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The approach for a Sub Group

 

Hola Banditos!

Good news!
Since we all were in agreemnet with the general idea of a sub group I have written to Linda Vanderlee to ask her to propose the sub group idea to Tim and Tamara.
She is happy to do this outreach!

She will try to meet with each of them one on one to see if they are willing to host teh sub group on WFN.
If so we move ahead - if not we move ahead.

Let's see what tramspires...Rob


Re: Another great siggestion form Paola - the Code of Conduct wording

 

Well - if we want to do a sub group then that is our only choice - we had said that we wanted to publish within WFN and the sub group seems to be the closest that we can get to that.

If we have to go to a separate group then I will stick with Groups.io with the explanations?I've given before.
I have done a lot of work on this and Groups.io will work just fine - all platforms have some boundaries unless one wants to go encrypted with the Nazis and other freaks.
We'll be able to publish most everything directly and then members have external blogs and links to more detailed material.

I won't spend any time looking for another platform - we have?a workable plan - people can join the plan or not - or people can indeed join this group as well as any other platform that they like - we need a focus and need to avoid?any scope-creep in this mission

On Fri, Mar 15, 2024 at 9:29?AM sean butler via <seanthesea=[email protected]> wrote:
I don't have time to look into alternatives to right now, but perhaps we should consider that, if our intention is to really have a forum where anything can be discussed in a respectful manner. I'm sure there are platforms without such arbitrary restrictions placed on it.


Re: Another great siggestion form Paola - the Code of Conduct wording

 

I don't have time to look into alternatives to groups.io right now, but perhaps we should consider that, if our intention is to really have a forum where anything can be discussed in a respectful manner. I'm sure there are platforms without such arbitrary restrictions placed on it.


If a Sub Group appeal fails

 

Hola Banditos!

I hope we can get WFN to agree to a Sub Group (more thougts on that later)

But consider thay flat out reject us - then we set up The-Bridge outside - and we have more evidence of their non-cooperative/arbitary?censorship of the community
Maybe then we could write that letter of protest? exposing their unjustified censorship (I know Sean & Vagner that you'd like to tell it like it is and so do I!)
We could tell that story on The-Bridge, blogs, Wakefield Folks on F/B and in The Low Down (by letter/ Valley Voices, a small ad)

I think it is startegic to wait and get a? Yes or No from them - that will gide our actions


Re: Another great siggestion form Paola - the Code of Conduct wording

 

Hi Guys

?I'm guessing that Groups.io is not interested?in particular?individual posts about Covis etc.?but that they don't want newsgroups dedicated?to a single issue that appear in their?list (such as Anti-Covid or White Nationalism or ...as they define their scope)

I don't think they would scan individual?posts - it is group?members?who could report egregious posts to them and then they would respond.? I think we'd be OK with that type of discussion and we do our moderating within?our group and can advise locally - but they do have the right as per terms of agreement to adjudicate?reports?and actually they?are obligated to do so by the terms of agreement.

Let's just not launch with a lot of shit that would draw attention.

Also for those people (Sean and Vagner and maybe me...) who have outside platforms - blogs - websites - podcasts - we should consider The-Bridge as a hub where we can promote and link to our spaces - space where we can go further and say more in unrestricted?fashion and at greater length.

Let's think - about optimizing launch success and hub connections in our framework for The-Bridge





Re: Here's a great suggestion form Paola - many thanks

 

hi Sean, that's why the list you quoted was followed by the words "and other meaty topics (vegan, too!) ". I do think it's worth giving people a sense of the sort of topics the new forum is being created to discuss...without being restrictive. But I can live without having any mention of topics if that's what people prefer. Cheers, Paola


Re: Another great siggestion form Paola - the Code of Conduct wording

 

I was surprised by that one too! I think that's a very valid topic for discussion. That's why I put in the bit about us (meaning the moderators) not necessarily agreeing with them all. I have no idea how the tech platform works. Maybe they have AI scanning for certain words and words strings. Maybe you get a warning before being in danger of losing your place on their platform. Probably just worth forging ahead until some sort of issue arises.


Re: Here's a great suggestion form Paola - many thanks

 

"peace and war, politics and women¡¯s rights, social justice and environmental challenges"

I wouldn't single out the topics we're going to talk about. It's too restrictive. The rest looks good!


Re: Another great siggestion form Paola - the Code of Conduct wording

 

Jeez, if it's not censorship coming from one source, it's coming from another. "No anti-vaccine ideologies"? Interesting how that one is singled out. I'll bet that was put in during Covid. How much do we really need to "respect" the group.io rules??


