Re: In case its of interest --- re Catalina and iPhotos
The thing to do of course is study your Mac HD and discover what apps are 32 bit as against 64bit and whether those 32 bit apps are important to you still. That will make the decision for you as to whether you update now or hold back for a bit.
I am doing a big tidy up of my HD and as I go Updating and replacing apps with 64 bit versions. But there are still apps I use currently that will no longer work if I go forward. So one has to have a coping strategy.
If you go into Apple/about this Mac/ applications , you can discover just how much 32 bit is in there. Helps decision making and replacing.
I’m using App Cleaner - dragging programs on to that to make sure dregs go. It’s a bit tedious but doing a bit each day but might help in eventual Catalina.
I’ve also been tidying documents. Some nested a bit too deep so simplifying as I go. Also sorting photos for duplicates and junking anything not needed. We do tend to snap everything with the iPhone as it’s way too handy.
I had one dammit moment when somehow accidentally selected all applications and Mac froze and made a million aliases on my desktop!!! A what tha! moment. I hope you all covered your ears. ?
Never mind we soldier on.
Jude
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On 10 Nov 2019, at 8:31 am, blue yonder via Groups.Io <tag.gorton@...> wrote: ?Have just updated to Catalina and have lost iPhoto. Luckily I am no longer working so this is not too much of a problem but certainly it is not as good as iPhoto. Still exploring Catalina but I have lost some excellent progs....
Yours Aye
Tag Gorton
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?On Tuesday05/Nov/19:46, 14:46Tue, 5, Nov, 2019, "Purler" <[email protected] on behalf of susan.platter@...> wrote:
I had no idea I could have kept iPhoto going. I meekly updated it to Photos, which I’ve been using for some time now, but which lost some of the useful features of iPhoto in the transition. This is not a good thing that Apple has done, blithely effectively destroying the functionality of apps that are popular and useful. It should not be up to outsiders to fix this. I suppose a partial, if not too convenient, answer is to keep older kit or to partition your drive into newer and earlier OSes; I don’t even know if the latter is possible.
Regards
Susan
On 5 Nov 2019, at 09:01, Judith Hall <glenidol@...> wrote:
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That happened to me in the West Indies in my drinking days. I was at a party and ended up sleeping in my chair cos of too much booze and the host's wife took advantage of me. The next day I had to meet the new Commander (my boss) and, given we were wearing tropical working rig (shirt shorts and sandals) my red painted toenails were there for every one to see. I certainly got some stick that day - and it two days scrubbing to get rid of it... Yours Aye Tag Gorton Tel:01752 845938 Skype name 'tagorton' ?On Friday08/Nov/19:07, 10:07Fri, 8, Nov, 2019, "John Miller via Groups.Io" < [email protected] on behalf of johnmiller051118@...> wrote: Here's one for Chris. Not sure if I've told this before to the group. There was a Royal Marine who fell asleep on the Sofa. (You know how Macho & tough these guys are.) His little girl painted his toenails with bright pink nail varnish. He sighed when he woke up. The next day he was with his squad on a run & twisted his ankle. The squad gathered round to see what the damage was & when he took his boot & sock off they groaned in absolute fright! John
On Thursday, 7 November 2019, 13:15:59 GMT, John Miller via Groups.Io <johnmiller051118@...> wrote:
Dear All,
There may be problems using older OS's on the latest Macs as they are 64 bit. The older systems were built for 32 bit. I think Harvey & Chris might better be able to answer this.
John
On Wednesday, 6 November 2019, 16:37:45 GMT, Purler <susan.platter@...> wrote:
Yes, I’ve been pondering VirtualBox but no action so far. If you go ahead, do report back!Regards
Susan
On 5 Nov 2019, at 22:01, Purler <susan.platter@...> wrote:
Well, Chris, it’s been a few years now but I do recall becoming unable to keep some of what I think is called metadata that was associated with my photos in iPhoto. Apple did say at the time that some features were not carried over and some of the identifying data was lost and I just can’t face replacing it all! :DRegards
Susan
On 5 Nov 2019, at 14:48, John Miller via Groups.Io <johnmiller051118@...> wrote:
Dear Susan,
Read in the leopard missing manual that you can have more than one OS. Don't know if that's true with Catalina
John
On Tuesday, 5 November 2019, 14:46:08 GMT, Purler <susan.platter@...> wrote:
I had no idea I could have kept iPhoto going. I meekly updated it to Photos, which I’ve been using for some time now, but which lost some of the useful features of iPhoto in the transition. This is not a good thing that Apple has done, blithely effectively destroying the functionality of apps that are popular and useful. It should not be up to outsiders to fix this. I suppose a partial, if not too convenient, answer is to keep older kit or to partition your drive into newer and earlier OSes; I don’t even know if the latter is possible.
