very unusual train on NYC RR in 1930(?)
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýA few months ago someone (Mike T?) said that it was unusual to see a train not pulled by a locomotive.? I¡¯m doing this from memory, so I hope I didn¡¯t misquote. ? A friend sent me the photo below.? Classic view of NYC steam, but look at the train.? Behind the gondola are 10 cars destined for the new ¡°IND¡± New York subway system, followed by the caboose.? Probably built by American Car and Foundry, St. Charles, MO. ? Phil Burton ?
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I can't positively ID these cars. Are they BMT standards?
On Friday, June 24, 2022, 03:50:50 PM PDT, Phil Burton <philip-b@...> wrote:
A few months ago someone (Mike T?) said that it was unusual to see a train not pulled by a locomotive.? I¡¯m doing this from memory, so I hope I didn¡¯t misquote. ? A friend sent me the photo below.? Classic view of NYC steam, but look at the train.? Behind the gondola are 10 cars destined for the new ¡°IND¡± New York subway system, followed by the caboose.? Probably built by American Car and Foundry, St. Charles, MO. ? Phil Burton ?
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oops, I meant "Triplexes."
On Friday, June 24, 2022, 04:17:18 PM PDT, Bill Hough via groups.io <psa188@...> wrote:
I can't positively ID these cars. Are they BMT standards?
On Friday, June 24, 2022, 03:50:50 PM PDT, Phil Burton <philip-b@...> wrote:
A few months ago someone (Mike T?) said that it was unusual to see a train not pulled by a locomotive.? I¡¯m doing this from memory, so I hope I didn¡¯t misquote. ? A friend sent me the photo below.? Classic view of NYC steam, but look at the train.? Behind the gondola are 10 cars destined for the new ¡°IND¡± New York subway system, followed by the caboose.? Probably built by American Car and Foundry, St. Charles, MO. ? Phil Burton ?
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¿ªÔÆÌåÓýBill, ? The person who sent me this email said that they were R-1s for the IND system. ? I have to wonder if these subway cars went through hump yards. ? Phil ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bill Hough via groups.io
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2022 4:21 PM To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [ObservationCar] very unusual train on NYC RR in 1930(?) ? oops, I meant "Triplexes." ? On Friday, June 24, 2022, 04:17:18 PM PDT, Bill Hough via groups.io <psa188@...> wrote: ? ? I can't positively ID these cars. Are they BMT standards? ? On Friday, June 24, 2022, 03:50:50 PM PDT, Phil Burton <philip-b@...> wrote: ? ? A few months ago someone (Mike T?) said that it was unusual to see a train not pulled by a locomotive.? I¡¯m doing this from memory, so I hope I didn¡¯t misquote. ? A friend sent me the photo below.? Classic view of NYC steam, but look at the train.? Behind the gondola are 10 cars destined for the new ¡°IND¡± New York subway system, followed by the caboose.? Probably built by American Car and Foundry, St. Charles, MO. ? Phil Burton ? ?
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R-1 makes more sense.
On Friday, June 24, 2022, 04:28:33 PM PDT, Phil Burton <philip-b@...> wrote:
Bill, ? The person who sent me this email said that they were R-1s for the IND system. ? I have to wonder if these subway cars went through hump yards. ? Phil ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bill Hough via groups.io
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2022 4:21 PM To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [ObservationCar] very unusual train on NYC RR in 1930(?) ? oops, I meant "Triplexes." ? On Friday, June 24, 2022, 04:17:18 PM PDT, Bill Hough via groups.io <psa188@...> wrote: ? ? I can't positively ID these cars. Are they BMT standards? ? On Friday, June 24, 2022, 03:50:50 PM PDT, Phil Burton <philip-b@...> wrote: ? ? A few months ago someone (Mike T?) said that it was unusual to see a train not pulled by a locomotive.? I¡¯m doing this from memory, so I hope I didn¡¯t misquote. ? A friend sent me the photo below.? Classic view of NYC steam, but look at the train.? Behind the gondola are 10 cars destined for the new ¡°IND¡± New York subway system, followed by the caboose.? Probably built by American Car and Foundry, St. Charles, MO. ? Phil Burton ? ?
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Phil, do we know the location for this photograph on the Central, or at least what line or division?
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R-1 makes more sense.