Another great siggestion form Paola - the Code of Conduct wording

 

Code of Conduct

Only civil contributions will be published. Be nice. No personal attacks, name calling, abusive language or hate speech.

Moderators¡¯ Role

Moderators will screen all posts, responses and reports to ensure they meet the Code of Conduct and the Tech Platform Standards. Posts ruled unacceptable will not be published. Moderators may preempt overly lengthy debates if members do not proactively move to private communication. If a member reports a concern with a post, moderators will resolve the issue by revisiting that post, communicating with the poster and reporter, occasionally communicating with the entire membership, and possibly removing the offending post or requiring alterations to it.?

Tech Platform¡¯s Standards

To use the??tech platform , members and moderators of The-Bridge must respect their standards,? even if we may not agree with all of them. The standards are: no pornography, nudity or adult content: no harassment; no copyright violations; no extreme or hateful content; no conspiracy theories; no anti-vaccination ideologies; no advertising ; no sharing of GIFs, stationary, tags, graphics or such.

Guideline for Posting

Be respectful! Use a clear, descriptive title for your posts and try to be brief (100 words or less). If you have more to say, consider including an attachment or linking to a blog, websites or other media. Avoid links to sources if you suspect their accuracy or credibility.?If overly lengthy debates arise, please move your conversation to private messaging.

Members¡¯ Tools?

Members can ignore or mute posts which do not interest them. The tech platform allows muting, and instructions on how to mute a post and any ensuing replies will be made available. Members can report posts to the moderators if they feel that what has been published fails to adhere to the Code of Conduct or Tech Platform Standards. Reports should clearly identify what portion of a post is considered objectionable, and why.?

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Re: Here's a great suggestion form Paola - many thanks

 

looks great.??


On Mon, Mar 11, 2024 at 9:05?AM robert snikkar <snikkar.paintings@...> wrote:
Good morning Rob,?
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Today I looked at Wakieleaks on my computer (instead of phone) for the first time, and there seems to be no reply button anywhere! I do hate technology ;o)?
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So please post this, if you want, so others can see¡­..Cheers, P
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I think the screen grabs are great. Good, simple, helpful tips. I believe the invite could be shorter, and more positive. Why hint at competition with the WN? Or suppressed speech? Or other things we all know have happened and are trying to move past? What about something like this of the invite?
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Cheers, Paola?
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INVITATION: You are invited to subscribe to?The-Bridge,?a new open forum for community discourse that will complement the?Wakefield News.?Based on the same tech platform, The-Bridge will resemble the look and feel of the WN, and will also be distributed regularly via email. It will focus on topics beyond the scope of the WN, forming a space where disparate views, ideas and conversations on peace and war, politics and women¡¯s rights, social justice and environmental challenges, and other meaty topics (vegan, too!) can constructively converge.

The-Bridge?will be an uncensored space, where a simple Code of Conduct applies. It will be moderated to ensure it operates in a safe, constructive manner. Join other members of your community to post and receive information on a breadth of topics, as we listen and learn from each other. Read, think, write, share, connect with your community and help build The-Bridge.


Here's a great suggestion form Paola - many thanks

 

Good morning Rob,?
?
Today I looked at Wakieleaks on my computer (instead of phone) for the first time, and there seems to be no reply button anywhere! I do hate technology ;o)?
?
So please post this, if you want, so others can see¡­..Cheers, P
?
?
I think the screen grabs are great. Good, simple, helpful tips. I believe the invite could be shorter, and more positive. Why hint at competition with the WN? Or suppressed speech? Or other things we all know have happened and are trying to move past? What about something like this of the invite?
?
Cheers, Paola?
?

INVITATION: You are invited to subscribe to?The-Bridge,?a new open forum for community discourse that will complement the?Wakefield News.?Based on the same tech platform, The-Bridge will resemble the look and feel of the WN, and will also be distributed regularly via email. It will focus on topics beyond the scope of the WN, forming a space where disparate views, ideas and conversations on peace and war, politics and women¡¯s rights, social justice and environmental challenges, and other meaty topics (vegan, too!) can constructively converge.

The-Bridge?will be an uncensored space, where a simple Code of Conduct applies. It will be moderated to ensure it operates in a safe, constructive manner. Join other members of your community to post and receive information on a breadth of topics, as we listen and learn from each other. Read, think, write, share, connect with your community and help build The-Bridge.


Re: Hugely important win: Help us keep the pressure up! / Une victoire tr¨¨s importante : Aidez-nous ¨¤ maintenir la pression !

 

Hi Rob,?

I signed the CJPME petition, thanks for reposting the link. I signed it before but I did so again today, now that it has updated to acknowledge that Ahmed Hussen has announced Canada is resuming funding to UNRWA.? ?

