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Please welcome Denis Sycz to the group. Here is a bit on his background. -- Stefan Wisniowski Moderator, Kresy-Siberia ---------- I'm trying to find some information on my father's family; My father was Wladyslaw SYCZ, born 23 April 1924 in Chryniki, what was then Poland. His religion was Catholic. He emigrated to Australia in 1950 aboard the S.S. Nelly. I have very little information about his family but I'm led to believe that the town of Chryniki was in the area of Boremel in the County of Dubno. (This information was from "place names of Volhynia"). Any information no matter how small would help. Thanks Denis Sycz

Greetings listers, I have forwarded your question to my Mother (in London). Meanwhile, the first Kresy Book "Wspomnienia z osad wojskowych 1921-1940" includes a list of 87 military settlements and 2 civilian, giving addresses: gm, pow and woj. Some of the articles include lists of names of the settlers too. Maybe not 100% accurate but it's always a start. There are maps and photos too. If anyone wants me to check a specific osada for names, contact me privately. Elzunia Olsson (in Sweden) <<<From: Stefan Wisniowski <swisniowski@...> Subject: Re: Pre-War List of Osada in Kresy Building on Ewa's letter, I would think that the old "association of osadnicy" may have had an archive in the Polish national archives somewhere - and it would probably have the list of osady, maps, etc. Perhaps Elzunia Olssen can ask her Mum (who is connected to the Association of the Families of the Borderland Settlers) about the name of the old association of settlers. Also, the 2nd Republic Polish government would have had files on the land grants, and they may have been preserved in the national archives in Warsaw. Can anybody suggest a way to move forward with this? Stefan>>> <<<Does anyone know whether or not the Government of Poland ever compiled a complete list of all Kresy osada (settlements) that were in existence prior to the start of World War II? Since many osada were totally destroyed during the War or by the Soviets, I would hate to think that there is no official record of these places. It would also be nice to know exactly which osada were destroyed and which (hopefully) were incorporated into the villages that they were next to, but I know it would be a miracle to find this out! Paul Havers, also a member of our group, has put forth his best effort as always, and has a list of osada on his Kresy site, but it is not all inclusive. It occurred to me that if one does not know which village was next to the osada or village in question, one may never be able to locate the place, which is truly horrible. I am fortunate in that I do know the name of the place of my father's birth. It was Hallerczyn, next to the village of Wysocko, which is near Brody. The Wisniowski and Jesionka families were deported from Brody on the same day, 10 February 1940. Of course, you all know Stefan Wisniowski, who is the moderator of this list. My grandfather Maksymilian owned the mill in Hallerczyn. I think Stefan's grandfather was similar to what we call in the US, the county extension agent. His job was to inform local farmers of the newest methods or to help them with specific problems related to farming. We both like to think our grandfathers knew one another, and I am fairly certain that they did. I can imagine Stefan's grandfather asking mine, "Maks, from what you've seen of the crops, who needs my help?" Eve Jankowicz New Jersey, USA >>>

Czesc do Wszystkich Sybirakow na e-mail. Mam kilka adresow ktore podam ponizej: Aleksander Slowotenko prezes, Fundacja Charytatywna Polakow Syberyjskich Rosja, 630136, Nowosybirsk, skr.p.316, tel 7 383 2527539 e-mail: sibpol@.... Warto by miec kontact z prawdziwymi Sybirakami, ale w jakim jezyku, prawdopodobnie polskim lub ruskim. Fr Antoni Badura CMF, General Vicar, Russia, 66000, Krasnojarsk, p.o. box 25216 phone: 7 3912 275 571, e mail: cmf@... Zwiazek Sybirakow na Florydzie. Waclaw Gorski prezes, PO Box 48816St Petersburg, F l 33743-9916 USA, Telefon i Fax 1727 348 2099 niestety e mail adresu nie ma. Narazie tyle. Mam inne wiadomosci do przekazania ale na dzisiaj tyle Czesc i pozdrowiena Wanda Truksa Kanada

Please welcome Darren King to the group. Darren, if you had any of the details of the deportees (names, birth dates, village of residence, deportation dates) it is possible that one of the databases might yield particulars on where they were sent and when - and perhaps how they got out (especially if they ended up in Siberia). As our group grows, the chances of shared places of origin increases. Again, welcome. -- Stefan Wisniowski Moderator, Kresy-Siberia ----------

