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Phil, thanks?for posting this and for pointing to the comments section.? This was really enjoyable to see -- although some of the comments leave a little to be desired.
I can understand that someone in the UK would find Montana or Idaho or the Columbia River Gorge to be a bit challenging, from a shadow perspective, not having normally to deal with very high geographic features. Looks like I will have an opportunity to ride to a relatively high point with very high trestles and vertical drops in the White Mountains in New Hampshire on Sunday -- have to be prepared for snow, though.? One never knows what to expect at this time of year. Regards, Dave.
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Mountains-of-the-Sky Photography, Amesbury MA?? 01913 USA
Email:? ?dsaums@...?????????????? Tel:??978?479 7474????????????? Editor, Rutland Railroad Historical?Society "Newsliner" Quarterly Magazine???? ??????????????????? Web:? ??? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Phil Burton <philip-b@...>
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2022 3:43 PM To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: [ObservationCar] about Justin Franz ?
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Sure..... I believe him :)
BTW - Drones are trespassing, in this country (Canada) when you
are flying them over rail yards.. drones are probably the worst
offenders for rules violations...
But then again, photographers don't care as long as the shot is
in hand :) Drones are probably? among the worst offenders these
days given you can fly in, and out of many places , including
private infrastructure and airspace without being detected (so
far, that's also subject to change).
- Steve
On 10/20/2022 4:34 PM, Dave Saums
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Rail photography is not always easy, and each person seems to have their own ideas on what to them is a great shot. I have seen great drone shots and poor ones, and I think there is just as much skill in producing a great drone shot as there is in getting a great ground level shot. I prefer ground level shots and seem to have settled on my own criteria; daylight through the wheels, all or most of the train in the frame, plain foreground and a landscape background that is typical of the location. Of course the rule is there to be broken. I didn't think Justin's image was a great one, I would have taken it from a lower position but that is just me, Justin and many others like it and that is good.
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Steve, I would disagree.? This past Sunday, I was out with a friend and we had a discussion about railroad photography, specifically about not posting any photography where it is evident that there is a rules violation.?? (We were chasing
a branch movement and the ditch lights were not on.) That is hardly the first discussion on that topic.
My own rule is not photographing crewmen getting on or off equipment, as another example.
Asking permission is another.
I do not know about drone rules, though -- I do not own one.
Dave
Amesbury MA USA
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"Never trespass and be careful"
Sure..... I believe him :)
BTW - Drones are trespassing, in this country (Canada) when you are flying them over rail yards.. drones are probably the worst offenders for rules violations...
But then again, photographers don't care as long as the shot is in hand :) Drones are probably? among the worst offenders these days given you can fly in, and out of many places , including private infrastructure
and airspace without being detected (so far, that's also subject to change).
- Steve
On 10/20/2022 4:34 PM, Dave Saums wrote:
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Why not belive him? ? I did photography professionally / as a business for most of my life.? (Retired now.)? My university degree is in journalism.? (Yes, there were times in my life where my primary income was from other work, but I always did some freelance journalism and photography during that time.) ? I made a decision early on that the most important thing I could develop with the contacts I had in the railroad industry was trust.? I was able to access many railroad facilities in the U.S. and Europe and spent many hours riding on locomotives -- always with permission.? I learned a lot about railroads and, as far as I know, there were never any complaints about my behavior on railroad property. ? I put a great value on my reputation as someone who could be trusted not to cause problems -- and in many cases, the railroads returned that trust.? It's not that I never wrote anything critical of railroads, but that was separate from my dealings with those who provided me access.? (I particularly made sure that I would not distract operating crews or interfere with operations.) ? I could write an entire essay on the issue of developing trust with the people that I dealt with and give dozens of examples of how that trust worked out.? I even had cases where railroad special agents (whom I got to know through my involvement with Operation Lifesaver) went out of their way to help me out on projects. ? I do not recall any instance where trespassing would have gotten me a photo that I could not have made without doing so. ? -- Ernest ? ? ----- Ernest H. Robl -- Durham, NC, USA -- Photojournalism; writing, books. Covering travel & transportation for 45+ years. Now mostly retired! -----Original Message-----
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Right, that's a whole other matter and I agree about that - I don't want to get any railroader in trouble by my presence or actions I take posting photos afterwards.
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In fact I only take pictures of the people with their permission, otherwise I avoid them as much as I can to give them privacy. I don't own a drone but I see far too many vantage points on his flickr that would be a violation of the same rules in Canada, flying drones over rail yards is actually illegal Is it trespassing? probably not.. probably worse. It would be nice if the advice given out is adhered to is all, in a national forum such as Dpreview. Trespassing in the USA (on a railroad or not) is a much more serious matter than it is here in Canada, where here it is a fine (and not criminal unless it's trespass by night which is around houses after 10 PM). In the US it's a criminal record.... if I had that on my record they'd never let me across the border to visit my American friends and family! I've never ever had a ticket for anything like that in my middle aged life :) Speeding tickets... fine... but it's been a while :) a long while. - Steve On 2022-10-21 06:29, Dave Saums wrote:
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I enjoyed seeing the article and the photograph.? Justin is also a really nice guy -- and his photography is outstanding, as is also true of his journalistic talents.