As you may know, CIJA (Centre for Israel and Jewish Affairs) is opposing Canada's reinstatement of UNRWA funding among other things.??





On Saturday, March 9, 2024 at 06:25:16 a.m. EST, robert snikkar <snikkar.paintings@...> wrote:


Some better news?

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Canadians for Justice and Peace in the Middle East <info@...>
Date: Fri, Mar 8, 2024 at 6:15?PM
Subject: Hugely important win: Help us keep the pressure up! / Une victoire tr¨¨s importante : Aidez-nous ¨¤ maintenir la pression !
To: Rob Snikkar <snikkar.paintings@...>


Canadians for Justice and Peace in the Middle East

La version fran?aise suit...

Dear Rob,

Just hours ago, Canada's Minister of International Development, Ahmed Hussen, announced that , the UN aid agency for Palestinian refugees. This is hugely important win, and could mean the difference between life or death for millions of Palestinians!? WE THANK EVERYONE who participated in pushing for a reinstatement of Canada's funding, and we thank Hussen for listening to Canadians!??

This decision is a hugely important policy reversal for the Canadian government, which to UNRWA on January 26 based on unsubstantiated Israeli accusations against a handful of UNRWA employees.? Against all common sense, this cut was announced on the very same day that the World Court concluded that Israel was "plausibly" committing a genocide in Gaza.

? Even if Canada has reinstated funding to UNRWA, it can still do more to Israel to allow humanitarian aid to flow freely to Palestinians in Gaza!? And other government ministers refuse to take other important steps to help the Palestinians of Gaza.? Palestinian lives are still in severe jeopardy!

Two weeks ago, CJPME and over 125 other organizations signed?an ?entitled "."? Sadly, this imperative remains, as ministers have either failed to intervene in the unfolding genocide in Gaza, or have actually made matters worse:

  • Foreign Affairs Minister M¨¦lanie Joly?has resisted calls for a ceasefire, refused to condemn Israel¡¯s violence against Palestinians, and ignored the World Court¡¯s finding of a ¡°plausible¡± genocide in Gaza;
  • Thankfully, Minister of International Development Ahmed Hussen has restored UNRWA funding.? We now expect him to work within cabinet to?call for pressuring Israel to allow funding to enter Gaza despite the life-threatening conditions faced by Gaza's civilian population
  • Minister of Immigration Marc Miller delayed a program of temporary visas for Gaza relatives of Canadians, and ultimately delivered a racist program with limited spots, and unreasonable application requirements for people in a war zone.

We cannot accept this to be Canada¡¯s legacy amid the genocide unfolding before our eyes in Gaza. Each of these Ministers have a crticial role to play.? If they cannot step up in this moment of extreme crisis and redress these errors, they should step aside.

to say, ? Even if you have already participated in this call, ? Your email is sent to these ministers, as well as your own MP.? They need to feel the heat!??

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Despite the urgency of the unfolding genocide in Gaza, Ministers Joly, Hussen, and Miller have each announced decisions which reflect little regard for Palestinian life or international law, and have shown very little situational awareness concerning the impact of their decisions. By 1) transferring weapons into a genocidal context, and 2) knowingly withdrawing support for Gaza¡¯s humanitarian infrastructure, the actions of Ministers Joly and Hussen directly violate the ICJ¡¯s orders to prevent genocide. Meanwhile, Minister Miller has put up unnecessary barriers that complicate the ability of the loved ones of Canadians to flee a context of genocidal violence.

Foreign Affairs Minister M¨¦lanie Joly - Minister Joly¡¯s failure to respond to the ICJ¡¯s initial ruling on the plausibility of genocide in Gaza demonstrates that Canada is not taking the catastrophic threat to human life seriously. Leading up to the decision, Joly expressed support for the court itself but refused to take a clear position on South Africa¡¯s application, and even its ¡°premise.¡± When asked to clarify her position, Joly responded to inquiries , as if she and the government purposely intended to be unclear. When the ICJ issued provisional measures ordering Israel to take measures to prevent genocide, Joly¡¯s did not express support for the measures nor call upon Israel to comply with the ruling. Rather than recognizing the seriousness of the ICJ¡¯s provisional ruling, her response implied that before taking action, Canada needed to wait until the ICJ¡¯s ¡°final¡± decision on genocide ¨C something that could take years. This response reflected smug indifference to the killing.?

