Re: Issue with Outlook-365, JAWS and Windows-11
Hello Ann,
This method you are describing will save emails or attachments to the Computer, is this right?
Kindly,
Janet.
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-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2025 1:30 PM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [M365-Accessibility] Issue with Outlook-365, JAWS and Windows-11 In word, go to options (ALT+f, then T, then s) Tab to "save to computer by default" and be sure it is checked. At 01:12 PM 1/12/2025, you wrote: Hi. I just upgraded to windows-11 and am using the latest versions of
Office-365 and JAWS.
I'm encountering an issue saving attachments from an email to a folder
on my computer.
Every morning, I get the NFB's email with the New York times. To save
the attachments to my computer, I do the following:
I get into the email and move to Save attachments and press Enter.
I press enter on Okay to save all attachments.
I shift-tab back to the list of folders and select Newspapers, which is
in my Kurzweil Education folder and press Enter.
I then tab over to the okay button.
It used to be that this would save the attachments. Now it does save
the attachments but it also brings up a context menu saying, "Map
Network Drive".
A sighted friend did a quick assist and told me that even though JAWS
is saying that I'm on Okay, I'm actually on Tools, which is right next
to the okay.
I know there is an alternative way to save the attachments, however
this issue comes up when I'm saving other attachments too.
Sorry for the long email.
Is anyone else having this issue?
John Riehl
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Janet and anyone else who wishes to respond to the original question:? It's perfectly fine to do so.? ?Had I not brought up that the message was cross-posted, you'd never have known.
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The answers given in both venues have quite a bit of overlap, but there are some that are unique to each venue.? That's one of the reasons that when cross-posting is done, that the person doing it designate which of the topics on which of the forums should be "the master topic" for replies.? That way everyone knows what everyone else has said.
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I'm just trying to discourage cross-posting, generally, and saying when it's done it should be done "the right way."? That places no restrictions on those providing answers, only those asking the questions.
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. . . too many colleges are beginning to look like country clubs that happen to teach stuff, not educational institutions that happen to have a gym.
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Hello Brian,
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Does this message from you mean I wasn’t suppose to reply to John’s question?
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Kindly,
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Janet.
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Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2025 4:47 PM
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On Sun, Jan 12, 2025 at 05:40 PM, JOHN RIEHL wrote:
Let’s all calm down about this.
To be clear, I am calm, and I really felt that I calmly expressed "the unwritten rule" about not cross-posting/multi-posting after this occurred by your hand for the first time.? I also had every reason to believe you'd honor the request,
and it's clear that you also read the linked article.
There is absolutely nothing new, at all, about cross-posting being very, very strongly frowned upon when it's done as a "plastering of the same message" across multiple venues.? Doing so causes those who continue to do it to get reputations
that they really don't want in those venues.
The expectation about appropriate technique was stated, and it's my expectation that the membership as a whole will follow it.? I do this in response to "official announcements" from group administration where I am a member only.? I don't
make the rules there, but when any member of group administration makes a direct statement on policy, that's policy.
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Re: Issue with Outlook-365, JAWS and Windows-11
Hi John,
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Yes, I had this same problem with getting the pesty message Map Network Drive, but I still couldn’t save my attachments like you say you could.
So now, what I do when I want to save an attachment is to just open the email, control plus shift to the attachment I want to save, and press control plus space bar to select it, and I then press control plus c to copy, and move to the
folder where I want to save the attachment, and press control plus v to paste the attachment in the folder.
Just remember when you press the control plus space bar to select, Jaws 2025 will not say selected, or at least that is how it is on my Windows 11 24h1 Laptop, although, it might be different on your Computer.
I have to admit I am getting so tired of all these different Outlooks MS has been putting out lately.?
But yet, I do have to admit I do like the option to just select ?and copy the attachment or the email and place it into any folder. ?
I also like when I want to save the entire email with the attachment I can press the context key arrow up or down a couple of times, until I hear copy email to the clip
board I then press enter on that, and I then go to any folder I want to place the email into.