Regards
Susan
On 5 Nov 2019, at 09:01, Judith Hall <glenidol@...> wrote:
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I didn’t know Photos was missing anything. I found Photos to be better (for me) than iPhoto.?
What’s missing?
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Have just updated to Catalina and have lost iPhoto. Luckily I am no longer working so this is not too much of a problem but certainly it is not as good as iPhoto. Still exploring Catalina but I have lost some excellent progs.... Yours Aye Tag Gorton Tel:01752 845938 Skype name 'tagorton' ?On Tuesday05/Nov/19:46, 14:46Tue, 5, Nov, 2019, "Purler" < [email protected] on behalf of susan.platter@...> wrote: I had no idea I could have kept iPhoto going. I meekly updated it to Photos, which I’ve been using for some time now, but which lost some of the useful features of iPhoto in the transition. This is not a good thing that Apple has done, blithely effectively destroying the functionality of apps that are popular and useful. It should not be up to outsiders to fix this. I suppose a partial, if not too convenient, answer is to keep older kit or to partition your drive into newer and earlier OSes; I don’t even know if the latter is possible. Regards Susan
On 5 Nov 2019, at 09:01, Judith Hall <glenidol@...> wrote:
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Ho, ho! ?I’m not sure that you’d have to be RM to be embarrassed by that situation . . .
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Here's one for Chris. Not sure if I've told this before to the group. There was a Royal Marine who fell asleep on the Sofa. (You know how Macho & tough these guys are.) His little girl painted his toenails with bright pink nail varnish. He sighed when he woke up. The next day he was with his squad on a run & twisted his ankle. The squad gathered round to see what the damage was & when he took his boot & sock off they groaned in absolute fright! John
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Hi - thought I would dive in just to add to the virtual machine information.?
I've been running a couple of virtual Mac configurations on a machine set up using Mojave for about six months now: one is running High Sierra the other Snow Leopard.? I'm using Parallels Desktop to support the virtual machines and it works very well: both virtual machines are able to connect to internet (one of them holds up a mail server running in Apple Server 5) and work just fine.?
When I want to work on them I can either open up the virtual machines directly on the host machine, or access them remotely via Remote Desktop app.
The host machine is configured to use APFS (the new Apple file system) and the virtual machine files themselves are stored on APFS drives, but within the virtual machines both are using the older HPFS+ format without probem.? Both are able to open both iPhoto and Aperture.
So the virtual machine option is certainly viable, however to get the best from this route your host machine needs to be reasonably powerful and ideally have quite a lot of RAM (the one I am using is a 2012 Mac Mini with 16GB, and SSD storage).
I am not so familiar with the differences between Virtual Box and Parallels Desktop, but imagine they are small.
