Re: cal scale part 222 or 223 exhaust muffler
Those are blowdown mufflers.? They are piped from the front lower corner of the firebox to the top of the boiler.? Mud and sludge collect in the bottom of the firebox legs over time.? There is a valve located there that can be opened by the fireman that blows out the muck along with the steam that is released.? In many cases this blowdown is just exhausted directly out to the side of the track, which can be an obvious hazard to anyone or anything in the immediate path.? Therefore some railroads piped this up to the muffler which helped reduce the velocity of the exhaust and directed up in the air instead.? The Southern Pacific RR used a different style entirely.? Their muffler looked a bit like an inverted flower box.? The pipe from the blowdown vavle bent down 90 degrees into the muffler unit which then directed the exhaust down to the track bed.?
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From: V. Stephen Shoemaker
To: yardbirdtrains
Sent: Tue, Oct 8, 2013 10:28 am
Subject: Re: [yardbirdtrains] cal scale part 222 or 223 exhaust muffler
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Once upon a time I had a "Steam Locomotive Cyclopedia", it had a section that described different parts and there functions.
Steve
From: al43032007 <AL4303@...>
To: yardbirdtrains@...
Sent: Monday, October 7, 2013 12:52 PM
Subject: [yardbirdtrains] cal scale part 222 or 223 exhaust muffler
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Hi guys,
Question for the group. Calscale/Bowser lists this part for steam locomotives. I've looked at all my sources and the only thing I come up with is a picture on hoseeker of a mantua engine with a Mellor detailing photo. So what does the device do on locomotives and where is it located?
Thanks for the help.
Allen Wood
Chico, Ca.
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Re: cal scale part 222 or 223 exhaust muffler
Once upon a time I had a "Steam Locomotive Cyclopedia", it had a section that described different parts and there functions.
Steve
From: al43032007
To: yardbirdtrains@...
Sent: Monday, October 7, 2013
12:52 PM
Subject: [yardbirdtrains] cal scale part 222 or 223 exhaust muffler
?
Hi guys,
Question for the group. Calscale/Bowser lists this part for steam locomotives. I've looked at all my sources and the only thing I come up with is a picture on hoseeker of a mantua engine with a Mellor detailing photo. So what does the device do on locomotives and where is it located?
Thanks for the help.
Allen Wood
Chico, Ca.
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Re: Fw: that sinking feeling
I was witness to a similar incident a number of years ago. A diesel loco was restarted after preforming standard maintenance. The minute the diesel engine started up the #3 wheel set started spinning uncontrollably. The loco was quickly shut down for inspection. ?We found that #3 power contactor had welded it's contacts together. This incident happened in less than 5 minutes, but in that time span, the wheel chewed through half of the rail ball . ? ?
Steve Shoemaker
From: Nathan Rich
To: yardbirdtrains@...
Sent: Monday, October 7, 2013 4:36 PM
Subject: Re: [yardbirdtrains] Fw: that sinking feeling
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My club sets up a G gauge Christmas display every year at Freighthouse Square in Tacoma. One of the trains derailed and the locomotive ran around the loop and hit the wreck, and sat there and spun for who knows how many hours. There were eight divots in the rails just like this one from that thing sitting there and revving...
Nathan Rich
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Re: cal scale part 222 or 223 exhaust muffler
If I had to guess, I'd say it's likely an exhaust muffler for either the electro-turbine exhaust or the air pump exhaust. It could also be for the steam powered water injectors used for pumping water from the tender into the boiler.
Those turbines are real screamers.
Mike Bauers
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Re: cal scale part 222 or 223 exhaust muffler
?Finding the part on ebay, searching for Cal Scale 222 & 223, it looks similar to the muffler that would sit on top of a belpaire firebox as on an Prr I1 Decapod. As to what it is for, I'm not quite sure. I would make a guess it has to do with some kind of exhaust for the firebox. Some one else more qualified can answer the what it is for question more difintively.
