On Jan 12, 2025, at 2:12?PM, JOHN RIEHL via groups.io <REALMAN02@...> wrote:

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Hi. I just upgraded to windows-11 and am using the latest versions of Office-365 and JAWS.

I’m encountering an issue saving attachments from an email to a folder on my computer.

Every morning, I get the NFB’s email with the New York times. To save the attachments to my computer, I do the following:

I get into the email and move to Save attachments and press Enter.

I press enter on Okay to save all attachments.

I shift-tab back to the list of folders and select Newspapers, which is in my Kurzweil Education folder and press Enter.

I then tab over to the okay button.

It used to be that this would save the attachments. Now it does save the attachments but it also brings up a context menu saying, “Map Network Drive”.

A sighted friend did a quick assist and told me that even though JAWS is saying that I’m on Okay, I’m actually on Tools, which is right next to the okay.

I know there is an alternative way to save the attachments, however this issue comes up when I’m saving other attachments too.

Sorry for the long email.

Is anyone else having this issue?

John Riehl

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Hi. I just upgraded to windows-11 and am using the latest versions of Office-365 and JAWS.

I'm encountering an issue saving attachments from an email to a folder on my computer.

Every morning, I get the NFB's email with the New York times. To save the attachments to my computer, I do the following:

I get into the email and move to Save attachments and press Enter.

I press enter on Okay to save all attachments.

I shift-tab back to the list of folders and select Newspapers, which is in my Kurzweil Education folder and press Enter.

I then tab over to the okay button.

It used to be that this would save the attachments. Now it does save the attachments but it also brings up a context menu saying, "Map Network Drive".

A sighted friend did a quick assist and told me that even though JAWS is saying that I'm on Okay, I'm actually on Tools, which is right next to the okay.

I know there is an alternative way to save the attachments, however this issue comes up when I'm saving other attachments too.

Sorry for the long email.

Is anyone else having this issue?

John Riehl

Given that F3 is kinda-sorta the universal accelerator key for search functionality all over Windows apps it's no surprise it's used this way in Outlook along with myriad other applications.

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. . . too many colleges are beginning to look like country clubs that happen to teach stuff, not educational institutions that happen to have a gym.

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Hi Sarah-all,

With outlook classic, office 365, latest jaws and win11, I can search by hitting f3 in outlook. Wonder if it is the same effect as produced by control-e.

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what I used to do is just stay in the inbox and hit control plus E. then my curser would always land in the search field.

I have no idea if this willhelp but those are my observations.

Thanks and happy Friday.

Sarah Alawami | Salesforce Administrator | Accessibility Consultant | Educator

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On the topic: has anybody else found searching in Outlook inconsistent? No matter if I use control plus e or alt+q, sometimes it decides to create a new message and sometimes my focus lands somewhere in the ribbons. I’d say less than half the time my curser does land in a search field. In my work I need to do these searches a lot and it feels like at one time it was a lot easier and more consistent than it has been for the last couple of years. If anybody has advise or tips to improve this process for me, I’d deeply appreciate it!

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Sarah Alawami, owner of flying Blind.???to read my story.?

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I’m not sure I’ve seen anyone advocate for the new Outlook or claim that it’s as screen reader friendly as the Classic Outlook. For me, I just recently pointed out that the Classic Outlook also has a steep learning curve, or at least it did for me. In the past, I’ve talked about giving the new Outlook a spin and pointing out some of the things I like about it. I’ve probably also mentioned that you can do quite a bit in it, although there is a learning curve and not everything is as easy as it is in Classic Outlook.

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I don’t know of a screen reader based tutorial for the new Outlook and I’m not going to write one myself. Although I’m sure they’re out there, I also don’t know of a screen reader based tutorial for Classic Outlook. For my part, I have four years to play around with the new Outlook myself and wait for webinars from Freedom Scientific, so I’m not worried at all for the moment.

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Hello. I have seen how people like myself expressing poor opinions about the New Outlook have been moderated in this mailing list. However, this is not the subject of this message although it is absolutely related. If moderators want to cast out all disparaging remarks about a service, product or app, then by antonomasia they become an either explicit or implicit advocator of such application. If I follow this logic under the assumption that someone is acting in good faith, as I also believe I’m doing myself, then advocators of the New Outlook should provide irrefutable proofs that this interface is as screen reader friendly as it is the Classic Outlook in M365 environment. They should do this by covering an extensive range of functionalities present for years in Outlook Classic in which the most extended and used screen readers (NVDA and Jaws)? have no trouble at all when interacting directly with the interface. Additionally, advocators should take into consideration that not only positive outcomes are important, meaning completion of a task, but also the strategic possibility that an interface provides for the user, meaning “how to do stuff” is directly related to cognitive differences among users. Let me portray this last statement. If we have here a mailing list? in which people is getting acquainted with the command alt plus q, and how to create a folder in Outlook, and how to filter messages, and how to rearrange accounts: well, it is only logical that advocators must give also the step by step guide to do the same in the New Outlook, which brings me to my real question because I’m also operating under the assumption that advocators are advanced users and I’m just an ignorant on this new interface. ?