HTH
Gavin
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Here's one for Chris. Not sure if I've told this before to the group. There was a Royal Marine who fell asleep on the Sofa. (You know how Macho & tough these guys are.) His little girl painted his toenails with bright pink nail varnish. He sighed when he woke up. The next day he was with his squad on a run & twisted his ankle. The squad gathered round to see what the damage was & when he took his boot & sock off they groaned in absolute fright! John
Dear All, There may be problems using older OS's on the latest Macs as they are 64 bit. The older systems were built for 32 bit. I think Harvey & Chris might better be able to answer this. John
Yes, I’ve been pondering VirtualBox but no action so far. If you go ahead, do report back! Regards Susan Well, Chris, it’s been a few years now but I do recall becoming unable to keep some of what I think is called metadata that was associated with my photos in iPhoto. Apple did say at the time that some features were not carried over and some of the identifying data was lost and I just can’t face replacing it all! :D Regards Susan Dear Susan, Read in the leopard missing manual that you can have more than one OS. Don't know if that's true with Catalina John
I had no idea I could have kept iPhoto going. I meekly updated it to Photos, which I’ve been using for some time now, but which lost some of the useful features of iPhoto in the transition. ?This is not a good thing that Apple has done, blithely effectively destroying the functionality of apps that are popular and useful. It should not be up to outsiders to fix this. I suppose a partial, if not too convenient, answer is to keep older kit or to partition your drive into newer and earlier OSes; I don’t even know if the latter is possible. Regards Susan
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Here's one for Chris. Not sure if I've told this before to the group. There was a Royal Marine who fell asleep on the Sofa. (You know how Macho & tough these guys are.) His little girl painted his toenails with bright pink nail varnish. He sighed when he woke up. The next day he was with his squad on a run & twisted his ankle. The squad gathered round to see what the damage was & when he took his boot & sock off they groaned in absolute fright! John
On Thursday, 7 November 2019, 13:15:59 GMT, John Miller via Groups.Io <johnmiller051118@...> wrote:
Dear All, There may be problems using older OS's on the latest Macs as they are 64 bit. The older systems were built for 32 bit. I think Harvey & Chris might better be able to answer this. John
On Wednesday, 6 November 2019, 16:37:45 GMT, Purler <susan.platter@...> wrote:
Yes, I’ve been pondering VirtualBox but no action so far. If you go ahead, do report back! Regards
Well, Chris, it’s been a few years now but I do recall becoming unable to keep some of what I think is called metadata that was associated with my photos in iPhoto. Apple did say at the time that some features were not carried over and some of the identifying data was lost and I just can’t face replacing it all! :D Regards Susan
Dear Susan, Read in the leopard missing manual that you can have more than one OS. Don't know if that's true with Catalina John
I had no idea I could have kept iPhoto going. I meekly updated it to Photos, which I’ve been using for some time now, but which lost some of the useful features of iPhoto in the transition. ?This is not a good thing that Apple has done, blithely effectively destroying the functionality of apps that are popular and useful. It should not be up to outsiders to fix this. I suppose a partial, if not too convenient, answer is to keep older kit or to partition your drive into newer and earlier OSes; I don’t even know if the latter is possible. Regards Susan
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Dear All, There may be problems using older OS's on the latest Macs as they are 64 bit. The older systems were built for 32 bit. I think Harvey & Chris might better be able to answer this. John
On Wednesday, 6 November 2019, 16:37:45 GMT, Purler <susan.platter@...> wrote:
Yes, I’ve been pondering VirtualBox but no action so far. If you go ahead, do report back! Regards
Well, Chris, it’s been a few years now but I do recall becoming unable to keep some of what I think is called metadata that was associated with my photos in iPhoto. Apple did say at the time that some features were not carried over and some of the identifying data was lost and I just can’t face replacing it all! :D Regards Susan
Dear Susan, Read in the leopard missing manual that you can have more than one OS. Don't know if that's true with Catalina John
I had no idea I could have kept iPhoto going. I meekly updated it to Photos, which I’ve been using for some time now, but which lost some of the useful features of iPhoto in the transition. ?This is not a good thing that Apple has done, blithely effectively destroying the functionality of apps that are popular and useful. It should not be up to outsiders to fix this. I suppose a partial, if not too convenient, answer is to keep older kit or to partition your drive into newer and earlier OSes; I don’t even know if the latter is possible. Regards Susan
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Yes, I’ve been pondering VirtualBox but no action so far. If you go ahead, do report back! Regards
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Well, Chris, it’s been a few years now but I do recall becoming unable to keep some of what I think is called metadata that was associated with my photos in iPhoto. Apple did say at the time that some features were not carried over and some of the identifying data was lost and I just can’t face replacing it all! :D Regards Susan
Dear Susan, Read in the leopard missing manual that you can have more than one OS. Don't know if that's true with Catalina John
I had no idea I could have kept iPhoto going. I meekly updated it to Photos, which I’ve been using for some time now, but which lost some of the useful features of iPhoto in the transition. ?This is not a good thing that Apple has done, blithely effectively destroying the functionality of apps that are popular and useful. It should not be up to outsiders to fix this. I suppose a partial, if not too convenient, answer is to keep older kit or to partition your drive into newer and earlier OSes; I don’t even know if the latter is possible. Regards Susan
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Guess it will be a while John
On Wednesday, 6 November 2019, 11:59:22 GMT, Judith Hall <glenidol@...> wrote:
Eye tv software not updated to Catalina. Have been looking for update but not found one.