Ultimately, Joly¡¯s silence on the ICJ¡¯s orders suggests that Canada has abandoned its commitment to international law, as well as our obligations under the Genocide Convention vis-¨¤-vis the Palestinians. Worse, the government has admitted that it has approved permits for arms exports to Israel since Oct. 7. As such, in her ministerial role, Joly has chosen not to exercise her prerogative to deny arms export permits to Israel during a plausibly genocidal campaign, thus to Israel despite the clear risk that they will be used against Palestinian civilians. In a letter to Joly, more than 30 civil society organizations have that ¡°Canada cannot at the same time signal support for the ICJ [¡­] while continuing to arm those whom the ICJ has ruled are plausibly accused of genocide."

International Development Minister Ahmed Hussen - On the same day that the ICJ ruled that Israel must increase humanitarian access to Gaza to prevent genocide, Minister Hussen announced an indefinite suspension of humanitarian aid to UNRWA, the UN agency for Palestine refugees. This reckless decision was a knee-jerk reaction to unproven Israeli claims about a few of the agency¡¯s employees, collectively punishing the 2 million people in Gaza (and four million other Palestinian refugees) who rely on the agency as a lifeline. Following Canada¡¯s announcement, UNRWA ?that its operations will collapse if its funding is not resumed, and and warned of catastrophe because of this decision.

Thankfully, Hussen has now restored Canadian funding to UNRWA.? Now Hussen must work within Cabinet to ensure that Canada pressures Israel to allow the free flow of humanitarian aid to Gaza civilians. Palestinians in Gaza increasingly face starvation, dehydration, malnutrition and the danger of epidemics of communicable disease.? Canada's inaction risks leading to mass deaths even after a ceasefire is obtained.?

Last week, Hussen suggested that Canada may join allies and try to airdrop aid into Gaza.? While any aid is welcome, to meet the current humanitarian needs in Gaza.? In fact, Canadian talk of "air drops" is a cynical "public relations" campaign.? If Canada plans to coordinate air drops into Gaza with Israel, it should have the guts to demand that Israel allow trucks to deliver aid to Gaza.? Airdrops can provide only a fraction of the aid needed in Gaza, and provide haphazard delivery to a desperate population.? Hussen's job at this point should be to insist that Israel immediately allow ground-based aid delivery to Gaza to resume at pre-Oct. 7 levels.

Immigration Minister Marc Miller ¨C Despite the massive early death toll of Palestinian civilians, it took Minister Miller over three months to launch a temporary visa program to help Palestinian-Canadian families reunite with loved ones in Gaza.? Once opened for applications, the program was found to present huge unnecessary barriers and restrictions which limit its humanitarian potential. The visa program for Gaza is reportedly one of the , with an arbitrary cap of 1,000 people causing panic and competition among Palestinian Canadians who are trying to get their loved ones out. Moreover, the application process requires , imposing a tremendous and unreasonable burden on displaced people in a war zone. Making this worse, from Minister Miller and his colleagues indicated that these restrictions are motivated by a perception that the loved ones of Palestinian Canadians are an inherent security threat.

Ultimately, Miller¡¯s visa program fails to provide the aid and protections necessary to a population facing genocide who have relatives in Canada. The limitations built into this program, and the attitude of Miller and his colleagues have resulted in a program that is entirely out-of-touch with the realities of a genocide, causes unnecessary hardship, and reflects a clear double standard when compared with similar programs assisting other populations

If these Ministers are not able to step up in this moment of extreme crisis and redress these errors, they should step aside.

Thank you!

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Cher(¨¨re) Rob,

Il y a quelques heures, le ministre canadien du d¨¦veloppement international, Ahmed Hussen, a annonc¨¦ que , l'agence d'aide des Nations unies pour les r¨¦fugi¨¦s palestiniens. Il s'agit d'une victoire extr¨ºmement importante, qui pourrait faire la diff¨¦rence entre la vie et la mort pour des millions de Palestiniens ! NOUS REMERCIONS TOUS CEUX qui ont particip¨¦ ¨¤ en faveur du r¨¦tablissement du financement canadien,?et nous remercions Hussen d'avoir ¨¦cout¨¦ les Canadiens !

Cette d¨¦cision constitue un revirement politique extr¨ºmement important pour le gouvernement canadien, qui a de l'UNRWA le 26 janvier sur la base d'accusations isra¨¦liennes non fond¨¦es ¨¤ l'encontre d'une poign¨¦e d'employ¨¦s de l'UNRWA. En d¨¦pit de tout bon sens, cette r¨¦duction a ¨¦t¨¦ annonc¨¦e le jour m¨ºme o¨´ la Cour mondiale a conclu qu'Isra?l commettait "plausiblement" un g¨¦nocide ¨¤ Gaza.

