Microsoft Outlook: Updated behavior for switching back from new Outlook to classic Outlook for Windows
A notice in the M365 Admin Center for M365 Business admins, but it's clearly happening for M365 Personal/Home too:
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Microsoft Outlook: Updated behavior for switching back from new Outlook to classic Outlook for Windows
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Narrator inconsistent in how it reads negative numbers in Excel for Currency and Accounting Cell Formats
First, let me note that this inconsistency is not exclusive to Narrator.? It only gives no indication at all of the fact a number is negative if Currency format is used and the cell format to show the value in red if it's negative is selected.? If the format includes the leading minus sign, it is correctly read as negative as it is if either of the parentheses enclosed formats of he Currency format is used.
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For Accounting format, the parentheses enclosed option does not directly result in the number being declared negative, but the presence of the parentheses is announced and for those familiar with Accounting format this is a clear indirect indicator that the value is a debit/negative value.
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This issue extends to JAWS and NVDA as well, with each of these screen readers being less reliable than Narrator is in regard to negative numbers not being reported as negative depending on the visual formatting choice that was made.? I suspect that all of this is tied together based upon what is being exposed by Excel to the various screen readers, but I can't be sure about that.
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But anyone who uses Excel, and particularly for spreadsheets where money is concerned and either Currency and/or Accounting formats are used, will encounter issues with not getting accurate information for negative values far too often.
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Here's the Feedback Hub problem report I submitted:
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If you're someone who works with Excel and with monetary values in particular, you might want to upvote this problem and/or add your own additional comments.
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Re: The slow, but predicted, disappearance of the "Outlook (new)" designation in the Windows Search results
On Thu, May 1, 2025 at 08:32 AM, Jason White wrote:
It may not be available if you have a Microsoft 365 consumer account
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It is not available.? This is the message you get if you attempt to login with an account that has M365 Family or Personal:
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Switch to an account that has permission
Your account doesn't have permission to view or manage this page
Login is not supported for consumer users without business presence.
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Re: The slow, but predicted, disappearance of the "Outlook (new)" designation in the Windows Search results
This article provides more detail:
It may not be available if you have a Microsoft 365 consumer account rather than a business subscription.
How do you access the message centre and where do you go to subscribe to receive email sumaries?
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On Behalf Of Jason White via groups.io
Sent:?April 30, 2025 5:41 PM
To:[email protected]
Subject:?Re: [M365-Accessibility] The slow, but predicted, disappearance of the "Outlook (new)" designation in the Windows Search results
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Yes, this change was announced by Microsoft 365 a while ago. Microsoft 365 Message Center is a very good source of information about updates. I think you need a Microsoft 365 subscription to access it. You can also subscribe
to e-mail summaries.
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I already had the two things shown for the instances on my machine, which has M365, change to "Outlook" and "Outlook (classic)."
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Today I was working with a client who has Office 2021 Home and Business on her computer, and when we first fired up her computer the designations were "Outlook (new)" and "Outlook (classic)."? After the most recent
preview update to Windows 11 was applied, these changed to just plain Outlook and "Outlook (classic)."
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I now suspect this change is tied to a Windows update rather than any updates to Office or M365, and for that reason alone you can be sure it's coming to everyone as the update that makes this change rolls out.
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This change makes perfect sense since what started out as "Outlook (new)" is ultimately going to be the only Outlook.? While the classic UI still exists through 2029, it's being distinguished as an alternative.
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Windows 11 Pro, Version 24H2, Build 26100; M365 Family; Android 13 (Xiaomi HyperOS 1.0.10.0)
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Re: The slow, but predicted, disappearance of the "Outlook (new)" designation in the Windows Search results
How do you access the message centre and where do you go to subscribe to receive email sumaries? ?