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Mark
---In yardbirdtrains@..., <yardbirdtrains@...> wrote:
Hi guys,
Question for the group. Calscale/Bowser lists this part for steam locomotives. I've looked at all my sources and the only thing I come up with is a picture on hoseeker of a mantua engine with a Mellor detailing photo. So what does the device do on locomotives and where is it located?
Thanks for the help.
Allen Wood
Chico, Ca.
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Re: Fw: that sinking feeling
My club sets up a G gauge Christmas display every year at Freighthouse Square in Tacoma. One of the trains derailed and the locomotive ran around the loop and hit the wreck, and sat there and spun for who knows how many hours. There were eight divots in the rails just like this one from that thing sitting there and revving...
Nathan Rich
On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 7:43 AM, V. Stephen Shoemaker <shoemakerv@...> wrote:
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Re: Bowser Lines West Tender In Stock
Henry,
? ? ?Here's a link to page 11 of the Bowser parts catalog/ordering site. Right at the top are the four coal bunker pieces for the Lines West tender kit and all are listed as "In Stock."?
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? ? ?I have no idea, nor did I ask, why these parts, which have not been available for a few years, are suddenly in stock but I am guessing that, even though Bowser is "officially" not producing locomotive kits any longer, they do quietly maintain at least some of their inventory of parts in response to a demand for them. If they can make money by continuing to a produce a few select parts instead of maintaining their entire huge parts inventory, then why not? I remember when Bowser first announced they were ending production, they added a little note saying that loco drivers would probably be the first things to sell out however they've maintained a stock of all drivers (as far as I can tell) since then. As for me, I jumped at the Lines West parts as soon as I saw them not knowing how long their supply would last or whether there'd be any more once this current inventory runs out. ?
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From: long95209
To: yardbirdtrains
Sent: Sun, Oct 6, 2013 5:24 pm
Subject: [yardbirdtrains] RE: Bowser Lines West Tender In Stock
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?Hooray ! That's great to hear Jeff ! Give us a heads up to the location and parts numbers / ? Henry H.
---In yardbirdtrains@..., < yardbirdtrains@...> wrote:
If anyone has been looking for a Bowser Lines West Tender conversion kit, like I have been for a couple of years, the wait is over! Since Bowser stopped manufacturing steam locos several years ago, the Lines West tender kit has become scarce. I've seen a few come up on eBay and they generally get bid up to around $40 or $50 plus shipping! Youch! I have refused to get into a bidding war for what is, basically, four pieces of light cast metal, some brass stanchions and wire. Well, I no longer have to wait for a kit to come up on eBay (and then get out bid) because Bowser is stocking the parts once again! Until recently, you could buy the right side of the coal bunker only from Bowser how
ever all the individual parts of the Lines West kit are now available. The only catch is that you have to order each part separately to end up with the complete kit. I have already placed my order for the four cast metal parts minus the stanchions and wire (which I already have plenty of) Including shipping, I spent $26 and change. HAH! Take THAT Evil Bay! This will allow me to continue with my Trackside Specialties/Penn Line/Cary K-3 build which has been stalled for a couple years while I've tried to find that bunker kit. :)
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cal scale part 222 or 223 exhaust muffler
Hi guys,
Question for the group. Calscale/Bowser lists this part for steam locomotives. I've looked at all my sources and the only thing I come up with is a picture on hoseeker of a mantua engine with a Mellor detailing photo. So what does the device do on locomotives and where is it located?
Thanks for the help.
Allen Wood
Chico, Ca.
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Sent: Sunday, October 6, 2013 9:38 PM
Subject: FW: that sinking feeling
? ? Subject: Fwd: that sinking feeling ? ? This is what I call a major
wheel slip problem.
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As to wheel slip, I will try to add weight the engines or just deal with the wheel slip. I this point I don't think the locos will be pulling heavy loads. (famous last words!) Steve
From: Alan Kilby <albyrno@...>
To: "yardbirdtrains@..." Sent: Friday, October 4, 2013 11:50 AM
Subject: Re:
[yardbirdtrains] RE: Mantua Loggers
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Save the old drivers for traction tires if drivers slip you may need to put them back. ? ? Alan
From: "long95209@..." To: yardbirdtrains@...
