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The approach for a Sub Group
Hola Banditos!
Good news! Since we all were in agreemnet with the general idea of a sub group I have written to Linda Vanderlee to ask her to propose the sub group idea to Tim and Tamara. She is happy to do this outreach! She will try to meet with each of them one on one to see if they are willing to host teh sub group on WFN. If so we move ahead - if not we move ahead. Let's see what tramspires...Rob |
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Re: Another great siggestion form Paola - the Code of Conduct wording
Well - if we want to do a sub group then that is our only choice - we had said that we wanted to publish within WFN and the sub group seems to be the closest that we can get to that. If we have to go to a separate group then I will stick with Groups.io with the explanations?I've given before. I have done a lot of work on this and Groups.io will work just fine - all platforms have some boundaries unless one wants to go encrypted with the Nazis and other freaks. We'll be able to publish most everything directly and then members have external blogs and links to more detailed material. I won't spend any time looking for another platform - we have?a workable plan - people can join the plan or not - or people can indeed join this group as well as any other platform that they like - we need a focus and need to avoid?any scope-creep in this mission On Fri, Mar 15, 2024 at 9:29?AM sean butler via <seanthesea=[email protected]> wrote:
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Re: Another great siggestion form Paola - the Code of Conduct wording
I don't have time to look into alternatives to groups.io right now, but perhaps we should consider that, if our intention is to really have a forum where anything can be discussed in a respectful manner. I'm sure there are platforms without such arbitrary restrictions placed on it. |
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If a Sub Group appeal fails
Hola Banditos!
I hope we can get WFN to agree to a Sub Group (more thougts on that later) But consider thay flat out reject us - then we set up The-Bridge outside - and we have more evidence of their non-cooperative/arbitary?censorship of the community Maybe then we could write that letter of protest? exposing their unjustified censorship (I know Sean & Vagner that you'd like to tell it like it is and so do I!) We could tell that story on The-Bridge, blogs, Wakefield Folks on F/B and in The Low Down (by letter/ Valley Voices, a small ad) I think it is startegic to wait and get a? Yes or No from them - that will gide our actions |
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Re: Another great siggestion form Paola - the Code of Conduct wording
Hi Guys ?I'm guessing that Groups.io is not interested?in particular?individual posts about Covis etc.?but that they don't want newsgroups dedicated?to a single issue that appear in their?list (such as Anti-Covid or White Nationalism or ...as they define their scope) I don't think they would scan individual?posts - it is group?members?who could report egregious posts to them and then they would respond.? I think we'd be OK with that type of discussion and we do our moderating within?our group and can advise locally - but they do have the right as per terms of agreement to adjudicate?reports?and actually they?are obligated to do so by the terms of agreement. Let's just not launch with a lot of shit that would draw attention. Also for those people (Sean and Vagner and maybe me...) who have outside platforms - blogs - websites - podcasts - we should consider The-Bridge as a hub where we can promote and link to our spaces - space where we can go further and say more in unrestricted?fashion and at greater length. Let's think - about optimizing launch success and hub connections in our framework for The-Bridge |
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Re: Here's a great suggestion form Paola - many thanks
hi Sean, that's why the list you quoted was followed by the words "and other meaty topics (vegan, too!) ". I do think it's worth giving people a sense of the sort of topics the new forum is being created to discuss...without being restrictive. But I can live without having any mention of topics if that's what people prefer. Cheers, Paola
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Re: Another great siggestion form Paola - the Code of Conduct wording
I was surprised by that one too! I think that's a very valid topic for discussion. That's why I put in the bit about us (meaning the moderators) not necessarily agreeing with them all. I have no idea how the tech platform works. Maybe they have AI scanning for certain words and words strings. Maybe you get a warning before being in danger of losing your place on their platform. Probably just worth forging ahead until some sort of issue arises.