On 6 Nov 2019, at 8:50 pm, John Miller via Groups.Io <johnmiller051118@...> wrote:
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Dear All, Catalina seems a little buggy to my mind. To be fair though I am using eyeTV software which was probably built for mojave or high sierra. You can get USB multiports cheaply but I think they come unpowered so you can't use mobile hard drives through them & they are probably slower than a direct connection. John
On Wednesday, 6 November 2019, 04:34:48 GMT, Judith Hall <glenidol@...> wrote:
I didn't go for earlier iMac than the iMacPro I have now because they had fusion drive and I'd read people had had problems with them. I have SSD in mine.?
Couple of our local Mac club members have bought plugin things that clasp at the bottom of the Mac with ports to the front to plug things in rather than reach round the back. Can't tell you what they are called but I will find out because I'm fed up of reaching round the back of mine and you can never have too many ports eh. I bought an Apple SuperDrive when I realised my husband's Mac we'd ordered didn't come with built in CD burner/drive. ?The Apple Superdrive is not cheap. Whereas Samsung slot loading ones can be bought for very cheap in Aus. ?I think from experience maybe the slot loader is better than the Apple Superdrive....got a disk stuck in the first one and took it back and demanded another machine and the Apple shop tried handing it back to me and telling me various methods of ejecting disks which I had already tried - stood my ground and told tech to do it. Great struggle but got disk out for me --- and I got a replacement ?Superdrive.?
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Eye tv software not updated to Catalina. Have been looking for update but not found one.
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Dear All, Catalina seems a little buggy to my mind. To be fair though I am using eyeTV software which was probably built for mojave or high sierra. You can get USB multiports cheaply but I think they come unpowered so you can't use mobile hard drives through them & they are probably slower than a direct connection. John
On Wednesday, 6 November 2019, 04:34:48 GMT, Judith Hall <glenidol@...> wrote:
I didn't go for earlier iMac than the iMacPro I have now because they had fusion drive and I'd read people had had problems with them. I have SSD in mine.?
Couple of our local Mac club members have bought plugin things that clasp at the bottom of the Mac with ports to the front to plug things in rather than reach round the back. Can't tell you what they are called but I will find out because I'm fed up of reaching round the back of mine and you can never have too many ports eh. I bought an Apple SuperDrive when I realised my husband's Mac we'd ordered didn't come with built in CD burner/drive. ?The Apple Superdrive is not cheap. Whereas Samsung slot loading ones can be bought for very cheap in Aus. ?I think from experience maybe the slot loader is better than the Apple Superdrive....got a disk stuck in the first one and took it back and demanded another machine and the Apple shop tried handing it back to me and telling me various methods of ejecting disks which I had already tried - stood my ground and told tech to do it. Great struggle but got disk out for me --- and I got a replacement ?Superdrive.?
Jude
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Dear All, Catalina seems a little buggy to my mind. To be fair though I am using eyeTV software which was probably built for mojave or high sierra. You can get USB multiports cheaply but I think they come unpowered so you can't use mobile hard drives through them & they are probably slower than a direct connection. John
On Wednesday, 6 November 2019, 04:34:48 GMT, Judith Hall <glenidol@...> wrote:
I didn't go for earlier iMac than the iMacPro I have now because they had fusion drive and I'd read people had had problems with them. I have SSD in mine.?
Couple of our local Mac club members have bought plugin things that clasp at the bottom of the Mac with ports to the front to plug things in rather than reach round the back. Can't tell you what they are called but I will find out because I'm fed up of reaching round the back of mine and you can never have too many ports eh. I bought an Apple SuperDrive when I realised my husband's Mac we'd ordered didn't come with built in CD burner/drive. ?The Apple Superdrive is not cheap. Whereas Samsung slot loading ones can be bought for very cheap in Aus. ?I think from experience maybe the slot loader is better than the Apple Superdrive....got a disk stuck in the first one and took it back and demanded another machine and the Apple shop tried handing it back to me and telling me various methods of ejecting disks which I had already tried - stood my ground and told tech to do it. Great struggle but got disk out for me --- and I got a replacement ?Superdrive.?
Jude
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I didn't go for earlier iMac than the iMacPro I have now because they had fusion drive and I'd read people had had problems with them. I have SSD in mine.?