Please don’t ask me if I am using the MS 365? Outlook Classic or the new Outlook, as I will need to look into that now.
MS drives me nuts with all these different Outlooks, some times people don’t even realize which Outlook they are using.
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Kindly,
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Janet.
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Subject: [M365-Accessibility] Issue with Outlook-365, JAWS and Windows-11
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Hi. I just upgraded to windows-11 and am using the latest versions of Office-365 and JAWS.
I’m encountering an issue saving attachments from an email to a folder on my computer.
Every morning, I get the NFB’s email with the New York times. To save the attachments to my computer, I do the following:
I get into the email and move to Save attachments and press Enter.
I press enter on Okay to save all attachments.
I shift-tab back to the list of folders and select Newspapers, which is in my Kurzweil Education folder and press Enter.
I then tab over to the okay button.
It used to be that this would save the attachments. Now it does save the attachments but it also brings up a context menu saying, “Map Network Drive”.
A sighted friend did a quick assist and told me that even though JAWS is saying that I’m on Okay, I’m actually on Tools, which is right next to the okay.
I know there is an alternative way to save the attachments, however this issue comes up when I’m saving other attachments too.
Sorry for the long email.
Is anyone else having this issue?
John Riehl
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On Sun, Jan 12, 2025 at 05:40 PM, JOHN RIEHL wrote:
Let’s all calm down about this.
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John,
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To be clear, I am calm, and I really felt that I calmly expressed "the unwritten rule" about not cross-posting/multi-posting after this occurred by your hand for the first time.? I also had every reason to believe you'd honor the request, and it's clear that you also read the linked article.
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There is absolutely nothing new, at all, about cross-posting being very, very strongly frowned upon when it's done as a "plastering of the same message" across multiple venues.? Doing so causes those who continue to do it to get reputations that they really don't want in those venues.
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The expectation about appropriate technique was stated, and it's my expectation that the membership as a whole will follow it.? I do this in response to "official announcements" from group administration where I am a member only.? I don't make the rules there, but when any member of group administration makes a direct statement on policy, that's policy.
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. . . too many colleges are beginning to look like country clubs that happen to teach stuff, not educational institutions that happen to have a gym.
????? ~ Bret Stephens, in New York Times Op-Ed, , June 18, 2019
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Let’s all calm down about this. What I should have done is note in my post that I’d sent this to another email list and named the list. ? ? John ?
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Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2025 5:36 PM
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Subject: Re: [M365-Accessibility] Issue with Outlook-365, JAWS and Windows-11? On Sun, Jan 12, 2025 at 04:00 PM, mike mcglashon wrote: This is a absolutely unreasonable and unrealistic request.
Well, Mike, its a common one, and one made by a member of group admin, me, as I am a moderator here.? I expect this convention to be followed, and for precisely the reasons outlined in the linked article. If one wants to cross-post, there is a right way to do it.? Posting the same question at the same time on multiple venues where none of them have any idea that it appears elsewhere isn't that way.? Period. End of sentence. End of discussion.? It will not be tolerated as general practice and when I see it occur it will be called out. What's unrealistic is your belief that there is not a ton of overlap between the membership of the various blind-centric tech support groups.? That overlap is huge, which makes the appearance of the same question in multiple places an annoyance in other ways, too. Brian? · ♂? · ???? · ?Virginia, USA?- Windows 11 Pro, Version 24H2, Build 26100; M365 Family; Android 13 (Xiaomi HyperOS 1.0.10.0) . . . too many colleges are beginning to look like country clubs that happen to teach stuff, not educational institutions that happen to have a gym. ????? ~ Bret Stephens, in New York Times Op-Ed, , June 18, 2019
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On Sun, Jan 12, 2025 at 04:00 PM, mike mcglashon wrote:
This is a absolutely unreasonable and unrealistic request.