Sent: Thursday, October
3, 2013 5:39 PM
Subject: [yardbirdtrains] RE: Mantua Loggers
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You should be able to get help snd tips for this loco , Are you missing the tires completely ? I'd replace the tires . there should be reference in the photo albums . Anyone care to jump in ? ? Henry? ---In yardbirdtrains@..., A number of years ago I bought and rat holed a pair of Mantua Logger Engine Kits. I plan to build one of them this winter. Has anyone in the group built these loggers before and, if so, what was your experience. At this time what I know is that I will replace the traction tire wheel set because of wobbling and replacing the coupling between the front and rear engines. (I subsequently purchased non traction tire wheel sets from Mantua).
Steve
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Re: Bowser Lines West Tender In Stock
?Hooray ! That's great to hear Jeff ! Give us a heads up to the location and parts numbers / ? Henry H. ---In yardbirdtrains@..., <yardbirdtrains@...> wrote: If anyone has been looking for a Bowser Lines West Tender conversion kit, like I have been for a couple of years, the wait is over! Since Bowser stopped manufacturing steam locos several years ago, the Lines West tender kit has become scarce. I've seen a few come up on eBay and they generally get bid up to around $40 or $50 plus shipping! Youch! I have refused to get into a bidding war for what is, basically, four pieces of light cast metal, some brass stanchions and wire. Well, I no longer have to wait for a kit to come up on eBay (and then get out bid) because Bowser is stocking the parts once again! Until recently, you could buy the right side of the coal bunker only from Bowser however all the individual parts of the Lines West kit are now available. The only catch is that you have to order each part separately to end up with the complete kit. I have already placed my order for the four cast metal parts minus the stanchions and wire (which I already have plenty of) Including shipping, I spent $26 and change. HAH! Take THAT Evil Bay! This will allow me to continue with my Trackside Specialties/Penn Line/Cary K-3 build which has been stalled for a couple years while I've tried to find that bunker kit. :)
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Re: Bowser Lines West Tender In Stock
?Thanks for the update on the Bowser inventory. The slow boat from China has finally came in!!! I see some of the items I've been looking for are now in stock. But they still don't have the K4/L1 boilers, though(the newer version, with no details on them). Looks like they updated the website too, since I last visited.
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Mark
---In yardbirdtrains@..., <yardbirdtrains@...> wrote:
Regarding my Bowser post: I forgot but when I post directly on the YBT site, I have to sign my name at the bottom. ?I usually get the YBT posts in my email and, if I reply to a YBT post through my email , AOL automatically signs my name at the bottom. Anyway, the Lines West post is by me. ? ??
-----Original Message----- From: jppellas <jppellas@...> To: yardbirdtrains <yardbirdtrains@...> Sent: Sat, Oct 5, 2013 11:11 am Subject: [yardbirdtrains] Bowser Lines West Tender In Stock
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If anyone has been looking for a Bowser Lines West Tender conversion kit, like I have been for a couple of years, the wait is over! Since Bowser stopped manufacturing steam locos several years ago, the Lines West tender kit has become scarce. I've seen a few come up on eBay and they generally get bid up to around $40 or $50 plus shipping! Youch! I have refused to get into a bidding war for what is, basically, four pieces of light cast metal, some brass stanchions and wire. Well, I no longer have to wait for a kit to come up on eBay (and then get out bid) because Bowser is stocking the parts once again! Until recently, you could buy the right side of the coal bunker only from Bowser however all the individual parts of the Lines West kit are now available. The only catch is that you have to order each part separately to end up with the complete kit. I have already placed my order for the four cast metal parts minus the stanchions and wire (which I already have plen ty of) Including shipping, I spent $26 and change. HAH! Take THAT Evil Bay! This will allow me to continue with my Trackside Specialties/Penn Line/Cary K-3 build which has been stalled for a couple years while I've tried to find that bunker kit. :)
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Re: Bowser Lines West Tender In Stock
Regarding my Bowser post: I forgot but when I post directly on the YBT site, I have to sign my name at the bottom. ?I usually get the YBT posts in my email and, if I reply to a YBT post through my email , AOL automatically signs my name at the bottom. Anyway, the Lines West post is by me. ? ??
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-----Original Message-----
From: jppellas
To: yardbirdtrains
Sent: Sat, Oct 5, 2013 11:11 am
Subject: [yardbirdtrains] Bowser Lines West Tender In Stock
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If anyone has been looking for a Bowser Lines West Tender conversion kit, like I have been for a couple of years, the wait is over! Since Bowser stopped manufacturing steam locos several years ago, the Lines West tender kit has become scarce. I've seen a few come up on eBay and they generally get bid up to around $40 or $50 plus shipping! Youch! I have refused to get into a bidding war for what is, basically, four pieces of light cast metal, some brass stanchions and wire. Well, I no longer have to wait for a kit to come up on eBay (and then get out bid) because Bowser is stocking the parts once again! Until recently, you could buy the right side of the coal bunker only from Bowser however all the individual parts of the Lines West kit are now available. The only catch is that you have to order each part separately to end up with the complete kit. I have already placed my order for the four cast metal parts minus the stanchions and wire (which I already have plen
ty of) Including shipping, I spent $26 and change. HAH! Take THAT Evil Bay! This will allow me to continue with my Trackside Specialties/Penn Line/Cary K-3 build which has been stalled for a couple years while I've tried to find that bunker kit. :)
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Bowser Lines West Tender In Stock
If anyone has been looking for a Bowser Lines West Tender conversion kit, like I have been for a couple of years, the wait is over! Since Bowser stopped manufacturing steam locos several years ago, the Lines West tender kit has become scarce. I've seen a few come up on eBay and they generally get bid up to around $40 or $50 plus shipping! Youch! I have refused to get into a bidding war for what is, basically, four pieces of light cast metal, some brass stanchions and wire. Well, I no longer have to wait for a kit to come up on eBay (and then get out bid) because Bowser is stocking the parts once again! Until recently, you could buy the right side of the coal bunker only from Bowser however all the individual parts of the Lines West kit are now available. The only catch is that you have to order each part separately to end up with the complete kit. I have already placed my order for the four cast metal parts minus the stanchions and wire (which I already have plenty of) Including shipping, I spent $26 and change. HAH! Take THAT Evil Bay! This will allow me to continue with my Trackside Specialties/Penn Line/Cary K-3 build which has been stalled for a couple years while I've tried to find that bunker kit. :)
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No good, the stuff wears off and gets stuck in switch frogs, use very thin o-rings for plumbing.? James
On Oct 5, 2013 9:34 AM, "Mike Van Hove" <mvanhove@...> wrote:
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> Has anyone replaced the tires with "BullFrog Snot"?
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> Mike Van Hove
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> On Oct 3, 2013, at 7:39 PM, <long95209@...> <long95209@...> wrote:
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>> You should be able to get help snd tips for this loco , Are you missing the tires completely ? I'd replace the tires . there should be reference in the photo albums . Anyone care to jump in ? ? Henry?
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>> ---In yardbirdtrains@..., <shoemakerv@...> wrote:
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>> A number of years ago I bought and rat holed a pair of Mantua Logger Engine Kits. I plan to build one of them this winter. Has anyone in the group built these loggers before and, if so, what was your experience. At this time what I know is that I will replace the traction tire wheel set because of wobbling and replacing the coupling between the front and rear engines. (I subsequently purchased non traction tire wheel sets from Mantua).
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Mine, which is quite old also and has been re-motored with a 2032 Sagami w/flywheel If I remember correctly runs and pulls quite well thank you well without the rubber wheels or Bull Sh** Snot. ? John Hagen ?
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From: yardbirdtrains@... [mailto:yardbirdtrains@...] On Behalf Of V. Stephen Shoemaker
Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 8:13 AM
To: yardbirdtrains@...