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Jason White via groups.io
Sent: April 30, 2025 5:41 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [M365-Accessibility] The slow, but predicted, disappearance of the "Outlook (new)" designation in the Windows Search results? Yes, this change was announced by Microsoft 365 a while ago. Microsoft 365 Message Center is a very good source of information about updates. I think you need a Microsoft 365 subscription to access it. You can also subscribe to e-mail summaries. I already had the two things shown for the instances on my machine, which has M365, change to "Outlook" and "Outlook (classic)." Today I was working with a client who has Office 2021 Home and Business on her computer, and when we first fired up her computer the designations were "Outlook (new)" and "Outlook (classic)."? After the most recent preview update to Windows 11 was applied, these changed to just plain Outlook and "Outlook (classic)." I now suspect this change is tied to a Windows update rather than any updates to Office or M365, and for that reason alone you can be sure it's coming to everyone as the update that makes this change rolls out. This change makes perfect sense since what started out as "Outlook (new)" is ultimately going to be the only Outlook.? While the classic UI still exists through 2029, it's being distinguished as an alternative. Brian? · ♂??· ???? · ?Virginia, USA?- Windows 11 Pro, Version 24H2, Build 26100; M365 Family; Android 13 (Xiaomi HyperOS 1.0.10.0) It is much easier to be critical than to be correct. ?????? ~ Benjamin Disraeli, 1804-1881
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Re: EDGE will not share to Classic Outlook but wants to install New Outlook
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I suspect you are going to have to change your practices.? I understand what you're saying, but even on my computer I cannot force Edge to use Outlook Classic anymore with the Share option.? And to make matters worse, even when New Outlook is opened to the edit window for a new message, the URL is not carried over that you've activated the share option for.
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Part of what Perplexity.ai said is this, and I believe they're correct:
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The "Share" feature in Edge may prioritize Microsoft's own apps (like Mail or Outlook) for direct integration. For some third-party email clients, sharing may not work as seamlessly, and you might need to copy and paste the link manually.
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What they recommend is precisely what I'd do.? In the context menu for the link instead of selecting Share I'd choose Copy link instead, and then just go to Outlook Classic, create the message, address it, and paste that link in.? That's actually what I've been doing when sharing links from any browser via email, regardless of the email/webmail client.? I always copy the link (regardless of its source) and then paste it in to the email message I've created, titled, and addressed, adding specific information in the message for the recipient about the link being sent.
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Brian? · ♂? · ???? · ?Virginia, USA?- Windows 11 Pro, Version 24H2, Build 26100; M365 Family; Android 13 (Xiaomi HyperOS 1.0.10.0)
It is much easier to be critical than to be correct.
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Re: EDGE will not share to Classic Outlook but wants to install New Outlook
Brian,
In Microsoft EDGE, if I click on the share icon, a popup screen appears with a number of app that can be targets of the share.? Outlook is one of the targets.? A target is an app to which information is sent, and which receives the shared information.? Until, recently, clicking on Share and then Outlook in the popup caused the current URL to be sent to Outlook.? If Outlook was open, then the URL appeared in the message of a new email.? If Outlook was not open, then Outlook opened and a new email containing the URL appeared.??
All references to Outlook so far are to Classic Outlook which I use.??
Nowadays, when I click on Share, and then click on Outlook on the popup screen, I get another screen offering tom install New Outlook which I do not want.
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Re: The slow, but predicted, disappearance of the "Outlook (new)" designation in the Windows Search results
Yes, this change was announced by Microsoft 365 a while ago. Microsoft 365 Message Center is a very good source of information about updates. I think you need a Microsoft 365 subscription to access it. You can also subscribe to e-mail summaries.
I already had the two things shown for the instances on my machine, which has M365, change to "Outlook" and "Outlook (classic)."
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Today I was working with a client who has Office 2021 Home and Business on her computer, and when we first fired up her computer the designations were "Outlook (new)" and "Outlook (classic)."? After
the most recent preview update to Windows 11 was applied, these changed to just plain Outlook and "Outlook (classic)."
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I now suspect this change is tied to a Windows update rather than any updates to Office or M365, and for that reason alone you can be sure it's coming to everyone as the update that makes this change
rolls out.
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This change makes perfect sense since what started out as "Outlook (new)" is ultimately going to be the only Outlook.? While the classic UI still exists through 2029, it's being distinguished as
an alternative.
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Brian?
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Windows 11 Pro, Version 24H2, Build 26100; M365 Family; Android 13 (Xiaomi HyperOS 1.0.10.0)
It is much easier to be critical than to be correct.
?????? ~ Benjamin Disraeli, 1804-1881
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The slow, but predicted, disappearance of the "Outlook (new)" designation in the Windows Search results
I already had the two things shown for the instances on my machine, which has M365, change to "Outlook" and "Outlook (classic)."