Couple of our local Mac club members have bought plugin things that clasp at the bottom of the Mac with ports to the front to plug things in rather than reach round the back. Can't tell you what they are called but I will find out because I'm fed up of reaching round the back of mine and you can never have too many ports eh. I bought an Apple SuperDrive when I realised my husband's Mac we'd ordered didn't come with built in CD burner/drive. ?The Apple Superdrive is not cheap. Whereas Samsung slot loading ones can be bought for very cheap in Aus. ?I think from experience maybe the slot loader is better than the Apple Superdrive....got a disk stuck in the first one and took it back and demanded another machine and the Apple shop tried handing it back to me and telling me various methods of ejecting disks which I had already tried - stood my ground and told tech to do it. Great struggle but got disk out for me --- and I got a replacement ?Superdrive.?
Jude
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Re: In case its of interest --- re Catalina and iPhotos
Catalina is a different drive format (APFS), and when Catalina is installed it makes two partitions.....I only discovered this when I installed it on my husband's PowerBook Pro --- thankfully it all worked ok and we've not had any hitches, but then he's not running a lot of stuff. one is sort of sandboxing the Macs system and the other partition is your own stuff.
It seems like Apple are headed down the path of locking things down more and more though their excuse I read was to make the system even tougher against virus and hackers. Fair enough.
I was about to explore Virtual Box and whether that would be feasible to run another system inside that. Yet to discover that.
One thing I did read is that if you install Catalina and it goes whoopsie then you have the chance to do a restart/command/R and that the Mac makes a "screenshot" recovery before install. ?But not had to test that ?one.
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Well, Chris, it’s been a few years now but I do recall becoming unable to keep some of what I think is called metadata that was associated with my photos in iPhoto. Apple did say at the time that some features were not carried over and some of the identifying data was lost and I just can’t face replacing it all! :D Regards
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Dear Susan, Read in the leopard missing manual that you can have more than one OS. Don't know if that's true with Catalina John
I had no idea I could have kept iPhoto going. I meekly updated it to Photos, which I’ve been using for some time now, but which lost some of the useful features of iPhoto in the transition. ?This is not a good thing that Apple has done, blithely effectively destroying the functionality of apps that are popular and useful. It should not be up to outsiders to fix this. I suppose a partial, if not too convenient, answer is to keep older kit or to partition your drive into newer and earlier OSes; I don’t even know if the latter is possible. Regards Susan
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Congratulations, John!
The Fusion Drive’s speed will become evident after a while. ?The solid state part of it will “learn” which files are used most often and store them.
Firewire went out quite a time ago, as did the built-in Superdrive. ?USB3 is probably faster than FW800 and an external DVD/CD writer costs about ?15.
I have the Apple Superdrive (external) and I use it about once every couple of months.
In case you’re wondering, I have my files store in iCloud, making them accessible anywhere on the Internet.
Cheers
Chris
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Just got a new iMac:
Went for fusion drive. Can't say I noticed much difference in start up time. NB it has no fire wire & no superdrive. You can get an external one. Can't say I particularly like Catalina either John
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What would you have kept with iPhoto, Susan? ?For my part the process has been one of continual improvement. ?Photos is now almost a replacement for Aperture, although I use Capture One Pro to do what I did with Aperture until 3 or 4 years ago.
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I had no idea I could have kept iPhoto going. I meekly updated it to Photos, which I’ve been using for some time now, but which lost some of the useful features of iPhoto in the transition. ?This is not a good thing that Apple has done, blithely effectively destroying the functionality of apps that are popular and useful. It should not be up to outsiders to fix this. I suppose a partial, if not too convenient, answer is to keep older kit or to partition your drive into newer and earlier OSes; I don’t even know if the latter is possible.Regards Susan
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Dear Susan, Read in the leopard missing manual that you can have more than one OS. Don't know if that's true with Catalina John
On Tuesday, 5 November 2019, 14:46:08 GMT, Purler <susan.platter@...> wrote:
I had no idea I could have kept iPhoto going. I meekly updated it to Photos, which I’ve been using for some time now, but which lost some of the useful features of iPhoto in the transition. ?This is not a good thing that Apple has done, blithely effectively destroying the functionality of apps that are popular and useful. It should not be up to outsiders to fix this. I suppose a partial, if not too convenient, answer is to keep older kit or to partition your drive into newer and earlier OSes; I don’t even know if the latter is possible. Regards Susan
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