Subject: Re: [yardbirdtrains] RE: Mantua Loggers? ? When I initially purchased the Logger Kits I was aware of the wobbling problem, so I ordered different wheel sets direct from Mantua.
Good grief, that must have been 20 plus years ago!
Steve ? ? ? You should be able to get help snd tips for this loco , Are you missing the tires completely ? I'd replace the tires . there should be reference in the photo albums . Anyone care to jump in ? ? Henry?
---In yardbirdtrains@..., <shoemakerv@...> wrote:
A number of years ago I bought and rat holed a pair of Mantua Logger Engine Kits. I plan to build one of them this winter. Has anyone in the group built these loggers before and, if so, what was your experience. At this time what I know is that I will replace the traction tire wheel set because of wobbling and replacing the coupling between the front and rear engines. (I subsequently purchased non traction tire wheel sets from Mantua).
Steve ?
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Save the old drivers for traction tires if drivers slip you may need to put them back. ? ? Alan
From: "long95209@..."
To: yardbirdtrains@...
Sent: Thursday, October
3, 2013 5:39 PM
Subject: [yardbirdtrains] RE: Mantua Loggers
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You should be able to get help snd tips for this loco , Are you missing the tires completely ? I'd replace the tires . there should be reference in the photo albums . Anyone care to jump in ? ? Henry? ---In yardbirdtrains@..., wrote: A number of years ago I bought and rat holed a pair of Mantua Logger Engine Kits. I plan to build one of them this winter. Has anyone in the group built these loggers before and, if so, what was your experience. At this time what I know is that I will replace the traction tire wheel set because of wobbling and replacing the coupling between the front and rear engines. (I subsequently purchased non traction tire wheel sets from Mantua).
Steve
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Has anyone replaced the tires with "BullFrog Snot"?
Mike Van Hove
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You should be able to get help snd tips for this loco , Are you missing the tires completely ? I'd replace the tires . there should be reference in the photo albums . Anyone care to jump in ? ? Henry? ---In yardbirdtrains@..., < shoemakerv@...> wrote: A number of years ago I bought and rat holed a pair of Mantua Logger Engine Kits. I plan to build one of them this winter. Has anyone in the group built these loggers before and, if so, what was your experience. At this time what I know is that I will replace the traction tire wheel set because of wobbling and replacing the coupling between the front and rear engines. (I subsequently purchased non traction tire wheel sets from Mantua).
Steve
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When I initially purchased the Logger Kits I was aware of the wobbling problem, so I ordered different wheel sets direct from Mantua. Good grief, that must have been 20 plus years ago! Steve ?
From: "long95209@..."
To: yardbirdtrains@...
Sent: Thursday, October 3, 2013 8:39 PM
Subject:
[yardbirdtrains] RE: Mantua Loggers
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You should be able to get help snd tips for this loco , Are you missing the tires completely ? I'd replace the tires . there should be reference in the photo albums . Anyone care to jump in ? ? Henry? ---In yardbirdtrains@..., wrote: A number of years ago I bought and rat holed a pair of Mantua Logger Engine Kits. I plan to build one of them this winter. Has anyone in the group built these loggers before and, if so, what was your experience. At this time what I know is that I will replace the traction tire wheel set because of wobbling and replacing the coupling between the front and rear engines. (I subsequently purchased non traction tire wheel sets from Mantua).
Steve
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You should be able to get help snd tips for this loco , Are you missing the tires completely ? I'd replace the tires . there should be reference in the photo albums . Anyone care to jump in ? ? Henry? ---In yardbirdtrains@..., <shoemakerv@...> wrote: A number of years ago I bought and rat holed a pair of Mantua Logger Engine Kits. I plan to build one of them this winter. Has anyone in the group built these loggers before and, if so, what was your experience. At this time what I know is that I will replace the traction tire wheel set because of wobbling and replacing the coupling between the front and rear engines. (I subsequently purchased non traction tire wheel sets from Mantua).
Steve
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Jeff Pellas