M¨ºme si le Canada a r¨¦tabli le financement de l'UNRWA, il peut encore faire davantage pour qu'Isra?l permette ¨¤ l'aide humanitaire de circuler librement vers les Palestiniens de Gaza ! D'autres ministres refusent de prendre d'autres mesures importantes pour aider les Palestiniens de Gaza. La vie des Palestiniens est toujours gravement menac¨¦e !

Il y a deux semaines, CJPMO et plus de 125 autres organisations ont sign¨¦ appelant les ministres Joly, Hussen et Miller ¨¤ "ARR?TER LE G?NOCIDE OU D?MISSIONNER". Malheureusement, cet imp¨¦ratif demeure, car chaque ministre n'est pas intervenu dans le g¨¦nocide en cours ¨¤ Gaza, ou a m¨ºme aggrav¨¦ la situation :

  • La ministre des affaires ¨¦trang¨¨res, M¨¦lanie Joly, a r¨¦sist¨¦ aux appels au cessez-le-feu, a refus¨¦ de condamner la violence d'Isra?l contre les Palestiniens et a ignor¨¦ la conclusion de la Cour mondiale selon laquelle il existe un g¨¦nocide ??plausible ? ¨¤ Gaza ;
  • Heureusement, le ministre du d¨¦veloppement international Ahmed Hussen a r¨¦tabli le financement de l'UNRWA. Nous attendons maintenant de lui qu'il travaille au sein du cabinet pour faire pression sur Isra?l afin qu'il autorise l'entr¨¦e des fonds dans la bande de Gaza, malgr¨¦ les conditions de vie mena?antes auxquelles est confront¨¦e la population civile de Gaza;
  • Le ministre de l'immigration Marc Miller a retard¨¦ un programme de visas temporaires pour les parents de Canadiens vivant ¨¤ Gaza, et a finalement mis en place un programme raciste avec des places limit¨¦es et des exigences de demande d¨¦raisonnables pour les personnes se trouvant dans une zone de guerre.

Nous ne pouvons accepter que cela soit l'h¨¦ritage du Canada au milieu du g¨¦nocide qui se d¨¦roule sous nos yeux ¨¤ Gaza. Si ces ministres ne peuvent pas intervenir en ce moment de crise extr¨ºme et r¨¦parer ces erreurs, ils doivent se retirer.

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Malgr¨¦ l'urgence du g¨¦nocide en cours ¨¤ Gaza, les ministres Joly, Hussen et Miller ont chacun annonc¨¦ des d¨¦cisions qui refl¨¨tent peu de consid¨¦ration pour la vie des Palestiniens ou le droit international, et ont montr¨¦ tr¨¨s peu de conscience de la situation concernant l'impact de leurs d¨¦cisions. En 1) transf¨¦rant des armes dans un contexte de g¨¦nocide et 2) en retirant sciemment leur soutien ¨¤ l'infrastructure humanitaire de Gaza, les actions des ministres Joly et Hussen violent directement les ordres de la CIJ visant ¨¤ pr¨¦venir le g¨¦nocide. Pendant ce temps, le ministre Miller a mis en place des barri¨¨res inutiles qui compliquent la capacit¨¦ des proches des Canadiens ¨¤ fuir un contexte de violence g¨¦nocidaire.

M¨¦lanie Joly, ministre des Affaires ¨¦trang¨¨res - L'absence de r¨¦action de la ministre Joly ¨¤ la d¨¦cision initiale de la CIJ sur la plausibilit¨¦ d'un g¨¦nocide ¨¤ Gaza montre que le Canada ne prend pas au s¨¦rieux la menace catastrophique qui p¨¨se sur la vie humaine. Avant la d¨¦cision, Mme Joly a exprim¨¦ son soutien ¨¤ la Cour elle-m¨ºme, mais a refus¨¦ de prendre une position claire sur la requ¨ºte de l'Afrique du Sud, et a m¨ºme ses ? pr¨¦misses ?. Lorsqu'on lui a demand¨¦ de clarifier sa position, Mme Joly a r¨¦pondu aux questions , comme si elle et le gouvernement voulaient d¨¦lib¨¦r¨¦ment manquer de clart¨¦. Lorsque la CIJ a ¨¦mis des mesures provisoires ordonnant ¨¤ Isra?l de prendre des mesures pour pr¨¦venir le g¨¦nocide, la Mme Joly n'a pas exprim¨¦ son soutien aux mesures ni appel¨¦ Isra?l ¨¤ se conformer ¨¤ la d¨¦cision. Plut?t que de reconna?tre la gravit¨¦ de la d¨¦cision provisoire de la CIJ, sa r¨¦ponse laissait entendre qu'avant d'agir, le Canada devait attendre la d¨¦cision ? finale ? de la CIJ sur le g¨¦nocide - ce qui pourrait prendre des ann¨¦es. Cette r¨¦ponse t¨¦moigne d'une indiff¨¦rence suffisante face aux massacres de Palestiniens ¨¤ grande ¨¦chelle.