I would rather enjoy the point of the article and the image.
Regards,
Dave Saums
Amesbury MA
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Sent: Friday, October 21, 2022 4:14:36 PM To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Cc: Dave Saums <dsaums@...> Subject: Re: [ObservationCar] about Justin Franz ?
Right, that's a whole other matter and I agree about that - I don't want
to get any railroader in trouble by my presence or actions I take posting photos afterwards. In fact I only take pictures of the people with their permission, otherwise I avoid them as much as I can to give them privacy. I don't own a drone but I see far too many vantage points on his flickr that would be a violation of the same rules in Canada, flying drones over rail yards is actually illegal Is it trespassing? probably not.. probably worse. It would be nice if the advice given out is adhered to is all, in a national forum such as Dpreview. Trespassing in the USA (on a railroad or not) is a much more serious matter than it is here in Canada, where here it is a fine (and not criminal unless it's trespass by night which is around houses after 10 PM). In the US it's a criminal record.... if I had that on my record they'd never let me across the border to visit my American friends and family! I've never ever had a ticket for anything like that in my middle aged life :) Speeding tickets... fine... but it's been a while :) a long while. - Steve On 2022-10-21 06:29, Dave Saums wrote: > Steve, I would disagree. This past Sunday, I was out with a friend > and we had a discussion about railroad photography, specifically about > not posting any photography where it is evident that there is a rules > violation. (We were chasing a branch movement and the ditch lights > were not on.) That is hardly the first discussion on that topic. > >? My own rule is not photographing crewmen getting on or off equipment, > as another example. > >? Asking permission is another. > >? I do not know about drone rules, though -- I do not own one. > >? Dave > >? Amesbury MA USA > > Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device >? Get Outlook for Android [3] > ------------------------- > > FROM: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of > headtailgrep <steve@...> >? SENT: Thursday, October 20, 2022 7:35:55 PM >? TO: [email protected] <[email protected]> >? SUBJECT: Re: [ObservationCar] about Justin Franz > > "Never trespass and be careful" > > Sure..... I believe him :) > > BTW - Drones are trespassing, in this country (Canada) when you are > flying them over rail yards.. drones are probably the worst offenders > for rules violations... > > But then again, photographers don't care as long as the shot is in > hand :) Drones are probably among the worst offenders these days given > you can fly in, and out of many places , including private > infrastructure and airspace without being detected (so far, that's > also subject to change). > > - Steve > > On 10/20/2022 4:34 PM, Dave Saums wrote: > >> Phil, thanks for posting this and for pointing to the comments >> section. This was really enjoyable to see -- although some of the >> comments leave a little to be desired. >> >> I can understand that someone in the UK would find Montana or Idaho >> or the Columbia River Gorge to be a bit challenging, from a shadow >> perspective, not having normally to deal with very high geographic >> features. >> >> Looks like I will have an opportunity to ride to a relatively high >> point with very high trestles and vertical drops in the White >> Mountains in New Hampshire on Sunday -- have to be prepared for >> snow, though. One never knows what to expect at this time of year. >> >> Regards, >> Dave. >> >> DAVE SAUMS >> >> Mountains-of-the-Sky Photography, Amesbury MA 01913 USA >> Email: dsaums@... Tel: 978 479 7474 >> Editor, Rutland Railroad Historical Society "Newsliner" Quarterly >> Magazine >> Web: [1] >> |
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Ernst,
I am very glad to see that you have remained on ObsCar.? You have been a long-time contributor and I have always enjoyed reading what you write.? I have always found that following the rules -- staying out of the way is one -- is worthwhile. I suspect that the poster here is an employee who has seen his share of nonsense.? I do not doubt at all that railroad engineers and conductors see a lot of really stupid behavior, the most obvious being drivers who ignore crossing gates and flashers.? However, there are more than a few railfans everywhere who get a little too carried away and do thing like run across the track at the last minute, to get to the sunny side, or something similar. In the area where I live, I have been really dismayed by the number of night flash photographs published -- which clearly were fired directly in front of a freight train, so potentially blinding the engineer for some number of seconds or minutes.? It seems that no matter how often someone points out on social media groups that this is a bad idea and dangerous, there are just some railfans who do not get the message.? That is just one example of a common problem.
All told, though, I find it hard to believe that someone would criticize Justin Franz's photograph that was included in this article.? It is excellent, and I would have loved to call it my own.? There is no trespassing here, either.? I also do not doubt that
the individual who posted comments about trespassing in Canada over railroad yards with a drone was reflecting on the amount of just dumb nonsense that he has seen from the locomotive cab on innumerable trips.
Dave.
Dave Saums???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Mountains-of-the-Sky Photography, Amesbury MA?? 01913 USA
Email:? ?dsaums@...?????????????? Tel:??978?479 7474????????????? Editor, Rutland Railroad Historical?Society "Newsliner" Quarterly Magazine???? ??????????????????? Web:? ??? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Ernest H. Robl <ehr@...>
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2022 11:11 AM To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [ObservationCar] about Justin Franz ?