Here is a message from Alexander in Moscow. -- Stefan ----------

Hello to John Zubal' and welcome to the Kresy-Siberia group. As you may know, our focus is on the Polish citizens who lived primarily in eastern Poland and were deported east by the Soviets (and by the Tsars before them). A large number of the citizens of the Wolyn, Lwów, Tarnopol and Polesie provinces of Kresy in inter-war Poland, formerly Galicia in the Austrian Empire, were Rusyns and Ukrainians - and a number of them (especially those who were property owners) were deported east by the Soviets. I hope that you may be able to share some of your research with the group. -- Stefan Wisniowski Moderator, Kresy-Siberia ----------

Please welcome Rachael Jarosh to the group. Rachael, I would immediately direct you to the website http://www.AForgottenOdyssey.com This has a rich set of links to various sites with background information. It will take you hours to surf them all - it is like hitting a rich vein of gold! There is a book in English that can be ordered at the link "Stalin's Ethnic Cleansing" that tells the survivors' stories. You may also wish to view the film documentary, which is excellent and recounts the experiences of the survivors. While it has been shown on the UK History Channel, it has not been broadcast in the US yet and is not yet commercially distributed. However, the producers (Jagna and Aneta) have made it available for viewing by Polonia groups and their guests. We do not yet have a contact in Minnesota (closest is Wes in Chicago) - if you are interested in organising something in MN please let me know! If you wish to research your families records in the Soviet archives, Dr Alexander Guryanov of the Polish Committee of Memorial in Moscow has kindly offered to organise searches for our group members. Please visit the website and check the previous messages for details (or e-mail me off list). Finally, please visit our Kresy-Siberia website and read the archived messages to catch up on the conversation and read some of the other members' introductions. The group is still pretty new, but has nearly 60 members and 250 messages already. Rachel, we have people in the group who personally (or their families) went through Siberia and Persia, and some through the African and the Indian refugee camps. I am sure that this growing group will help speed you on your journey of discovery enormously. Please ask us any specific questions and let us know how your research progresses. -- Stefan Wisniowski Moderator, Kresy-Siberia ----------

A Forgotten Odyssey was shown last night on the History channel there's also another film worth watching as it should show parts of the Kresy regions it's a three part documentary on Stalin shown a part each night today it should show the period up to the Soviet invasion of Poland since it has been going in that direction. I'll tape it and if I'm right I 'll let the group know Paul

This is in response to the recent exchanges between Ed and Janie, both of which are well-meaning and both of which are partly right! Ed is right that the referenced Holocaust Museum website seems to be oriented towards Jewish survivors. Janie is right that it is open to all survivors of the Nazi-Soviet alliance. There are many ways to look at these things, depending where you are coming from. I am going to make a couple of statements but they are not meant so much to stimulate a debate, but rather to try to set a tone for this group and to progress the cause of the eastern Polish victims of Soviet aggression. Please bear with me and pardon the length of this response. In general, the Kresy-Siberia group is set up to be a mutually supportive and collaborative one promoting "Research, Remembrance and Recognition", and it is REPECTFULLY REQUESTED that members maintain that spirit in order to retain their membership. The question that Janie and Ed are debating is whether Polish survivors of Soviet persecution can and should be recognised and remembered at the Holocaust Museum in Washington. First of all it is a fact that they can. I wrote to them and asked directly if I could register my family who were persecuted by the Soviets in 1940-42, and they said yes and sent me registration forms. Here is a quote from their site: "the Registry defines a Holocaust survivor as anyone who suffered persecutions by Nazis and/or their allies as a result of the racial, political or ethnic policies from 1933 to 1945 and who survived the end of World War II: camp survivors, political prisoners, persons in hiding, refugees from territories under rule of Germany and its allies, as well as evacuees from territories which were occupied later, etc. Other victims of persecution by the Nazis and their allies... are also considered survivors" As you know, the Soviets were the allies of the Nazis in the destruction of Poland from 1939 to 1941. Second of all, and here is where I am expressing a personal opinion, I believe that the Polish survivors SHOULD be registered and recognised at the Holocaust Museum. Let me explain why. It is true that the U.S. Holocaust Museum is dominated by remembrance of Jewish victims. This is not surprising, as the Jews were a primary target of the Nazi genocide and drove the establishment of the museum. However, while it is normal to feel it unfair that Polish victims of the Nazis (and the Soviets) are not recognised in the same way as the Jewish victims are, the question is what to do about it and how to change that. I suggest that the best way to change this is for the Poles to take their place alongside the other victims and recognise their suffering together, rather than to avoid the established memorial centres as being "only for the Jews". The Holocaust Museum in Washington was set up by the American Government as THE institution to remember and recognise ALL victims of the Nazis and their allies. In the absence of a POLISH-ONLY HOLOCAUST MUSEUM, why not take advantage of the U.S. HOLOCAUST MUSEUM to recognise our families and their courage to survive the Soviets? Here's an idea that has fired my imagination! For the Registry's purposes, anyone displaced by the racial, political and ethnic policies of the Nazis or their allies who survived until the end of the war is considered a survivor. The Registry of Holocaust Survivors currently contains the names of over 115,000 survivors - most in the United States or Canada, although some from survivors who live in other countries. Imagine how public opinion would be shaped if we were to register the names of the over 100,000 Polish survivors of the Soviet Gulags who escaped through Persia with General Anders at the Holocaust Museum? Though we actually have tens of thousands of names and brief histories at the Hoover Institution, the only catch is that survivors need to fill out the registration themselves or be registered by their relatives. Okay, so that let's Irene at the Hoover off the hook! But what if the 50 members of this group registered their own family survivors

