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Re: off topic but wanted to share anyway...
Henry
Tid' the "SEASON FOR CAR SHOWS" !! HENRY
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Re: PRR H6sb Photo
Henry
Thanks Mr. Doug ! That was great info , I knew that it wasn't a later H class . You could almost do a sorta' , kinda' from an MDC ? I just thought it was an different twist ? Thanks again . Henry
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--- In yardbirdtrains@..., Doug Kisala <dougkisala@...> wrote:
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PRR H6sb Photo
Henry, list, ? I get the digest version of our group's emails, and I can't reply to individual emails out of the digest. ? The photo you posted about is a PRR H6sb.? Late in life (circa the 1940s), some surviving H6sb engines got power reverses which shoved the right hand air tank onto the pilot deck.?? ? ? I have a copy of Edson's PRR All-Time Steam Roster.? Page 319 has information about H6sb 2898.? The engine was built by Baldwin, construction number 26820, in November 1905.? the engine was superheated in August 1914 and sold for scrap in April 1950, making it one of PRR's
longer-lived H6sb engines. ? Happily, PRR H6sb 2846 is still with us at the Railroad Museum of Pennsylvania. ? To the best of my knowledge, none of PRRs H8/H9s/H10s consolidations (along the lines of Bowser's H9s kit) got pilot mounted air tanks. ? As far as modeling the engine in HO scale, I'm not aware of any good kitbashes, in part because of the engine's 56" drivers. ? In brass, Lambert, Sunset, and Railworks imported models of the engines.? After careful budgeting, I have one of the Lambert models and one of the Railworks models. ? Doug Kisala ? ? ? |
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Re: off topic but wanted to share anyway...
开云体育On 6/22/2013 10:01 AM, Denis Long
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I wanted one, but finances limited me to a '66 Alpine -- the 4 banger.? It was still fun to drive. Jerry |
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Re: off topic but wanted to share anyway...
开云体育OK—so let’s stay off topic, for awhile. ? Sold (gave it away) my ’78 Avanti II some years ago.? Had it for 14 years.? The new owner worked hard at it, and last I heard had achieved a third place in a show. ? Have been driving my ’97 Trans Am convertible since then.? What a fun car.? I have been looking into one of those performance ‘chips’ to tune the ECU, using the OBD2 port.? Supposed to have advantages over many of the other tuners, and is not permanent.? Anyone have any thoughts as to what kind of a gain I might see? Denis ? |
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Hey guys ! ON topic ?
Henry
I came across a photo that lit me up ? You PRR modelers will love this one ! In the new photos ? PRR H class 2-8-0 with what looks like an L1a pilot and air tank customised . www.northeast.railfan.net/images/prr2898s.jpg . Click on updates , 6-21 . And single phase air pump , hogger's side ? Henry
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Re: off topic but wanted to share anyway...
I HAD A 66 TIGER I'VE GOT SMALL HANDS I COULD CHANGE THE RIGHT BACK PLUG FROM OUTSIDE THE CAR, JUST HAD FEEL AROUND FOR THE HOLE
From: Henry
To: yardbirdtrains@... Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 6:15 PM Subject: [yardbirdtrains] Re: off topic but wanted to share anyway... ?
Headers ? Stangs or Torinos ? A real fun endeavor ? Those heaaders have a lot of "stuff" to clear . Best of luck , it will test you Sean . Stay strong ! There was only one more clutter engine compartment that I ever saw than yours . Sunbeam Tiger 260 V-8 . you had to get at it from inside the car . Henry --- In mailto:yardbirdtrains%40yahoogroups.com, Victor Bitleris wrote: > > I do not envy you and I am gritting my teeth just imagining what you had to do to get the headers on. I do know about installing headers and I have never seen an easy installation. Yours sounds a bit worse than most, and most are a royal pain at best. We built up a 1961 Ford once with a 352 (big block) and put on some Belanger headers. I was about 17 at the time and painted the headers with heat proof white paint, because I thought that made them look really cool. Well I was silly and thought the headers would pretty much slide in. Hahahahaha. Boy, did I learn. When the headers, starter and other items were installed, the headers no longer looked so white and pretty and had a lot of dirty hand prints on them. We even started with a nice clean engine. I could not imagine ever having to take them off again. I do believe we installed all of the bolts, although I was considering skipping one or two of the tough ones. As I recall some of the bolts needed to be inserted PRIOR to fitting the headers in position.Thanks for reminding me why I no longer work on cars. VBG.Regards > Vic Bitleris > Raleigh, NC > > To: mailto:yardbirdtrains%40yahoogroups.com > From: a69mustang4me@... > Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 13:22:39 -0700 > Subject: Re: [yardbirdtrains] Re: off topic but wanted to share anyway... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Vic,The 351 is the same block, basically, as the 302. It is still considered a small block... but let me tell you this... > Fitting the competition headers, clutch pedal linkage and the power steering all into that space provided left no room for anything else. It is so tight, you have to jack up the motor, and turn it on the passenger side, > with the header attached, in order to fit the driver side header on. Makes it impossible to coat the headers with anything before installation. They are not going to look pretty, but at least they now fit and work! It took three different sets of headers and approx 10 per-fit applications of those headers before they finally fit without touching anything! Sean > > "If everything seems under control, you're not going fast enough!" - Mario Andretti! > From: Victor Bitleris > To: "mailto:yardbirdtrains%40yahoogroups.com" <mailto:yardbirdtrains%40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 3:50 PM > Subject: RE: [yardbirdtrains] Re: off topic but wanted to share anyway... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would have thought a Borg Warner T-10 would have been used? Because the Windsor was the big block, right? Oh well by then Ford had home grown trannies.I just saw a really really nice 1966 with a 289 and 4-speed with the old style reverse lockout at the Ford Dealer this morning. It also had the really nice (expensive) wheels on it. I think the Ford dealer will be giving it away during some kind of promotion. It sure was in better shape than my poor 6 cylinder 1966 ever was. My wife made me get rid of mine, because as you said..."Restoring a 40+ year old car from the ground up is not for the faint of heart or impatient." :o) She understood that I really wanted to play trains more than I wanted to work on the car. She was right. > Regards, > Vic Bitleris > Raleigh, NC > > To: mailto:yardbirdtrains%40yahoogroups.com > From: a69mustang4me@... > Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 12:44:26 -0700 > Subject: Re: [yardbirdtrains] Re: off topic but wanted to share anyway... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks guys on the compliments! As soon as I get it mobile, I'll post a video of that too. > It has been a long hard road getting it to this point. Restoring a 40+ year old car from the ground up is not for the faint of heart or impatient. There are a lot of decisions, expenses and sacrifices that go into it. You defiantly can't do it for the money or profit... there is none! > To answer someone's question... it is a 351 Windsor with a 4-speed toploader manual transmission. It is an original '69 mustang trans (not to this car) and super rare trans. It made for finding headers to fit a nightmare! > Sean > > "If everything seems under control, you're not going fast enough!" - Mario Andretti! > |
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Re: off topic but wanted to share anyway...
Henry
Headers ? Stangs or Torinos ? A real fun endeavor ? Those heaaders have a lot of "stuff" to clear . Best of luck , it will test you Sean . Stay strong ! There was only one more clutter engine compartment that I ever saw than yours . Sunbeam Tiger 260 V-8 . you had to get at it from inside the car . Henry
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Fw: Skunk Train apparently saved by Save the Redwoods League
----- Forwarded Message ----- From: john huckaby
To: doug fountain ; jim reynolds ; kieth brownfield ; mike bording ; ted oldenburg Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 4:56 PM Subject: Fw: Skunk Train apparently saved by Save the Redwoods League ?
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From: Thomas Cockle
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 6:36 AM
To: John Huckaby
Subject: Skunk Train apparently saved by Save the Redwoods League ? |
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Re: off topic but wanted to share anyway...
On Jun 19, 2013, at 8:11 PM, "kbkchooch" <kbkchooch@...> wrote:
I do think the confusion over big and small blocks here centers on the 262,312,352 motor, which was neither a big block or small block V8, but was a Y block engine. We had one in Dad's old 56 F series 1 ton flatbed.I had a '54 Ford convertible when I was in high school. I think that it was rated at about 80 hp. But it sure hauled the chicks. <G> Jerry |
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Re: off topic but wanted to share anyway...
kbkchooch
Sean All this talk about 69 Mustangs and header issues are making me miss my herd of Stangs. At one point we had a 66 6 cyl. Coupe (Moms), a 67 289 Coupe (Dads), ?a 69 302 Grande (mine) ?a 69 351 Grande (Mine), a 73 Mach 1, 429, (mine),A 70 coupe (Sisters), not to mention a 75 gran Torino (Moms) and Dad's 76 460 F150. ?At the age of 17 I was in charge of all the maintenance on the cars, and they kept me busy, or as my Dad said,, out of trouble. ?Little did he know!? Ahhh, memories!?  I do think the confusion over big and small blocks here centers on the 262,312,352 motor, which was neither a big block or small block V8, but was a Y block engine. We had one in Dad's old 56 F series 1 ton flatbed. Karl
--- In yardbirdtrains@..., Sean Naylor wrote:
> > Hi Vic, > The 351 is the same block, basically, as the 302. It is still considered a small block... but let me tell you this... > > Fitting the competition headers, clutch pedal linkage and the power steering all into that space provided left no room for anything else. It is so tight, you have to jack up the motor, and turn it on the passenger side, with the header attached, in order to fit the driver side header on. Makes it impossible to coat the headers with anything before installation. They are not going to look pretty, but at least they now fit and work! It took three different sets of headers and approx 10 per-fit applications of those headers before they finally fit without touching anything! > ?? > Sean > > > "If everything seems under control, you're not going fast enough!" - Mario Andretti! > > > ________________________________ > From: Victor Bitleris bitlerisvj@... > To: "yardbirdtrains@..." yardbirdtrains@... > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 3:50 PM > Subject: RE: [yardbirdtrains] Re: off topic but wanted to share anyway... > > > > ?? > I would have thought a Borg Warner T-10 would have been used? ??Because the Windsor was the big block, right? ??Oh well by then Ford had home grown trannies. > I just saw a really really nice 1966 with a 289 and 4-speed with the old style reverse lockout at the Ford Dealer this morning. ??It also had the really nice (expensive) wheels on it. ??I think the Ford dealer will be giving it away during some kind of promotion. ??It sure was in better shape than my poor 6 cylinder 1966 ever was. ??My wife made me get rid of mine, because as you said..."Restoring a 40+ year old car from the ground up is not for the faint of heart or impatient." ??:o) ??She understood that I really wanted to play trains more than I wanted to work on the car. ??She was right. > Regards, > Vic Bitleris > Raleigh, NC > > > > ________________________________ > To: yardbirdtrains@... > From: a69mustang4me@... > Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 12:44:26 -0700 > Subject: Re: [yardbirdtrains] Re: off topic but wanted to share anyway... > > ?? > > > Thanks guys on the compliments! As soon as I get it mobile, I'll post a video of that too. > > It has been a long hard road getting it to this point. Restoring a 40+ year old car from the ground up is not for the faint of heart or impatient. There are a lot of decisions, expenses and sacrifices that go into it. You defiantly can't do it for the money or profit... there is none! > > To answer someone's question... it is a 351 Windsor with a 4-speed toploader manual transmission. It is an original '69 mustang trans (not to this car) and super rare trans. It made for finding headers to fit a nightmare! > ?? > > Sean > > > "If everything seems under control, you're not going fast enough!" - Mario Andretti! > |
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Re: off topic but wanted to share anyway...