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Well, Mike, its a common one, and one made by a member of group admin, me, as I am a moderator here.? I expect this convention to be followed, and for precisely the reasons outlined in the linked article.
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If one wants to cross-post, there is a right way to do it.? Posting the same question at the same time on multiple venues where none of them have any idea that it appears elsewhere isn't that way.? Period. End of sentence. End of discussion.? It will not be tolerated as general practice and when I see it occur it will be called out.
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What's unrealistic is your belief that there is not a ton of overlap between the membership of the various blind-centric tech support groups.? That overlap is huge, which makes the appearance of the same question in multiple places an annoyance in other ways, too.
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. . . too many colleges are beginning to look like country clubs that happen to teach stuff, not educational institutions that happen to have a gym.
????? ~ Bret Stephens, in New York Times Op-Ed, , June 18, 2019
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I would recommend doing the following:
1. ?Open File Explorer and navigate to the folder you desire. 2. ?In the message, shift tab to your attachments and press CTRL + A. 3. ?Alt + Tab to the file explorer window and press CTRL + V.
You'll be a happy camper because you'll find your attachments sitting in that folder. ?I usually keep a file cxplorer window open no matter what I do, but especially when I am looking at email.
Hope this helps.
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On Jan 12, 2025, at 2:12?PM, JOHN RIEHL via groups.io <REALMAN02@...> wrote:
? Hi. I just upgraded to windows-11 and am using the latest versions of Office-365 and JAWS. I’m encountering an issue saving attachments from an email to a folder on my computer. Every morning, I get the NFB’s email with the New York times. To save the attachments to my computer, I do the following: I get into the email and move to Save attachments and press Enter. I press enter on Okay to save all attachments. I shift-tab back to the list of folders and select Newspapers, which is in my Kurzweil Education folder and press Enter. I then tab over to the okay button. It used to be that this would save the attachments. Now it does save the attachments but it also brings up a context menu saying, “Map Network Drive”. A sighted friend did a quick assist and told me that even though JAWS is saying that I’m on Okay, I’m actually on Tools, which is right next to the okay. I know there is an alternative way to save the attachments, however this issue comes up when I’m saving other attachments too. Sorry for the long email. Is anyone else having this issue? John Riehl
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Quoting: In the future, I would kindly ask that you do not multi-post the same question here that you are asking elsewhere End quote: Dear Mr. Brian: This is a absolutely unreasonable and unrealistic request. ?(to use your foot stomping language). Your request assumes that the market places where the questions are asked are filled with duplicity. However, each list is a different street corner and one cannot assume that the same people are passing by. Hence, it is quite reasonable and prudent (absolutely prudent) (again to stomp my foot the way you do) to ask the same question on multiple lists even if some if not many people are passing by a different corner. ? ? Please advise as you like. ? Mike M. ? Mike mcglashon AD9CA Email: Michael.mcglashon@... Ph: 618 783 9331 ?
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Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2025 1:25 PM
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Subject: Re: [M365-Accessibility] Issue with Outlook-365, JAWS and Windows-11? Curtis Chong has already answered your question on the JFW Users group in message #30650. In the future, I would kindly ask that you do not multi-post the same question here that you are asking elsewhere until you have given sufficient time to see if someone's going to answer.? The following applies to email lists/groups every bit as much as it does to strictly online forums: ? Brian? · ♂? · ???? · ?Virginia, USA?- Windows 11 Pro, Version 24H2, Build 26100; M365 Family; Android 13 (Xiaomi HyperOS 1.0.10.0) . . . too many colleges are beginning to look like country clubs that happen to teach stuff, not educational institutions that happen to have a gym. ????? ~ Bret Stephens, in New York Times Op-Ed, , June 18, 2019
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In word, go to options (ALT+f, then T, then s)
Tab to "save to computer by default" and be sure it is checked.
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At 01:12 PM 1/12/2025, you wrote: Hi. I just upgraded to windows-11 and am using the latest versions of Office-365 and JAWS.