Interesting site. Could be added to The Forgotten Odyssey JR J Roy-Wojciechowski Honorary Consul, Republic of Poland I'm sure that those of us who don't read polish :-/ would find it interesting to....anyone care to step up to the plate and translate for us? would appreciate it, thanks - janie :-)

I'm in the process of moving my home pages to a new domain, the old one is still accessible but it won't be updated it will be switched of once the move is complete. The new address is www.paulhavers.co.uk it is active but at the moment there's nothing on it If you require any information from the old domain (www.havers-family.co.uk) you can still access it.(for the time being) The transfer should be complete early next week. The Kresy domain will remain as it is. Paul

FW: data base This message is from George Krajewski in Australia. (George, you can write directly to the group at Kresy-Siberia@...) -- Stefan Wisniowski Moderator, Kresy-Siberia

Re: a forgotten odyssey. Hi Edwin Thanks for your letter. I want to tell you about the Kresy-Siberia group on the internet and invite you to join us and learn about this history. I will seek an update from the film producers on distribution of the film. To answer your question as to "why the story can now be told", here is my humble opinion. 1. The fall of the communist empire in Eastern Europe and the Soviet Union has allowed these issues to be spoken of openly and researched in those countries behind the former Iron Curtain. 2. As for the UK, I believe that the government there continues to deny any responsibility for the public cover-up of the wartime Soviet atrocities at Katyn and of the Soviet occupation of Kresy (eastern Poland) and the persecution and ethnic cleansing of Poland's citizens there and deported from there to Siberia. The idea was that any bad news about the Soviet Allies would undermine the Allied war effort against the Germans; it was the Poles loyal duty to keep quiet about what had happened to them ("or else?"). The showing of the film on the History Channel in 2001 (62 years later) was the result of a long struggle by the producers - I believe that the BBC is still resisting... -- Stefan Wisniowski Moderator, Kresy-Siberia