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Re: Another great siggestion form Paola - the Code of Conduct wording
Jeez, if it's not censorship coming from one source, it's coming from another. "No anti-vaccine ideologies"? Interesting how that one is singled out. I'll bet that was put in during Covid. How much do we really need to "respect" the group.io rules?? |
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Another great siggestion form Paola - the Code of Conduct wording
Code of Conduct Only civil contributions will be published. Be nice. No personal attacks, name calling, abusive language or hate speech. Moderators¡¯ Role Moderators will screen all posts, responses and reports to ensure they meet the Code of Conduct and the Tech Platform Standards. Posts ruled unacceptable will not be published. Moderators may preempt overly lengthy debates if members do not proactively move to private communication. If a member reports a concern with a post, moderators will resolve the issue by revisiting that post, communicating with the poster and reporter, occasionally communicating with the entire membership, and possibly removing the offending post or requiring alterations to it.? Tech Platform¡¯s Standards To use the??tech platform , members and moderators of The-Bridge must respect their standards,? even if we may not agree with all of them. The standards are: no pornography, nudity or adult content: no harassment; no copyright violations; no extreme or hateful content; no conspiracy theories; no anti-vaccination ideologies; no advertising ; no sharing of GIFs, stationary, tags, graphics or such. Guideline for Posting Be respectful! Use a clear, descriptive title for your posts and try to be brief (100 words or less). If you have more to say, consider including an attachment or linking to a blog, websites or other media. Avoid links to sources if you suspect their accuracy or credibility.?If overly lengthy debates arise, please move your conversation to private messaging. Members¡¯ Tools? Members can ignore or mute posts which do not interest them. The tech platform allows muting, and instructions on how to mute a post and any ensuing replies will be made available. Members can report posts to the moderators if they feel that what has been published fails to adhere to the Code of Conduct or Tech Platform Standards. Reports should clearly identify what portion of a post is considered objectionable, and why.? ? |
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Re: Here's a great suggestion form Paola - many thanks
looks great.?? On Mon, Mar 11, 2024 at 9:05?AM robert snikkar <snikkar.paintings@...> wrote: Good morning Rob,? |
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Here's a great suggestion form Paola - many thanks
Good morning Rob,?
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Today I looked at Wakieleaks on my computer (instead of phone) for the first time, and there seems to be no reply button anywhere! I do hate technology ;o)?
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So please post this, if you want, so others can see¡..Cheers, P
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I think the screen grabs are great. Good, simple, helpful tips. I believe the invite could be shorter, and more positive. Why hint at competition with the WN? Or suppressed speech? Or other things we all know have happened and are trying to move past? What about something like this of the invite?
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Cheers, Paola?
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INVITATION: You are invited to subscribe to?The-Bridge,?a new open forum for community discourse that will complement the?Wakefield News.?Based on the same tech platform, The-Bridge will resemble the look and feel of the WN, and will also be distributed regularly via email. It will focus on topics beyond the scope of the WN, forming a space where disparate views, ideas and conversations on peace and war, politics and women¡¯s rights, social justice and environmental challenges, and other meaty topics (vegan, too!) can constructively converge. The-Bridge?will be an uncensored space, where a simple Code of Conduct applies. It will be moderated to ensure it operates in a safe, constructive manner. Join other members of your community to post and receive information on a breadth of topics, as we listen and learn from each other. Read, think, write, share, connect with your community and help build The-Bridge. |
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Re: Hugely important win: Help us keep the pressure up! / Une victoire tr¨¨s importante : Aidez-nous ¨¤ maintenir la pression !
Hi Rob,? I signed the CJPME petition, thanks for reposting the link. I signed it before but I did so again today, now that it has updated to acknowledge that Ahmed Hussen has announced Canada is resuming funding to UNRWA.? ? As you may know, CIJA (Centre for Israel and Jewish Affairs) is opposing Canada's reinstatement of UNRWA funding among other things.??
On Saturday, March 9, 2024 at 06:25:16 a.m. EST, robert snikkar <snikkar.paintings@...> wrote:
Some better news?
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Re: Subgroup - a new solution?
