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Re: SX-110 Alignment Puzzle
开云体育I can't open deja vu on my cell phone. Most receivers with single crystal filters adjust the IF to the crystal frequency.? ?A very few,? like the Collins 51J series need to have an exact IF frequency due to the way the tuning is done but this is very rare.?? Despite the discussion about signal generator calibration and stability it should be possible to align a simple IF with a service grade generator.? The crystal establishes the frequency. Since the overall bandwidth of the IF is considerably wider than the crystal great precision is not necessary.?? In most cases the crystal stage will have input tuning, a loading adjustment to set broadest crystal bandwidth, and maybe a neutralizing adjustment to center the phasing notch.?? Some earlier receivers have essentially a fixed crystal bandwidth and fixed phasing adjustment.? These use the original Lamb circuit.? The adjustment procedure is rather different from the later Hammarlund type filter.? Can be confusing but I don't think the earlier filter was used after aboutb1950. -------- Original message -------- From: don Root <drootofallevil@...> Date: 11/10/22 11:59 AM (GMT-08:00) Subject: Re: [HallicraftersRadios] SX-110 Alignment Puzzle Hi Steve again I believe from previous posts re the sx-110, you are trying to understand and implement the original instructions,? rather than use newer? techniques. Due to your previous posts I have run into all kinds of stuff about crystals on the www; so thanks for the incentive. ? As to your specific query: My guess is that the note for step 2means…. frequency of the crystal [ not just the IF transformers]? , and it does not say “exact”? so is likely ballpark freq of ztal.? In the next step? I think it means the exact frequency of the that specific ztal in that specific circuit. I can only guess that for an older generator, you can adjust the frequency in small increments, but the readout of frequency is limited, so it will be hard to “dial it in”, so I think their intent is keep the generator setting from step 2 , and use it [don’t change it] to begin step 3 ?since step 3 is so sharp… just my guess. ? From some of my readings, step 2 cannot easily produce an “exact” frequency, at least with equipment of the time.? ? As I read your attachment , I can only assume that IF you are using the Original crystal , the factory has set step 2 .. so it is not really necessary to repeat it; but if you change crystals [your situation?]? you should do step 2? This is my thought on what the instructions means; some others must have a better explanation. 73, Don VA3DRL ? ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of KW4H via groups.io ? All, ? The IF alignment procedure as spelled out in the SX-110’s Operating and Service Manual is a little confusing in one spot (see attached). In step 2 you adjust the top slug of the first IF transformer (alignment point "A") for a dip on your output meter (a VTVM, usually) (while varying the generator frequency some) – and the factory note says indicates that this alignment is to the frequency of the crystal. Fine -- I've found that null and know the frequency of that exact point. In the next step, however, you are asked to switch to sharp and “adjust the generator frequency for maximum output” and that this is the “exact frequency of the crystal”. So, which is it? I thought the frequency of the crystal was determined in step 2?? See the language in the factory note below step 2.? Thoughts? ? 73 – Steve, KW4H
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Re: SX-110 Alignment Puzzle
开云体育Hi Steve again I believe from previous posts re the sx-110, you are trying to understand and implement the original instructions,? rather than use newer? techniques. Due to your previous posts I have run into all kinds of stuff about crystals on the www; so thanks for the incentive. ? As to your specific query: My guess is that the note for step 2means…. frequency of the crystal [ not just the IF transformers]? , and it does not say “exact”? so is likely ballpark freq of ztal.? In the next step? I think it means the exact frequency of the that specific ztal in that specific circuit. I can only guess that for an older generator, you can adjust the frequency in small increments, but the readout of frequency is limited, so it will be hard to “dial it in”, so I think their intent is keep the generator setting from step 2 , and use it [don’t change it] to begin step 3 ?since step 3 is so sharp… just my guess. ? From some of my readings, step 2 cannot easily produce an “exact” frequency, at least with equipment of the time.? ? As I read your attachment , I can only assume that IF you are using the Original crystal , the factory has set step 2 .. so it is not really necessary to repeat it; but if you change crystals [your situation?]