On Friday, June 24, 2022, 04:28:33 PM PDT, Phil Burton <philip-b@...> wrote:
Bill, ? The person who sent me this email said that they were R-1s for the IND system. ? I have to wonder if these subway cars went through hump yards. ? Phil ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
On Behalf Of Bill Hough via groups.io ? oops, I meant "Triplexes." ? On Friday, June 24, 2022, 04:17:18 PM PDT, Bill Hough via groups.io <psa188@...> wrote: ? ? I can't positively ID these cars. Are they BMT standards? ? On Friday, June 24, 2022, 03:50:50 PM PDT, Phil Burton <philip-b@...> wrote: ? ? A few months ago someone (Mike T?) said that it was unusual to see a train not pulled by a locomotive.? I¡¯m doing this from memory, so I hope I didn¡¯t misquote. ? A friend sent me the photo below.? Classic view of NYC steam, but look at the train.? Behind the gondola are 10 cars destined for the new ¡°IND¡± New York subway system, followed by the caboose.? Probably built by American Car and Foundry, St. Charles, MO. ? Phil Burton ?
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¿ªÔÆÌåÓýDave, ? I emailed the guy who sent me this photo.? He doesn¡¯t know about location, etc.? He likes to grab old photos from a lot of rail and non-rail sites, and he assembles them into folders and he has a large collection.? I imagine the original sites vary a lot with respect to photo info, date, etc. ? However, I can be sure that the destination was New York City or nearby.? These cars were delivered to a yard in Manhattan on 207th Street.? ? The cars in this photo were probably moved by car float to the yard. ? Phil ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dave Saums
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2022 4:55 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [ObservationCar] very unusual train on NYC RR in 1930(?) ? Phil, do we know the location for this photograph on the Central, or at least what line or division? ? Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Bill Hough via groups.io <psa188@...> ? R-1 makes more sense. ? On Friday, June 24, 2022, 04:28:33 PM PDT, Phil Burton <philip-b@...> wrote: ? ? Bill, ? The person who sent me this email said that they were R-1s for the IND system. ? I have to wonder if these subway cars went through hump yards. ? Phil ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bill Hough via groups.io ? oops, I meant "Triplexes." ? On Friday, June 24, 2022, 04:17:18 PM PDT, Bill Hough via groups.io <psa188@...> wrote: ? ? I can't positively ID these cars. Are they BMT standards? ? On Friday, June 24, 2022, 03:50:50 PM PDT, Phil Burton <philip-b@...> wrote: ? ? A few months ago someone (Mike T?) said that it was unusual to see a train not pulled by a locomotive.? I¡¯m doing this from memory, so I hope I didn¡¯t misquote. ? A friend sent me the photo below.? Classic view of NYC steam, but look at the train.? Behind the gondola are 10 cars destined for the new ¡°IND¡± New York subway system, followed by the caboose.? Probably built by American Car and Foundry, St. Charles, MO. ? Phil Burton ? ?
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Phil, the heavy code lines suggest that this may be commuter territory.? However, no evidence of third rail, hence my question.? West Shore, such as Dumont, heading for Weehawken for a car float operation?
Harlem Division, west of North White Plains? Hudson Division, west of Croton North?
Those would seem to be the choices.
Thanks,
Dave Saums.
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Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2022 3:02:03 PM To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [ObservationCar] very unusual train on NYC RR in 1930(?) ?
Dave, ? I emailed the guy who sent me this photo.? He doesn¡¯t know about location, etc.? He likes to grab old photos from a lot of rail and non-rail sites, and he assembles them into folders and he has a large collection.? I imagine the original sites vary a lot with respect to photo info, date, etc. ? However, I can be sure that the destination was New York City or nearby.? These cars were delivered to a yard in Manhattan on 207th Street.? ? The cars in this photo were probably moved by car float to the yard. ? Phil ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
On Behalf Of Dave Saums ? Phil, do we know the location for this photograph on the Central, or at least what line or division? ? Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device From:
[email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Bill Hough via groups.io <psa188@...> ? R-1 makes more sense. ? On Friday, June 24, 2022, 04:28:33 PM PDT, Phil Burton <philip-b@...> wrote: ? ? Bill, ? The person who sent me this email said that they were R-1s for the IND system. ? I have to wonder if these subway cars went through hump yards. ? Phil ? From:
[email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
On Behalf Of Bill Hough via groups.io ? oops, I meant "Triplexes." ? On Friday, June 24, 2022, 04:17:18 PM PDT, Bill Hough via groups.io <psa188@...> wrote: ? ? I can't positively ID these cars. Are they BMT standards? ? On Friday, June 24, 2022, 03:50:50 PM PDT, Phil Burton <philip-b@...> wrote: ? ? A few months ago someone (Mike T?) said that it was unusual to see a train not pulled by a locomotive.? I¡¯m doing this from memory, so I hope I didn¡¯t misquote. ? A friend sent me the photo below.? Classic view of NYC steam, but look at the train.? Behind the gondola are 10 cars destined for the new ¡°IND¡± New York subway system, followed by the caboose.? Probably built by American Car and Foundry, St. Charles, MO. ? Phil Burton ?
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