I'm encountering an issue saving attachments from an email to a folder on my computer.
Every morning, I get the NFB's email with the New York times. To save the attachments to my computer, I do the following:
I get into the email and move to Save attachments and press Enter.
I press enter on Okay to save all attachments.
I shift-tab back to the list of folders and select Newspapers, which is in my Kurzweil Education folder and press Enter.
I then tab over to the okay button.
It used to be that this would save the attachments. Now it does save the attachments but it also brings up a context menu saying, "Map Network Drive".
A sighted friend did a quick assist and told me that even though JAWS is saying that I'm on Okay, I'm actually on Tools, which is right next to the okay.
I know there is an alternative way to save the attachments, however this issue comes up when I'm saving other attachments too.
Sorry for the long email.
Is anyone else having this issue?
John Riehl
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John,
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Curtis Chong has already answered your question on the JFW Users group in message #30650. ?
In the future, I would kindly ask that you do not multi-post the same question here that you are asking elsewhere until you have given sufficient time to see if someone's going to answer.? The following applies to email lists/groups every bit as much as it does to strictly online forums: ?
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Brian? · ♂? · ???? · ?Virginia, USA?- Windows 11 Pro, Version 24H2, Build 26100; M365 Family; Android 13 (Xiaomi HyperOS 1.0.10.0)
. . . too many colleges are beginning to look like country clubs that happen to teach stuff, not educational institutions that happen to have a gym.
????? ~ Bret Stephens, in New York Times Op-Ed, , June 18, 2019
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Issue with Outlook-365, JAWS and Windows-11
Hi. I just upgraded to windows-11 and am using the latest versions of Office-365 and JAWS. I’m encountering an issue saving attachments from an email to a folder on my computer. Every morning, I get the NFB’s email with the New York times. To save the attachments to my computer, I do the following: I get into the email and move to Save attachments and press Enter. I press enter on Okay to save all attachments. I shift-tab back to the list of folders and select Newspapers, which is in my Kurzweil Education folder and press Enter. I then tab over to the okay button. It used to be that this would save the attachments. Now it does save the attachments but it also brings up a context menu saying, “Map Network Drive”. A sighted friend did a quick assist and told me that even though JAWS is saying that I’m on Okay, I’m actually on Tools, which is right next to the okay. I know there is an alternative way to save the attachments, however this issue comes up when I’m saving other attachments too. Sorry for the long email. Is anyone else having this issue? John Riehl
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On Sun, Jan 12, 2025 at 12:37 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
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Yep, much like F2 for rename.? There are instances where Ctrl + F has to be used for the initial search and F3 is the "find next" for the same thing you last searched for.
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. . . too many colleges are beginning to look like country clubs that happen to teach stuff, not educational institutions that happen to have a gym.
????? ~ Bret Stephens, in New York Times Op-Ed, , June 18, 2019
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f3 for search? I normally use control plus F in windows explorer.
I had no idea about f3 for searching anything. I'll have to play
wiht this.
thanks.
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Given that F3 is kinda-sorta the universal accelerator key
for search functionality all over Windows apps it's no surprise
it's used this way in Outlook along with myriad other
applications.
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clubs that happen to teach stuff, not educational
institutions that happen to have a gym.
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in New York Times Op-Ed, ,
June
18, 2019
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Given that F3 is kinda-sorta the universal accelerator key for search functionality all over Windows apps it's no surprise it's used this way in Outlook along with myriad other applications.
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It does appear to be the same thing for me as alt+q.
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Hi Sarah-all,
With outlook classic, office 365, latest jaws and win11, I can search by hitting f3 in outlook. Wonder if it is the same effect as produced by control-e.
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what I used to do is just stay in the inbox and hit control plus E. then my curser would always land in the search field.
I have no idea if this willhelp but those are my observations.
Thanks and happy Friday.
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On 1/10/2025 8:23 AM, Ardell, Kristi SDPR:EX via groups.io wrote:
On the topic: has anybody else found searching in Outlook inconsistent? No matter if I use control plus e or
alt+q, sometimes it decides to create a new message and sometimes my focus lands somewhere in the ribbons. I’d say less than half the time my curser does land in a search field. In my work I need to do
these searches a lot and it feels like at one time it was a lot easier and more consistent than it has been for the last couple of years. If anybody has advise or tips to improve this process for me, I’d deeply appreciate it!
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I did do a search in windows for outlook new It seemed alright except it only had one of my emails in it and I just had to add others.? When loading outlook for the first time I had to do the same
as well, so it is no big deal.? I will give it a try later, too much going on right now.? Guide dog died Dec. 28 last year so still dealing with that.? ?
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I’m not sure I’ve seen anyone advocate for the new Outlook or claim that it’s as screen reader friendly as the Classic Outlook. For me, I just recently pointed out that the
Classic Outlook also has a steep learning curve, or at least it did for me. In the past, I’ve talked about giving the new Outlook a spin and pointing out some of the things I like about it. I’ve probably also mentioned that you can do quite a bit in it, although
there is a learning curve and not everything is as easy as it is in Classic Outlook.
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I don’t know of a screen reader based tutorial for the new Outlook and I’m not going to write one myself. Although I’m sure they’re out there, I also don’t know of a screen
reader based tutorial for Classic Outlook. For my part, I have four years to play around with the new Outlook myself and wait for webinars from Freedom Scientific, so I’m not worried at all for the moment.
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Hello. I have seen how people like myself expressing poor opinions about the New Outlook have been moderated in this mailing list. However, this is not the subject of this message although it
is absolutely related. If moderators want to cast out all disparaging remarks about a service, product or app, then by antonomasia they become an either explicit or implicit advocator of such application. If I follow this logic under the assumption that someone
is acting in good faith, as I also believe I’m doing myself, then advocators of the New Outlook should provide irrefutable proofs that this interface is as screen reader friendly as it is the Classic Outlook in M365 environment. They should do this by covering
an extensive range of functionalities present for years in Outlook Classic in which the most extended and used screen readers (NVDA and Jaws)? have no trouble at all when interacting directly with the interface. Additionally, advocators should take into consideration
that not only positive outcomes are important, meaning completion of a task, but also the strategic possibility that an interface provides for the user, meaning “how to do stuff” is directly related to cognitive differences among users. Let me portray this
last statement. If we have here a mailing list? in which people is getting acquainted with the command alt plus q, and how to create a folder in Outlook, and how to filter messages, and how to rearrange accounts: well, it is only logical that advocators must
give also the step by step guide to do the same in the New Outlook, which brings me to my real question because I’m also operating under the assumption that advocators are advanced users and I’m just an ignorant on this new interface. ?
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Could you, please, share a full tutorial about all the functionalities in this new outlook interface as if I were a 7 year old kid?
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Salute!
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Leo Bado.
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I was not taught braille while there and they kept you in the private school till grade 10, then kicked you out to the public school.? Imagine you’ve been in a blind school and then
after being there from grade 1-10 they throw you into a sighted world.? Makes sense to me.? LOL.?
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Sent: January 10, 2025 4:08 PM
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Quoting:
In the 60s, they just shoved the blind or deaf into a private school, or basically kept them out of public schools with the idea that they didn’t belong there.
End quote:
Of course, they did; I being one of those, believe it was/is the right thing to do.
There is no one in public school and I do mean no one, sighted or otherwise, who could/can teach me what those people taught me in blind school (braille jail).
I trusted those people explicitly because they were just as blind as I am and so I trusted and respected them completely.
I do not have that trust today with the public school racket. I would never send my blind child to a public school what so ever.
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Please advise as you like.