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Could you, please, share a full tutorial about all the functionalities in this new outlook interface as if I were a 7 year old kid?

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Salute!

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Cheers,

Leo Bado.

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"Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master."

Pravin Lal.

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In the 60s, they just shoved the blind or deaf into a private school, or basically kept them out of public schools with the idea that they didn’t belong there.

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Of course, they did; I being one of those, believe it was/is the right thing to do.

There is no one in public school and I do mean no one, sighted or otherwise, who could/can teach me what those people taught me in blind school (braille jail).

I trusted those people explicitly because they were just as blind as I am and so I trusted and respected them completely.

I do not have that trust today with the public school racket. I would never send my blind child to a public school what so ever.

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If moderators want to cast out all disparaging remarks about a service, product or app, then by antonomasia they become an either explicit or implicit advocator of such application. Hey Leo, quit throwing out those big words. ?LOL.? I found out when I got to grade 8 in school, that I wasn’t really passing to the next grade, just being pushed to the next one because they didn’t want to deal with a blind person.? In the 60s, they just shoved the blind or deaf into a private school, or basically kept them out of public schools with the idea that they didn’t belong there. The spell checker/grammar checker is my best friend.? ??

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what I used to do is just stay in the inbox and hit control plus E. then my curser would always land in the search field.

I have no idea if this willhelp but those are my observations.

Thanks and happy Friday.

Sarah Alawami | Salesforce Administrator | Accessibility Consultant | Educator

Follow me on

On the topic: has anybody else found searching in Outlook inconsistent? No matter if I use control plus e or alt+q, sometimes it decides to create a new message and sometimes my focus lands somewhere in the ribbons. I’d say less than half the time my curser does land in a search field. In my work I need to do these searches a lot and it feels like at one time it was a lot easier and more consistent than it has been for the last couple of years. If anybody has advise or tips to improve this process for me, I’d deeply appreciate it!

Thanks

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Kristi

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Sarah Alawami, owner of flying Blind.???to read my story.?

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On the topic: has anybody else found searching in Outlook inconsistent? No matter if I use control plus e or alt+q, sometimes it decides to create a new message and sometimes my focus lands somewhere in the ribbons. I’d say less than half the time my curser does land in a search field. In my work I need to do these searches a lot and it feels like at one time it was a lot easier and more consistent than it has been for the last couple of years. If anybody has advise or tips to improve this process for me, I’d deeply appreciate it!

Thanks

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Hello. I have seen how people like myself expressing poor opinions about the New Outlook have been moderated in this mailing list. However, this is not the subject of this message although it is absolutely related. If moderators want to cast out all disparaging remarks about a service, product or app, then by antonomasia they become an either explicit or implicit advocator of such application. If I follow this logic under the assumption that someone is acting in good faith, as I also believe I’m doing myself, then advocators of the New Outlook should provide irrefutable proofs that this interface is as screen reader friendly as it is the Classic Outlook in M365 environment. They should do this by covering an extensive range of functionalities present for years in Outlook Classic in which the most extended and used screen readers (NVDA and Jaws)? have no trouble at all when interacting directly with the interface. Additionally, advocators should take into consideration that not only positive outcomes are important, meaning completion of a task, but also the strategic possibility that an interface provides for the user, meaning “how to do stuff” is directly related to cognitive differences among users. Let me portray this last statement. If we have here a mailing list? in which people is getting acquainted with the command alt plus q, and how to create a folder in Outlook, and how to filter messages, and how to rearrange accounts: well, it is only logical that advocators must give also the step by step guide to do the same in the New Outlook, which brings me to my real question because I’m also operating under the assumption that advocators are advanced users and I’m just an ignorant on this new interface. ?

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Could you, please, share a full tutorial about all the functionalities in this new outlook interface as if I were a 7 year old kid?

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Salute!

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Cheers,

Leo Bado.

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"Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master."

Pravin Lal.

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If moderators want to cast out all disparaging remarks about a service, product or app, then by antonomasia they become an either explicit or implicit advocator of such application. Hey Leo, quit throwing out those big words. ?LOL.? I found out when I got to grade 8 in school, that I wasn’t really passing to the next grade, just being pushed to the next one because they didn’t want to deal with a blind person.? In the 60s, they just shoved the blind or deaf into a private school, or basically kept them out of public schools with the idea that they didn’t belong there. The spell checker/grammar checker is my best friend.? ??

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I hope some time there is a tutorial.? Why?? Because I enabled? outlook N, and it only showed me one of my email addresses, not this one.? So how would one switch email addresses?? This one is the default email, so I muse why the N outlook went to another email address.?

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