Hi Rob, Presenting this proposal to the Admins as from this group is a very good idea.? I like your thought of a larger group signing the proposal too, but as you suggest, someone should informally sound them out first (if Sean or someone is willing to approach them privately), since they may just decline the proposal right off the top, whether it's presented from 5 people or 50.?? Also they could feel ganged up on, if we make a proposal from 50 people without first alerting them to the idea of establishing a sub group??It would feel aggressive to them I think, sort of hostile, instead of a positive suggestion to reconcile different views and end on a collaborative action, going forward? edythe
On Sunday, March 10, 2024 at 08:18:48 a.m. EDT, robert snikkar <snikkar.paintings@...> wrote:
Hi Sean & gang, Sean what do you think of us asking Tim & Tamara about setting up a Sub Group? If you like the idea we could agree on how to approach them.? I'd be willing to write to Tim with a mutually agreed proposal but maybe you know him better. I do not know Tamara at all.? We could all sign our names to the proposal. Perhaps we would gather a list of signatories for this proposal. So far I see about 50 people we could ask to join this list and we could get more before we make our appeal. I will send the draft materials I have in a separate message - they of course will need edits if we go for the Sub Group approach - but I want to hear your comments and feedback on these. |
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Re: Subgroup - a new solution?
hi Rob, a subgroup sounds like an ideal solution. I'm sure you can present it to the admins as a win-win, especially since there would be no added work burden for them. It would probably help to have a reasonable number of people declare support for the idea via a letter or something, when you go to admins with the proposal. Good sleuthing ! Paola?
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Draft materials - not ready for prime time
Hey Banditos,
Here are the draft materials.? Please check these out. They will need edits for the Sub Group approach (if we go that way) and anything else you see. Should we send out a letter to people asking iof they support the idea of a Sub Group and compile a list of signatories? Then we could approach T & T will fullsome support. Invite draft DRAFT.docx
Invite draft DRAFT.docx
Code of conduct DRAFT.docx
Code of conduct DRAFT.docx
How to Mute a Topic DRAFT.docx
How to Mute a Topic DRAFT.docx
How to Report a post DRAFT.docx
How to Report a post DRAFT.docx
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Re: Subgroup - a new solution?
Hi Sean & gang,
Sean what do you think of us asking Tim & Tamara about setting up a Sub Group? If you like the idea we could agree on how to approach them.? I'd be willing to write to Tim with a mutually agreed proposal but maybe you know him better. I do not know Tamara at all.? We could all sign our names to the proposal. Perhaps we would gather a list of signatories for this proposal. So far I see about 50 people we could ask to join this list and we could get more before we make our appeal. I will send the draft materials I have in a separate message - they of course will need edits if we go for the Sub Group approach - but I want to hear your comments and feedback on these. |
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Re: Subgroup - a new solution?
For sure Rob, I think this is worth trying.? Sounds like a perfect solution to me. edythe
On Saturday, March 9, 2024 at 07:19:15 a.m. EST, Vagner Castilho <vagcast@...> wrote:
seems like a good option On Sat, Mar 9, 2024 at 6:31?AM robert snikkar <snikkar.paintings@...> wrote: Hi guys, |
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Re: Subgroup - a new solution?
seems like a good option On Sat, Mar 9, 2024 at 6:31?AM robert snikkar <snikkar.paintings@...> wrote: Hi guys, |
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Subgroup - a new solution?
Hi guys,
Only by my fumbling research have I discovered something. I found that WFN news has the capability of forming a subgroup.?Help Center (groups.io) Any member of the existing WFN could choose to join either group or both. The posts of the subgroup are separate from those of the main group. If WFN agreed to do this we could have a "Global" subgroup (or some such name) If they agreed to do this I would volunteer as a moderator for that with our own code of conduct. What do you guys think?? Should we pursue this avenue?? Would you like to see this and maybe do a bit of moderating? If you feel it's worth pursuing I can write to Tim and put it to him (I know he is supportive of my Palestine posts on FaceBook) If he/they are williing to create a subgroup to solve the problem of censoring topics then, and only then, would I agree to meet with those moderators. If we step up and do the moderating then people can't complain that we are labouring the moderators and don't want to work. Please read Paula's letter in the Low Down if you haven't yet - we are waiting for the reactions to it next issue. I will send draft materials (Invitation, Code of Conduct, How to Mute a Topic, How to Report a Post) soon for your review and input. But since I found out about the subgrooups some of the wording may change. |