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If moderators want to cast out all disparaging remarks about a service, product or app, then by antonomasia they become an either explicit or implicit advocator of such application. Hey Leo, quit throwing out those big words. ?LOL.? I found
out when I got to grade 8 in school, that I wasn’t really passing to the next grade, just being pushed to the next one because they didn’t want to deal with a blind person.? In the 60s, they just shoved the blind or deaf into a private school, or basically
kept them out of public schools with the idea that they didn’t belong there. The spell checker/grammar checker is my best friend.? ??
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On Fri, Jan 10, 2025 at 08:37 AM, Leo Bado wrote:
If moderators want to cast out all disparaging remarks about a service, product or app, then by antonomasia they become an either explicit or implicit advocator of such application.
1. That's a logical fallacy because no one has even tried to "cast out all disparaging remarks."
2. Not wanting any group to become the "let's pile on complaining about Application X" group is entirely reasonable.??
3. If you, or any other member, has an issue with moderation policy on any given group, then the appropriate avenue for pursuing that is with the Owner via that group's owner address.? Questioning moderation policy in public is really poor
form.? Be prepared to have a rationale for your own position if you do choose to challenge existing policy.
Anyone who wants to ask "how to" questions about New Outlook should feel entirely free to do so and venting of frustrations during a learning curve are perfectly fine.? Rants about New Outlook being utterly inaccessible will be summarily
shut down, because they are false and not helpful.
The tutorial you want does not exist, since New Outlook is currently only in the 2nd stage, Opt Out, of its release.? I don't think anyone's written a comprehensive tutorial on using New Outlook with a screen reader.? What I know I have
learned via trial and error, which is entirely usual when brand new user interfaces hit the street.
For the time being, if you or anyone else has a specific question about how to do something in New Outlook, ask it.
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. . . too many colleges are beginning to look like country clubs that happen to teach stuff, not educational institutions that happen to
have a gym.
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New York Times Op-Ed,
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June 18, 2019
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Hi Sarah-all, With outlook classic, office 365, latest jaws and win11, I can search by hitting f3 in outlook. Wonder if it is the same effect as produced by control-e. ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Cheers, ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Takis ?
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami via groups.io
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2025 9:32 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [M365-Accessibility] searching in outlook? what I used to do is just stay in the inbox and hit control plus E. then my curser would always land in the search field. I have no idea if this willhelp but those are my observations.
Thanks and happy Friday.
Sarah Alawami | Salesforce Administrator | Accessibility Consultant | Educator
Follow me on On 1/10/2025 8:23 AM, Ardell, Kristi SDPR:EX via groups.io wrote: On the topic: has anybody else found searching in Outlook inconsistent? No matter if I use control plus e or alt+q, sometimes it decides to create a new message and sometimes my focus lands somewhere in the ribbons. I’d say less than half the time my curser does land in a search field. In my work I need to do these searches a lot and it feels like at one time it was a lot easier and more consistent than it has been for the last couple of years. If anybody has advise or tips to improve this process for me, I’d deeply appreciate it! Thanks ?
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Microsoft Windows Windows 11 22H2 (10.0.22621) workstation AMD64 [64 bit] Microsoft Office?16.0.17029.20028 [64 bit]
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Re: The choice of "Outlook (classic)" and "Outlook (new)" should both be available under M365 Family (and probably Personal) at this time
On Fri, Jan 10, 2025 at 08:17 PM, enes sar?ba? wrote:
With all due respect, the new Outlook is a half baked product.
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Never said it wasn't.? I have not been a cheerleader of any sort for New Outlook.? But since I've been "on top of it" since preview, I also know how far its come.
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I'm currently sticking with Outlook Classic myself, but I'm thrilled that I can now run it side-by-side with New Outlook as it makes it so much easier to compare and contrast how the two work and whether New Outlook is getting features that have long been available in Outlook Classic.
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Brian? · ♂? · ???? · ?Virginia, USA?- Windows 11 Pro, Version 24H2, Build 26100; M365 Family; Android 13 (Xiaomi HyperOS 1.0.10.0)
. . . too many colleges are beginning to look like country clubs that happen to teach stuff, not educational institutions that happen to have a gym.
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