The Home pages are up and running, if you venture to the old domain you will be redirected to the NEW one there's a few glitches but nothing major, will sort them out by the weekend Kresy remains the same Paul ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Home page; www.paulhavers.co.uk Eastern Borderlands of II RP; www.kresy.co.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This message has been checked for all known Viruses ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Hello everyone, I wanted to let you know that with the kind help of Irena Chernichowska, I received documents written by my grandfather, two of my aunts, and one of my grand uncles. The documents are part of the Wladyslaw Anders Collection, East European Section at Hoover. I am so thankful that my relatives wrote the documents, which are all so varied, each describing another part of what occurred: the political climate and goings-on of the times including ALL local ethnic groups, the invasion of the Red Army, confiscation of livestock, farm equipment and crops, and military uniforms, guns, and ammunition, being rousted in the middle of the night, death threats, my grandfather going into hiding for two months, Soviet-style elections, and more. The events described took place in Hallerczyn, pow. Brody, and Czabarowka, pow. Kopyczynice. Both were in Tarnopol woj. My father's oldest sibling, who is my godmother, also included a poem with her statement. To my great surprise today when I dropped everything off at her house, she presented me with my grandfather's "Ksiaz~eczka Wojskowa," which I am almost certain is my grandfather's military record book, passport size. She also gave me a poem written by my grandfather to my grandmother for her birthday. It was not dated, but was written in the Middle East. It has been very difficult at times trying to communicate with this aunt, but she is the most important person to my family history since she is the oldest and has the most knowledge. One moment she is overjoyed with what I am doing, yet the next time I talk to her she makes me wonder why I even bother with it all! I feel that this changed when she saw the Hoover legacy she left today. Well, I am keeping my fingers crossed! From my father's family there are only three survivors: my godmother above, who was 20 years old when deported, my aunt who was 14 at deportation, and the youngest of the family, my aunt who was 8 years old when deported. Not everyone has seen the documents yet, but those who have are very happy. Thank you, Irena, and Hoover! What I received from the Institution has also given my work validation. Sadly, my grandfather died two months after his arrival in the US and a few months before my birth. I really feel that I know him now, and I am sure that he would be extremely pleased with all I have done. Eve Jesionka Jankowicz New Jersey, USA

My Mother's given me an address for the Rodzin Osadnikow in Poland. They should have archives and lists. Stowarzyszenie Rodzin Osadnikow Wojskowych i Cywilnych Kresow Wschodnich ul. Grochowska 84m5 04-301 Warszawa tel: 610-52-19 Maybe someone in Warszawa can contact them for the group... Elzunia Olsson

Oops - I've just looked at the map myself - no need for a translation. Grace

I have come across the following book on Amazon, and thought it may be of interest to the group. here is the web reference: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0595168639/qid=1006695454/sr=8-1/ref= sr_8_5_1/107-5920966-9472545 -- Stefan Wisniowski Moderator, Kresy-Siberia Stolen Childhood : A Saga of Polish War Children by Lucjan Krolikowski, Kazimierz J. Rozniatowski (Translator), Jan Mazur List Price: $21.95 Availability: Usually ships within 24 hours Only 1 left in stock--order soon (more on the way). Paperback - 348 pages (February 2001) iUniverse.com; ISBN: 0595168639 ; Dimensions (in inches): 0.84 x 9.04 x 6.03 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Editorial Reviews Book Description The post-WWII adventures of 150 Polish children deported to Russian and ultimately rescued by a Franciscan priest who was branded a kidnapper by a Communist government. Stolen Childhood is the story of what happened to some 380,000 Polish children who, with their families, were rounded up by Stalin's orders in 1939 and deported into Asiatic Russia. Lucjan Krolikowski, a young seminarian also deported there, shared and witnessed the suffering of his fellow Poles. Freed by an "amnesty," he joined the Polish Army, and when it moved to the Middle East, Lucjan resumed his theology studies, pronounced his vows, and became a chaplain to a Polish military hospital in Egypt. Reassigned to refugee camps in East Africa, Fr. Lucjan and the wandering Polish children met again in 1947--a meeting that began a long and loving relationship. In 1949 when the Warsaw Communists claimed guardianship of the Polish orphans in Africa and demanded their repatriation, Fr. Lucjan was forced into a world of international intrigue. Called by the Communists "a kidnapper on an international scale," to his orphans he was the Good Shepherd who led them to Canada, where he helped his charges overcome the theft of their childhood and become secure adults in a new world. Stolen Childhood is the book of memories he wrote for them, and a cautionary history for people of good will. ------------------------------------------------------------------------

I also am appealing to any one who can find the town of SANOK in any off the kind Doctors work , I have read that with in the first week of the German occupation some 200 of the towns leading Jews were sent over the San river to the Russian occupied area but I cannot find any thing else. The name SCHUDMAK is not listed in the Holocaust. Await further developments regards ELIZABETH

Hi Paul Right now the site is being hosted on a friends system so space etc isn't an issue. The server is parked at a server farm in Vancouver. If it does become an issue later, I also have a server of my own which is in a smaller bandwidth server farm. I can move the site over if needed. The ownder of the existing server has also offered to help me get the database started. He knows perl/cgi/php/mysql etc. Steve Paul Havers wrote: