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Headers ? Stangs or Torinos ? A real fun endeavor ? Those heaaders have a lot of "stuff" to clear . Best of luck , it will test you Sean . Stay strong ! There was only one more clutter engine compartment that I ever saw than yours . Sunbeam Tiger 260 V-8 . you had to get at it from inside the car . Henry

--- In mailto:yardbirdtrains%40yahoogroups.com, Victor Bitleris wrote:
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> I do not envy you and I am gritting my teeth just imagining what you had to do to get the headers on. I do know about installing headers and I have never seen an easy installation. Yours sounds a bit worse than most, and most are a royal pain at best. We built up a 1961 Ford once with a 352 (big block) and put on some Belanger headers. I was about 17 at the time and painted the headers with heat proof white paint, because I thought that made them look really cool. Well I was silly and thought the headers would pretty much slide in. Hahahahaha. Boy, did I learn. When the headers, starter and other items were installed, the headers no longer looked so white and pretty and had a lot of dirty hand prints on them. We even started with a nice clean engine. I could not imagine ever having to take them off again. I do believe we installed all of the bolts, although I was considering skipping one or two of the tough ones. As I recall some of the bolts needed to be inserted PRIOR to fitting the headers in position.Thanks for reminding me why I no longer work on cars. VBG.Regards
> Vic Bitleris
> Raleigh, NC
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> To: mailto:yardbirdtrains%40yahoogroups.com
> From: a69mustang4me@...
> Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 13:22:39 -0700
> Subject: Re: [yardbirdtrains] Re: off topic but wanted to share anyway...
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> Hi Vic,The 351 is the same block, basically, as the 302. It is still considered a small block... but let me tell you this...
> Fitting the competition headers, clutch pedal linkage and the power steering all into that space provided left no room for anything else. It is so tight, you have to jack up the motor, and turn it on the passenger side,
> with the header attached, in order to fit the driver side header on. Makes it impossible to coat the headers with anything before installation. They are not going to look pretty, but at least they now fit and work! It took three different sets of headers and approx 10 per-fit applications of those headers before they finally fit without touching anything! Sean
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> "If everything seems under control, you're not going fast enough!" - Mario Andretti!
> From: Victor Bitleris
> To: "mailto:yardbirdtrains%40yahoogroups.com" <mailto:yardbirdtrains%40yahoogroups.com>
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> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 3:50 PM
> Subject: RE: [yardbirdtrains] Re: off topic but wanted to share anyway...
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> I would have thought a Borg Warner T-10 would have been used? Because the Windsor was the big block, right? Oh well by then Ford had home grown trannies.I just saw a really really nice 1966 with a 289 and 4-speed with the old style reverse lockout at the Ford Dealer this morning. It also had the really nice (expensive) wheels on it. I think the Ford dealer will be giving it away during some kind of promotion. It sure was in better shape than my poor 6 cylinder 1966 ever was. My wife made me get rid of mine, because as you said..."Restoring a 40+ year old car from the ground up is not for the faint of heart or impatient." :o) She understood that I really wanted to play trains more than I wanted to work on the car. She was right.
> Regards,
> Vic Bitleris
> Raleigh, NC
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> To: mailto:yardbirdtrains%40yahoogroups.com
> From: a69mustang4me@...
> Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 12:44:26 -0700
> Subject: Re: [yardbirdtrains] Re: off topic but wanted to share anyway...
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> Thanks guys on the compliments! As soon as I get it mobile, I'll post a video of that too.
> It has been a long hard road getting it to this point. Restoring a 40+ year old car from the ground up is not for the faint of heart or impatient. There are a lot of decisions, expenses and sacrifices that go into it. You defiantly can't do it for the money or profit... there is none!
> To answer someone's question... it is a 351 Windsor with a 4-speed toploader manual transmission. It is an original '69 mustang trans (not to this car) and super rare trans. It made for finding headers to fit a nightmare!
> Sean
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> "If everything seems under control, you're not going fast enough!" - Mario Andretti!
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