Why not belive him? ? I did photography professionally / as a business for most of my life.? (Retired now.)? My university degree is in journalism.? (Yes, there were times in my life where my primary income was from other work, but I always did some freelance journalism and photography during that time.) ? I made a decision early on that the most important thing I could develop with the contacts I had in the railroad industry was trust.? I was able to access many railroad facilities in the U.S. and Europe and spent many hours riding on locomotives -- always with permission.? I learned a lot about railroads and, as far as I know, there were never any complaints about my behavior on railroad property. ? I put a great value on my reputation as someone who could be trusted not to cause problems -- and in many cases, the railroads returned that trust.? It's not that I never wrote anything critical of railroads, but that was separate from my dealings with those who provided me access.? (I particularly made sure that I would not distract operating crews or interfere with operations.) ? I could write an entire essay on the issue of developing trust with the people that I dealt with and give dozens of examples of how that trust worked out.? I even had cases where railroad special agents (whom I got to know through my involvement with Operation Lifesaver) went out of their way to help me out on projects. ? I do not recall any instance where trespassing would have gotten me a photo that I could not have made without doing so. ? -- Ernest ? ? ----- Ernest H. Robl -- Durham, NC, USA -- Photojournalism; writing, books. Covering travel & transportation for 45+ years. Now mostly retired! -----Original Message----- ? "Never trespass and be careful" ? Sure..... I believe him :) ? .... ? |
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Good comments about safety and forming relationships with rail workers.? A few years ago, a friend who worked for a California short line invited me to ride along with them on their morning run.?? I showed up dressed to work on the railroad with steel toe safety boots and work clothes.? Another fan had been given an invite for that morning and he showed up in sandals, shorts and reeking of marijuana.? Our friend who invited us had to tell the other fellow that he had to leave because he wasn't dressed to be in? a working rail yard and nobody wanted to get a drug test violation from smelling him.?? Mike Tisdale
On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 06:18:09 PM PDT, Dave Saums <dsaums@...> wrote:
Ernst,
I am very glad to see that you have remained on ObsCar.? You have been a long-time contributor and I have always enjoyed reading what you write.? I have always found that following the rules -- staying out of the way is one -- is worthwhile. I suspect that the poster here is an employee who has seen his share of nonsense.? I do not doubt at all that railroad engineers and conductors see a lot of really stupid behavior, the most obvious being drivers who ignore crossing gates and flashers.? However, there are more than a few railfans everywhere who get a little too carried away and do thing like run across the track at the last minute, to get to the sunny side, or something similar. In the area where I live, I have been really dismayed by the number of night flash photographs published -- which clearly were fired directly in front of a freight train, so potentially blinding the engineer for some number of seconds or minutes.? It seems that no matter how often someone points out on social media groups that this is a bad idea and dangerous, there are just some railfans who do not get the message.? That is just one example of a common problem.
All told, though, I find it hard to believe that someone would criticize Justin Franz's photograph that was included in this article.? It is excellent, and I would have loved to call it my own.? There is no trespassing here, either.? I also do not doubt that
the individual who posted comments about trespassing in Canada over railroad yards with a drone was reflecting on the amount of just dumb nonsense that he has seen from the locomotive cab on innumerable trips.
Dave.
Dave Saums???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Mountains-of-the-Sky Photography, Amesbury MA?? 01913 USA
Email:? ?dsaums@...?????????????? Tel:??978?479 7474????????????? Editor, Rutland Railroad Historical?Society "Newsliner" Quarterly Magazine???? ??????????????????? Web:? ??? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Ernest H. Robl <ehr@...>
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2022 11:11 AM To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [ObservationCar] about Justin Franz ?
Why not belive him? ? I did photography professionally / as a business for most of my life.? (Retired now.)? My university degree is in journalism.? (Yes, there were times in my life where my primary income was from other work, but I always did some freelance journalism and photography during that time.) ? I made a decision early on that the most important thing I could develop with the contacts I had in the railroad industry was trust.? I was able to access many railroad facilities in the U.S. and Europe and spent many hours riding on locomotives -- always with permission.? I learned a lot about railroads and, as far as I know, there were never any complaints about my behavior on railroad property. ? I put a great value on my reputation as someone who could be trusted not to cause problems -- and in many cases, the railroads returned that trust.? It's not that I never wrote anything critical of railroads, but that was separate from my dealings with those who provided me access.? (I particularly made sure that I would not distract operating crews or interfere with operations.) ? I could write an entire essay on the issue of developing trust with the people that I dealt with and give dozens of examples of how that trust worked out.? I even had cases where railroad special agents (whom I got to know through my involvement with Operation Lifesaver) went out of their way to help me out on projects. ? I do not recall any instance where trespassing would have gotten me a photo that I could not have made without doing so. ? -- Ernest ? ? ----- Ernest H. Robl -- Durham, NC, USA -- Photojournalism; writing, books. Covering travel & transportation for 45+ years. Now mostly retired! -----Original Message----- ? "Never trespass and be careful" ? Sure..... I believe him :) ? .... ? |