?
Today I was working with a client who has Office 2021 Home and Business on her computer, and when we first fired up her computer the designations were "Outlook (new)" and "Outlook (classic)."? After the most recent preview update to Windows 11 was applied, these changed to just plain Outlook and "Outlook (classic)."
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I now suspect this change is tied to a Windows update rather than any updates to Office or M365, and for that reason alone you can be sure it's coming to everyone as the update that makes this change rolls out.
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This change makes perfect sense since what started out as "Outlook (new)" is ultimately going to be the only Outlook.? While the classic UI still exists through 2029, it's being distinguished as an alternative.
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Brian? · ♂? · ???? · ?Virginia, USA?- Windows 11 Pro, Version 24H2, Build 26100; M365 Family; Android 13 (Xiaomi HyperOS 1.0.10.0)
It is much easier to be critical than to be correct.
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Re: installing M365 apps...
Thanks for the link Brian; when I go to the M365 homepage listed in the article all it talks about is Copiolot. Also when I looked at the list of apps installed on the laptop Word, Excel and PowerPoint are all there and all open normally so not sure what’s going on with M365 on this laptop… ?
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Sent: April 29, 2025 5:47 PM
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Subject: Re: [M365-Accessibility] installing M365 apps...? You've answered your own question.? You clearly do not have M365 installed and activated or else the default "New Outlook" is the one that lands on top of Outlook 365, not the free version, known as Outlook for Windows. Brian? · ♂? · ???? · ?Virginia, USA?- Windows 11 Pro, Version 24H2, Build 26100; M365 Family; Android 13 (Xiaomi HyperOS 1.0.10.0) It is much easier to be critical than to be correct. ?????? ~ Benjamin Disraeli, 1804-1881
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Re: Microsoft Office 365 Outlook Classic
Bingo, this works, thanks so much, shift+ctrl+tab takes me to the folder list, the first item says hidden, you press enter and it opens it.
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Thanks again, I now have the huge task of months of email message and folder tidying
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Sent: 18 April 2025 12:46
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [M365-Accessibility] Microsoft Office 365 Outlook Classic
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Here is what I do. Say I’m in my inbox, I hit Ctrl, shift, tab and that lands me in a list of all folders in Outlook, I simply arrow down to a folder I want to delete, rename, etc. and hit applications key and arrow to
the choice I want. Hope this helps.
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Alan
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Whatever I do, I can’t seem to bring back the folder list so I can actually delete some folders.
Tried all I can find on Google etc.
F6 Doesn’t go to the folder list.
Anyone have any ideas please?
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Re: installing M365 apps...
On Wed, Apr 30, 2025 at 09:11 AM, Susan Thompson wrote:
If I do the following it gets me to the check box to try new outlook
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Alt+v for view
Down arrow to the change view option;
Shift+tab and you are on the check box to try New Outlook.
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Susan, thanks. This is a variant on the method I mentioned in the tutorial wrote, but is more easily explained.
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BTW, this would probably work regardless of which Ribbon you drop into.? Your first two steps happen to drop one into the first item in the View ribbon, but the Shift + Tab then throws focus out of the ribbon and into the Word window frame and on to the rightmost control there, that toggle button (even if it's announced as a checkbox, it is in actuality a toggle button) is the rightmost one.
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It seems that most people are asking about going back to Outlook Classic from New Outlook these days, and the corresponding toggle button that once appeared in New Outlook to switch back to Classic no longer exists.
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Brian? · ♂? · ???? · ?Virginia, USA?- Windows 11 Pro, Version 24H2, Build 26100; M365 Family; Android 13 (Xiaomi HyperOS 1.0.10.0)
It is much easier to be critical than to be correct.
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Re: installing M365 apps...
Hi Brian and all, ? Outlook version in my 365 Family Microsoft? Outlook? for Microsoft 365 MSO (Version 2502 Build 16.0.18526.20286) 64-bit ? If I do the following it gets me to the check box to try new outlook ? Alt+v for view Down arrow to the change view option; Shift+tab and you are on the check box to try New Outlook. ? I hope that helps. ? Regards Susan ? ?