En fin de compte, le silence de Mme Joly sur les ordonnances de la CIJ sugg¨¨re que le Canada a abandonn¨¦ son engagement envers le droit international, ainsi que nos obligations en vertu de la Convention sur le g¨¦nocide ¨¤ l'¨¦gard des Palestiniens. Pire encore, le gouvernement a admis avoir approuv¨¦ des permis d'exportation d'armes vers Isra?l depuis le 7 octobre. Ainsi, dans son r?le de ministre, Joly a choisi de ne pas exercer sa pr¨¦rogative de refuser des permis d'exportation d'armes ¨¤ Isra?l pendant une campagne plausiblement g¨¦nocidaire, ¨¤ Isra?l malgr¨¦ le risque ¨¦vident qu'ils soient utilis¨¦s contre des civils palestiniens. Dans une lettre adress¨¦e ¨¤ Mme Joly, plus de 30 organisations de la soci¨¦t¨¦ civile ont que ? le Canada ne peut pas ¨¤ la fois manifester son soutien ¨¤ la CIJ [...] tout en continuant ¨¤ armer ceux qui, selon la CIJ, sont plausiblement accus¨¦s de g¨¦nocide ?.

Ahmed Hussen, ministre du d¨¦veloppement international - Le jour m¨ºme o¨´ la CIJ a statu¨¦ qu'Isra?l devait accro?tre l'acc¨¨s humanitaire ¨¤ Gaza pour emp¨ºcher un g¨¦nocide, le ministre Hussen a annonc¨¦ la suspension pour une dur¨¦e ind¨¦termin¨¦e de l'aide humanitaire ¨¤ l'UNRWA, l'agence des Nations unies pour les r¨¦fugi¨¦s palestiniens. Cette d¨¦cision irr¨¦fl¨¦chie ¨¦tait une r¨¦action impulsive ¨¤ des all¨¦gations isra¨¦liennes non prouv¨¦es concernant quelques employ¨¦s de l'agence, punissant collectivement les 2 millions de personnes ¨¤ Gaza (et les 4 millions d'autres r¨¦fugi¨¦s palestiniens) qui d¨¦pendent de l'agence comme d'une bou¨¦e de sauvetage. Depuis l'annonce du Canada, l'UNRWA que ses op¨¦rations s'effondreront si son financement n'est pas r¨¦tabli, et les et les mettent en garde contre une catastrophe due ¨¤ cette d¨¦cision.

Heureusement, M. Hussen a r¨¦tabli le financement canadien de l'UNRWA. Il doit maintenant travailler au sein du Cabinet pour s'assurer que le Canada fasse pression sur Isra?l afin de permettre la libre circulation de l'aide humanitaire aux civils de Gaza. Les Palestiniens de Gaza sont de plus en plus confront¨¦s ¨¤ la famine, ¨¤ la d¨¦shydratation, ¨¤ la malnutrition et au risque d'¨¦pid¨¦mies de maladies transmissibles. L'inaction du Canada risque d'entra?ner des morts massives m¨ºme apr¨¨s l'obtention d'un cessez-le-feu.

La semaine derni¨¨re, M. Hussen a laiss¨¦ entendre que le Canada pourrait se joindre ¨¤ ses alli¨¦s et tenter de parachuter de l'aide ¨¤ Gaza. Bien que toute aide soit la bienvenue, cette solution est pour r¨¦pondre aux besoins humanitaires actuels de Gaza. En fait, le discours canadien sur les "parachutages" n'est qu'une campagne cynique de "relations publiques". Si le Canada envisage de coordonner les parachutages a¨¦riens vers Gaza avec Isra?l, il devrait avoir le courage d'exiger d'Isra?l qu'il autorise les camions ¨¤ acheminer l'aide ¨¤ Gaza. Les parachutages ne peuvent fournir qu'une fraction de l'aide n¨¦cessaire ¨¤ Gaza, et leur livraison ¨¤ une population d¨¦sesp¨¦r¨¦e se fait au hasard. ? ce stade, le travail de M. Hussen devrait consister ¨¤ insister pour qu'Isra?l autorise imm¨¦diatement la reprise de l'acheminement de l'aide terrestre ¨¤ Gaza au niveau d'avant le 7 octobre.

