in building or modding my own.
Now if I get a good lottery win, then I'll buy some of those Crusaders sets....... And a nice quite large basement to operate them in.
Although..... I'd still want to build my versions of them....
Mike Bauers
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 26, 2013, at 9:33 PM, Walter Bayer II wrote:
Gents,
But we are talking about today's dollars. Remember how many bags of groceries you could buy for $100 twenty years ago verses how few today? A huge difference, mon ami.
Factor in that the quality of the plastic model then was much lower than today's. CC is a good example.
Walter
On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 9:28 PM, Long95209 wrote:
Denis , mon' frer' , I just don't know anymore ? No way 20 years ago , this kind of money for plastic ? Incredible . Henry H.
--- In yardbirdtrains@..., "Denis Long" wrote:
Hi Henry,
Went to the C-C site and reminded myself that these are MSRP $749. They
stated they were nearly sold out in November, at a special $599. So, don't
know what is actually available. Checked with a couple of
retailers---didn't list them. Sound unit will cost $75.
Could you have imagined you would be paying this kind of money for a plastic
set 20 years ago?
Denis
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And I'd better look into those interior inserts.
Thanks,
Best to ya...
Mike Bauers
Milwaukee, Wi, USA
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On Jan 27, 2013, at 10:29 AM, "Mr. Common Sense" <daddy8083@...> wrote: Hello Mike:
Try this, since you are freelancing, why not this...
Instead of buying the Con-Cor set of cars, the IHC/AHM set is pretty common at "train shows" or e-bay at about $10 each. You can buy their generic interiors for a little more, and ....
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Hi ya' Mike . Didn't there ussta' be a manufacturer of dome inserts , and Seats ? Pikestuff 'mebbe ? Their Budd Dome insert part was really sweet . Or did the GodFather of the hobby buy that too ? Hey ? I haven't seen a Walthers Catalog in years . Lots of stuff went under or got bought up by them ? Henry
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And I'd better look into those interior inserts.
Thanks,
Best to ya...
Mike Bauers
Milwaukee, Wi, USA
On Jan 27, 2013, at 10:29 AM, "Mr. Common Sense" wrote:
Hello Mike:
Try this, since you are freelancing, why not this...
Instead of buying the Con-Cor set of cars, the IHC/AHM set is pretty common at "train shows" or e-bay at about $10 each. You can buy their generic interiors for a little more, and ....
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There's a couple-three on ebay
now....kinda pricy at $21 I think, but available.....
Tom Knowles
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And I'd better look into those interior inserts.
Thanks,
Best to ya...
Mike Bauers
Milwaukee, Wi, USA
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> Hello Mike:
> Try this, since you are freelancing, why not this...
>
> Instead of buying the Con-Cor set of cars, the
IHC/AHM set is pretty common at "train shows" or e-bay at
about $10 each. You can buy their generic interiors for a
little more, and ....
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I think I outfitted a movie house with the Pikestuff seats.
I squirreled away these really neat modern seats done in what looks like plaster from a flash in the pan hobby maker. I've not seen the like since then. But I've not looked in a Walthers catalog for a number of years either.
I'm determined to get a vac-u-form set-up to do things like those dome inserts when I can only get one and need more.
I recently bought a bench-top belt sander and a collection of hardwood sticks to make some vac-u-form patterns of this and that streamlined thing, end, or unavailable RR car roofs. Something to play with on cold winter nights.
Best to ya...
Mike Bauers
Milwaukee, Wi, USA
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On Jan 27, 2013, at 6:11 PM, "Long95209" <long95209@...> wrote: Hi ya' Mike . Didn't there ussta' be a manufacturer of dome inserts , and Seats ? Pikestuff 'mebbe ? Their Budd Dome insert part was really sweet . Or did the GodFather of the hobby buy that too ? Hey ? I haven't seen a Walthers Catalog in years . Lots of stuff went under or got bought up by them ? Henry
--- In yardbirdtrains@..., Mike Bauers wrote:
And I'd better look into those interior inserts.
Thanks,
Best to ya...
Mike Bauers
Milwaukee, Wi, USA
On Jan 27, 2013, at 10:29 AM, "Mr. Common Sense" wrote:
Hello Mike:
Try this, since you are freelancing, why not this...
Instead of buying the Con-Cor set of cars, the IHC/AHM set is pretty common at "train shows" or e-bay at about $10 each. You can buy their generic interiors for a little more, and ....
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