开云体育I do not envy you and I am gritting my teeth just imagining what you had to do to get the headers on. ?I do know about installing headers and I have never seen an easy installation. ?Yours sounds a bit worse than most, and most are a royal pain at best. ?We built up a 1961 Ford once with a 352 (big block) and put on some Belanger headers. ?I was about 17 at the time and painted the headers with heat proof white paint, because I thought that made them look really cool. ?Well I was silly and thought the headers would pretty much slide in. Hahahahaha. ?Boy, did I learn. ?When the headers, starter and other items were installed, the headers no longer looked so white and pretty and had a lot of dirty hand prints on them. ?We even started with a nice clean engine. ?I could not imagine ever having to take them off again. ?I do believe we installed all of the bolts, although I was considering skipping one or two of the tough ones. ?As I recall some of the bolts needed to be inserted PRIOR to fitting the headers in position. Thanks for reminding me why I no longer work on cars. ?VBG. Regards Vic Bitleris Raleigh, NC To: yardbirdtrains@... From: a69mustang4me@... Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 13:22:39 -0700 Subject: Re: [yardbirdtrains] Re: off topic but wanted to share anyway... ? Hi Vic, The 351 is the same block, basically, as the 302. It is still considered a small block... but let me tell you this... Fitting the competition headers, clutch pedal linkage and the power steering all into that space provided left no room for anything else. It is so tight, you have to jack up the motor, and turn it on the passenger side,
with the header attached, in order to fit the driver side header on. Makes it impossible to coat the headers with anything before installation. They are not going to look pretty, but at least they now fit and work! It took three different sets of headers and approx 10 per-fit applications of those headers before they finally fit without touching anything! ? Sean "If everything seems under control, you're not going fast enough!" - Mario Andretti! From: Victor Bitleris To: "yardbirdtrains@..." Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 3:50 PM Subject: RE: [yardbirdtrains] Re: off topic but wanted to share anyway...
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I would have thought a Borg Warner T-10 would have been used? ?Because the Windsor was the big block, right? ?Oh well by then Ford had home grown trannies.
I just saw a really really nice 1966 with a 289 and 4-speed with the old style reverse lockout at the Ford Dealer this morning. ?It also had the really nice (expensive) wheels on it. ?I think the Ford dealer will be giving it away during some kind of promotion. ?It sure was in better shape than my poor 6 cylinder 1966 ever was. ?My wife made me get rid of mine, because as you said..."Restoring a 40+ year old car from the ground up is not for the faint of heart or impatient." ?:o) ?She understood that I really wanted to play trains more than I wanted to work on the car. ?She was right. Regards, Vic Bitleris Raleigh, NC To: yardbirdtrains@... From: a69mustang4me@... Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 12:44:26 -0700 Subject: Re: [yardbirdtrains] Re: off topic but wanted to share anyway... ? Thanks guys on the compliments! As soon as I get it mobile, I'll post a video of that too. It has been a long hard road getting it to this point. Restoring a 40+ year old car from the ground up is not for the faint of heart or impatient. There are a lot of decisions, expenses and sacrifices that go into it. You defiantly can't do it for the money or profit... there is none! To answer someone's question... it is a 351 Windsor with a 4-speed toploader manual transmission. It is an original '69 mustang trans (not to this car) and super rare trans. It made for finding headers to fit a nightmare! ? Sean "If everything seems under control, you're not going fast enough!" - Mario Andretti! |
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Re: off topic but wanted to share anyway...
Tom Knowles
开云体育The Windor 351 was based on the small
block 221, 260, 289, 302, with a higher deck to acomodate the
longer stroke. I have experience with the 302 down, and the 351
Cleveland, all are great motors. The Big block was 332, 352, 370,
390, etc basically a truck motor but made it to NASCAR as 390,
406, 427. I had a 352 hopped up and it ran really well!
Guess most of us old train guys are car buffs too! Tom Knowles NOTE NEW ADDRESS: tomk@...On 6/18/2013 2:50 PM, Victor Bitleris wrote: ??? |
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Re: off topic but wanted to share anyway...
Tom Knowles
开云体育I thought it sounded like headers, open
as yet....
I am tossing around an offer from a local restorer: he has all the parts I need to assemble an '30 A-V8 pickup for cheap (relatively) The prob is, the RR museum and my age and no real place to work on cars anymore..... All the half-finished Metal Steamers and ancient Diesels in boxes around the workbench are grumbling..... Tom KnowlesOn 6/18/2013 2:44 PM, Sean Naylor wrote: ? |
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Re: off topic but wanted to share anyway...
Hi Vic, The 351 is the same block, basically, as the 302. It is still considered a small block... but let me tell you this... Fitting the competition headers, clutch pedal linkage and the power steering all into that space provided left no room for anything else. It is so tight, you have to jack up the motor, and turn it on the passenger side,
with the header attached, in order to fit the driver side header on. Makes it impossible to coat the headers with anything before installation. They are not going to look pretty, but at least they now fit and work! It took three different sets of headers and approx 10 per-fit applications of those headers before they finally fit without touching anything! ? Sean "If everything seems under control, you're not going fast enough!" - Mario Andretti! From: Victor Bitleris <bitlerisvj@...> To: "yardbirdtrains@..." Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 3:50 PM Subject: RE: [yardbirdtrains] Re: off topic but wanted to share anyway...