Ministre de l'Immigration Marc Miller - Malgr¨¦ le nombre massif de civils palestiniens tu¨¦s, il a fallu plus de trois mois au ministre Miller pour lancer un programme de visas temporaires afin d'aider les familles canado-palestiniennes ¨¤ retrouver leurs proches dans la bande de Gaza.? Une fois ouvert aux demandes, le programme s'est av¨¦r¨¦ pr¨¦senter d'¨¦normes barri¨¨res et restrictions inutiles qui limitent son potentiel humanitaire. Le programme de visas pour Gaza serait l'un des , avec un plafond arbitraire de 1 000 personnes qui provoque la panique et la concurrence parmi les Canadiens d'origine palestinienne qui tentent de faire sortir leurs proches. En outre, le processus de demande exige des , imposant un fardeau ¨¦norme et d¨¦raisonnable aux personnes d¨¦plac¨¦es dans une zone de guerre. Pour ne rien arranger, les du ministre Miller et de ses coll¨¨gues indiquent que ces restrictions sont motiv¨¦es par l'id¨¦e que les proches des Canadiens d'origine palestinienne constituent une menace inh¨¦rente pour la s¨¦curit¨¦.?

En fin de compte, le programme de visa de Miller ne fournit pas l'aide et les protections n¨¦cessaires ¨¤ une population confront¨¦e ¨¤ un g¨¦nocide et qui a des parents au Canada. Les limites de ce programme et l'attitude de M. Miller et de ses coll¨¨gues ont abouti ¨¤ un programme qui est totalement d¨¦connect¨¦ des r¨¦alit¨¦s d'un g¨¦nocide, qui cause des difficult¨¦s inutiles et qui refl¨¨te clairement une politique de deux poids deux mesures par rapport ¨¤ des programmes similaires destin¨¦s ¨¤ d'autres populations.

Si ces ministres ne sont pas en mesure d'intervenir en ce moment de crise extr¨ºme et de corriger ces erreurs, ils devraient se retirer.

Merci de votre attention

Merci de soutenir cette campagne. Chaque voix suppl¨¦mentaire fait la diff¨¦rence ! Si vous croyez en ce que CJPME fait pour influencer les m¨¦dias, les politiciens et le public, veuillez envisager de??financier ¨¤ CJPMO.?Notre travail d¨¦pend enti¨¨rement des dons priv¨¦s. Les??sont particuli¨¨rement utiles, car ils soutiennent notre travail en cours et nous permettent d'¨¦laborer des strat¨¦gies pour l'avenir. Si vous n'aimez pas faire un don par carte de cr¨¦dit, nous pouvons recevoir des virements , par t¨¦l¨¦phone (438-380-5410), ou remplir et envoyer par la poste. Nous vous remercions !

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Tom, Michael, Jason, Lynn, Alex, Fatima, Rose, Wissam et le reste de l'¨¦quipe CJPMO

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Re: Subgroup - a new solution?

 

Hi Rob,

Presenting this proposal to the Admins as from this group is a very good idea.? I like your thought of a larger group signing the proposal too, but as you suggest, someone should informally sound them out first (if Sean or someone is willing to approach them privately), since they may just decline the proposal right off the top, whether it's presented from 5 people or 50.??

Also they could feel ganged up on, if we make a proposal from 50 people without first alerting them to the idea of establishing a sub group??It would feel aggressive to them I think, sort of hostile, instead of a positive suggestion to reconcile different views and end on a collaborative action, going forward?

edythe


On Sunday, March 10, 2024 at 08:18:48 a.m. EDT, robert snikkar <snikkar.paintings@...> wrote:


Hi Sean & gang,

Sean what do you think of us asking Tim & Tamara about setting up a Sub Group?

If you like the idea we could agree on how to approach them.?
I'd be willing to write to Tim with a mutually agreed proposal but maybe you know him better.
I do not know Tamara at all.? We could all sign our names to the proposal.
Perhaps we would gather a list of signatories for this proposal.
So far I see about 50 people we could ask to join this list and we could get more before we make our appeal.

I will send the draft materials I have in a separate message - they of course will need edits if we go for the Sub Group approach - but I want to hear your comments and feedback on these.


Re: Subgroup - a new solution?

 

hi Rob, a subgroup sounds like an ideal solution. I'm sure you can present it to the admins as a win-win, especially since there would be no added work burden for them. It would probably help to have a reasonable number of people declare support for the idea via a letter or something, when you go to admins with the proposal. Good sleuthing ! Paola?


Draft materials - not ready for prime time

 

Hey Banditos,

Here are the draft materials.? Please check these out.

They will need edits for the Sub Group approach (if we go that way) and anything else you see.