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2025 1:19 AM
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Subject: Re: [M365-Accessibility] installing M365 apps...? BTW, I just checked what the target for Outlook (classic) and it is: ?"C:\Program Files\Microsoft Office\root\Office16\OUTLOOK.EXE" I just followed my traditional instructions (below) for creating a desktop shortcut to a program using the above noted path, and it does fire up Outlook Classic. 1. Gain focus on the desktop with nothing selected.
2. Bring up the context menu.
3. Hit W, S ?[New, Shortcut]
4. The create shortcut dialog appears. ?In the "Type the location of the item" edit box, enter the full path to the program you want to run. ?In this case, that path is:
"C:\Program Files\Microsoft Office\root\Office16\OUTLOOK.EXE"
The quotes are necessary since there are spaces in the full path.
5. Hit the Next button.
6. In the "Type a name for this shortcut" edit box, give the shortcut a name that makes sense. ?In this case, that might be Outlook Classic.
7. Hit the Finish button, and that new shortcut to invoke the program is now on your desktop. Brian? · ♂? · ???? · ?Virginia, USA?- Windows 11 Pro, Version 24H2, Build 26100; M365 Family; Android 13 (Xiaomi HyperOS 1.0.10.0) It is much easier to be critical than to be correct. ?????? ~ Benjamin Disraeli, 1804-1881
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Re: problem with ignore topic
The simple answer (particularly if the accounts involved are not MS-Exchange based):? No.
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Brian? · ♂? · ???? · ?Virginia, USA?- Windows 11 Pro, Version 24H2, Build 26100; M365 Family; Android 13 (Xiaomi HyperOS 1.0.10.0)
It is much easier to be critical than to be correct.
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problem with ignore topic
Hi, I’m hoping I can fix this problem, I wanted to ignore a topic, and somehow my fingers selected a bunch of emails.? Is there a way to tell office365 not to block any topics that I blocked in the past?
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Re: installing M365 apps...
Madison,
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You've answered your own question.? You clearly do not have M365 installed and activated or else the default "New Outlook" is the one that lands on top of Outlook 365, not the free version, known as Outlook for Windows.
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Brian? · ♂? · ???? · ?Virginia, USA?- Windows 11 Pro, Version 24H2, Build 26100; M365 Family; Android 13 (Xiaomi HyperOS 1.0.10.0)
It is much easier to be critical than to be correct.
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Re: installing M365 apps...
I just went into the help tab and was able to find the button to switch but I get an error message that I can’t switch and that I have to install a stand-alone version of Outlook classic for Windows. I’m starting to wonder if he didn’t activate M365 correctly if the only outlook I can access is the free app that comes with Windows 11 computers… ?
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Subject: Re: [M365-Accessibility] installing M365 apps...? On Tue, Apr 29, 2025 at 08:25 AM, Jason White wrote: In mine, at least, there’s a button in the New Outlook that allows you to switch to Outlook Classic.
Just for curiosity, can you tell us how you get to it and how it's read? At one time there was a toggle to do this, which I wrote about ages ago when New Outlook was really new, in preview, and not accessible: Brian? · ♂? · ???? · ?Virginia, USA?- Windows 11 Pro, Version 24H2, Build 26100; M365 Family; Android 13 (Xiaomi HyperOS 1.0.10.0) It is much easier to be critical than to be correct. ?????? ~ Benjamin Disraeli, 1804-1881
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Re: EDGE will not share to Classic Outlook but wants to install New Outlook
I do not know what you mean by Edge "sharing" with an email client.? More details are necessary.
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Also, Outlook 2016 & 2019, along with Windows 10, all go out of support in October, so it's time to start looking at a replacement for Outlook 2019.
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Brian? · ♂? · ???? · ?Virginia, USA?- Windows 11 Pro, Version 24H2, Build 26100; M365 Family; Android 13 (Xiaomi HyperOS 1.0.10.0)
It is much easier to be critical than to be correct.
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EDGE will not share to Classic Outlook but wants to install New Outlook
I use Office 2019 and Classic Outlook.? Lately, EDGE will not share to Calas sic Outlook but only brings up a screen offering to install New Outlook.? I don't want New Outlook.
How can I get EDGE to share to Classic outlook?
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Win 11 home? 24H2, Intel i7, 16 GB ram, RTX 4060
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