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I would have thought a Borg Warner T-10 would have been used? ?Because the Windsor was the big block, right? ?Oh well by then Ford had home grown trannies.
I just saw a really really nice 1966 with a 289 and 4-speed with the old style reverse lockout at the Ford Dealer this morning. ?It also had the really nice (expensive) wheels on it. ?I think the Ford dealer will be giving it away during some kind of promotion. ?It sure was in better shape than my poor 6 cylinder 1966 ever was. ?My wife made me get rid of mine, because as you said..."Restoring a 40+ year old car from the ground up is not for the faint of heart or impatient." ?:o) ?She understood that I really wanted to play trains more than I wanted to work on the car. ?She was right. Regards, Vic Bitleris Raleigh, NC To: yardbirdtrains@... From: a69mustang4me@... Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 12:44:26 -0700 Subject: Re: [yardbirdtrains] Re: off topic but wanted to share anyway... ? Thanks guys on the compliments! As soon as I get it mobile, I'll post a video of that too. It has been a long hard road getting it to this point. Restoring a 40+ year old car from the ground up is not for the faint of heart or impatient. There are a lot of decisions, expenses and sacrifices that go into it. You defiantly can't do it for the money or profit... there is none! To answer someone's question... it is a 351 Windsor with a 4-speed toploader manual transmission. It is an original '69 mustang trans (not to this car) and super rare trans. It made for finding headers to fit a nightmare! ? Sean "If everything seems under control, you're not going fast enough!" - Mario Andretti! |
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Re: off topic but wanted to share anyway...
开云体育I would have thought a Borg Warner T-10 would have been used? ?Because the Windsor was the big block, right? ?Oh well by then Ford had home grown trannies. I just saw a really really nice 1966 with a 289 and 4-speed with the old style reverse lockout at the Ford Dealer this morning. ?It also had the really nice (expensive) wheels on it. ?I think the Ford dealer will be giving it away during some kind of promotion. ?It sure was in better shape than my poor 6 cylinder 1966 ever was. ?My wife made me get rid of mine, because as you said..."Restoring a 40+ year old car from the ground up is not for the faint of heart or impatient." ?:o) ?She understood that I really wanted to play trains more than I wanted to work on the car. ?She was right. Regards, Vic Bitleris Raleigh, NC To: yardbirdtrains@... From: a69mustang4me@... Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 12:44:26 -0700 Subject: Re: [yardbirdtrains] Re: off topic but wanted to share anyway... ? Thanks guys on the compliments! As soon as I get it mobile, I'll post a video of that too. It has been a long hard road getting it to this point. Restoring a 40+ year old car from the ground up is not for the faint of heart or impatient. There are a lot of decisions, expenses and sacrifices that go into it. You defiantly can't do it for the money or profit... there is none! To answer someone's question... it is a 351 Windsor with a 4-speed toploader manual transmission. It is an original '69 mustang trans (not to this car) and super rare trans. It made for finding headers to fit a nightmare! ? Sean "If everything seems under control, you're not going fast enough!" - Mario Andretti! |
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Re: off topic but wanted to share anyway...
Thanks guys on the compliments! As soon as I get it mobile, I'll post a video of that too. It has been a long hard road getting it to this point. Restoring a 40+ year old car from the ground up is not for the faint of heart or impatient. There are a lot of decisions, expenses and sacrifices that go into it. You defiantly can't do it for the money or profit... there is none! To answer someone's question... it is a 351 Windsor with a 4-speed toploader manual transmission. It is an original '69 mustang trans (not to this car) and super rare trans. It made for finding headers to fit a nightmare! ? Sean "If everything seems under control, you're not going fast enough!" - Mario Andretti! |
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Re: Welcome to our newest members !
开云体育Thank you Henry.? I wish your son well and will pray for him daily.? You are showing some great intelligence in liking to have a Man of God with you.? Most people don't know that they need that until there is a great catastrophe...? I have seen far too much of that.Grace and Peace... Don Staton in VA ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On 6/17/2013 2:19 PM, Henry wrote:
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