Should we send out a letter to people asking iof they support the idea of a Sub Group and compile a list of signatories?
Then we could approach T & T will fullsome support.


Re: Subgroup - a new solution?

 

Hi Sean & gang,

Sean what do you think of us asking Tim & Tamara about setting up a Sub Group?

If you like the idea we could agree on how to approach them.?
I'd be willing to write to Tim with a mutually agreed proposal but maybe you know him better.
I do not know Tamara at all.? We could all sign our names to the proposal.
Perhaps we would gather a list of signatories for this proposal.
So far I see about 50 people we could ask to join this list and we could get more before we make our appeal.

I will send the draft materials I have in a separate message - they of course will need edits if we go for the Sub Group approach - but I want to hear your comments and feedback on these.


Re: Subgroup - a new solution?

 

For sure Rob, I think this is worth trying.? Sounds like a perfect solution to me.

edythe


On Saturday, March 9, 2024 at 07:19:15 a.m. EST, Vagner Castilho <vagcast@...> wrote:


seems like a good option


On Sat, Mar 9, 2024 at 6:31?AM robert snikkar <snikkar.paintings@...> wrote:
Hi guys,

Only by my fumbling research have I discovered something.

I found that WFN news has the capability of forming a subgroup.?Help Center (groups.io)
Any member of the existing WFN could choose to join either group or both.
The posts of the subgroup are separate from those of the main group.

If WFN agreed to do this we could have a "Global" subgroup (or some such name)
If they agreed to do this I would volunteer as a moderator for that with our own code of conduct.

What do you guys think?? Should we pursue this avenue?? Would you like to see this and maybe do a bit of moderating?
If you feel it's worth pursuing I can write to Tim and put it to him (I know he is supportive of my Palestine posts on FaceBook)
If he/they are williing to create a subgroup to solve the problem of censoring topics then, and only then, would I agree to meet with those moderators.

If we step up and do the moderating then people can't complain that we are labouring the moderators and don't want to work.

Please read Paula's letter in the Low Down if you haven't yet - we are waiting for the reactions to it next issue.

I will send draft materials (Invitation, Code of Conduct, How to Mute a Topic, How to Report a Post) soon for your review and input.
But since I found out about the subgrooups some of the wording may change.







Re: Subgroup - a new solution?

 

seems like a good option


On Sat, Mar 9, 2024 at 6:31?AM robert snikkar <snikkar.paintings@...> wrote:
Hi guys,

Only by my fumbling research have I discovered something.

I found that WFN news has the capability of forming a subgroup.?Help Center (groups.io)
Any member of the existing WFN could choose to join either group or both.
The posts of the subgroup are separate from those of the main group.

If WFN agreed to do this we could have a "Global" subgroup (or some such name)
If they agreed to do this I would volunteer as a moderator for that with our own code of conduct.

What do you guys think?? Should we pursue this avenue?? Would you like to see this and maybe do a bit of moderating?
If you feel it's worth pursuing I can write to Tim and put it to him (I know he is supportive of my Palestine posts on FaceBook)
If he/they are williing to create a subgroup to solve the problem of censoring topics then, and only then, would I agree to meet with those moderators.

If we step up and do the moderating then people can't complain that we are labouring the moderators and don't want to work.

Please read Paula's letter in the Low Down if you haven't yet - we are waiting for the reactions to it next issue.

I will send draft materials (Invitation, Code of Conduct, How to Mute a Topic, How to Report a Post) soon for your review and input.
But since I found out about the subgrooups some of the wording may change.







Subgroup - a new solution?

 

Hi guys,

Only by my fumbling research have I discovered something.

I found that WFN news has the capability of forming a subgroup.?Help Center (groups.io)
Any member of the existing WFN could choose to join either group or both.
The posts of the subgroup are separate from those of the main group.

If WFN agreed to do this we could have a "Global" subgroup (or some such name)
If they agreed to do this I would volunteer as a moderator for that with our own code of conduct.

What do you guys think?? Should we pursue this avenue?? Would you like to see this and maybe do a bit of moderating?
If you feel it's worth pursuing I can write to Tim and put it to him (I know he is supportive of my Palestine posts on FaceBook)
If he/they are williing to create a subgroup to solve the problem of censoring topics then, and only then, would I agree to meet with those moderators.

If we step up and do the moderating then people can't complain that we are labouring the moderators and don't want to work.

Please read Paula's letter in the Low Down if you haven't yet - we are waiting for the reactions to it next issue.

I will send draft materials (Invitation, Code of Conduct, How to Mute a Topic, How to Report a Post) soon for your review and input.
But since I found out about the subgrooups some of the wording may change.