? you should do step 2? This is my thought on what the instructions means; some others must have a better explanation. 73, Don VA3DRL ? ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of KW4H via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2022 9:46 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [HallicraftersRadios] SX-110 Alignment Puzzle ? All, ? The IF alignment procedure as spelled out in the SX-110’s Operating and Service Manual is a little confusing in one spot (see attached). In step 2 you adjust the top slug of the first IF transformer (alignment point "A") for a dip on your output meter (a VTVM, usually) (while varying the generator frequency some) – and the factory note says indicates that this alignment is to the frequency of the crystal. Fine -- I've found that null and know the frequency of that exact point. In the next step, however, you are asked to switch to sharp and “adjust the generator frequency for maximum output” and that this is the “exact frequency of the crystal”. So, which is it? I thought the frequency of the crystal was determined in step 2?? See the language in the factory note below step 2.? Thoughts? ? 73 – Steve, KW4H _._,_._,_ |
Re: SX-110 Alignment Puzzle
开云体育You make a good point.? And the truth is that I have both a NanoVNA and a TinySA.? Haven’t done much with the NanoVNA yet – it might be time to learn something new. ? 73 – Steve, KW4H ? From: <[email protected]> on behalf of W7WRX <clark@...> ? I think they are just saying to rock it back and forth in freq to make sure it's peaked.? A generator of that time period was not dead stable and they had no digital read out of xtal freq. If you are monitoring the freq on a more modern gen or counter, you can just leave it be.? ? The real question is? , why not use a 55 dollar nanovna to adjust these cans?? It's far superior and provides a picture of the band pass so you can adjust them perfectly.? ? ? There are tons of videos on how Including Carlson's lab on YouTube. ? C ? On Nov 10, 2022 7:46 AM, "KW4H via groups.io" <reedsteve@...> wrote:
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Re: SX-110 Alignment Puzzle
开云体育I think they are just saying to rock it back and forth in freq to make sure it's peaked.? A generator of that time period was not dead stable and they had no digital read out of xtal freq. If you are monitoring the freq on a more modern gen
or counter, you can just leave it be.?
The real question is?
, why not use a 55 dollar nanovna to adjust these cans?? It's far superior and provides a picture of the band pass so you can adjust them perfectly.? ?
There are tons of videos on how Including Carlson's lab on YouTube.
C
On Nov 10, 2022 7:46 AM, "KW4H via groups.io" <reedsteve@...> wrote:
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SX-110 Alignment Puzzle
开云体育All, ? The IF alignment procedure as spelled out in the SX-110’s Operating and Service Manual is a little confusing in one spot (see attached). In step 2 you adjust the top slug of the first IF transformer (alignment point "A") for a dip on your output meter (a VTVM, usually) (while varying the generator frequency some) – and the factory note says indicates that this alignment is to the frequency of the crystal. Fine -- I've found that null and know the frequency of that exact point. In the next step, however, you are asked to switch to sharp and “adjust the generator frequency for maximum output” and that this is the “exact frequency of the crystal”. So, which is it? I thought the frequency of the crystal was determined in step 2?? See the language in the factory note below step 2.? Thoughts? ? 73 – Steve, KW4H |
Re: HA-5 PART NEEDED
开云体育Hi Joe, I have a 4.7uHy choke that you are welcome to if you are still looking. From looking at the schematic, I think this might be close enough. Let me know if you want it, and I will drop it in the mail. Bob,?
K7DYB On 11/4/2022 7:41 AM, Joe Hargis wrote:
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Re: SX-110 Crystal Instability
开云体育The crystal came from AF4K Crystals.? Good service and a fair price.? They have a wide range of crystals available. ? 73 – Steve, KW4H ? ? From: <[email protected]> on behalf of Dan <pitfit@...> ? Steve, very nice, well done. ? Did you mention in an earlier email where you ordered the 455.000 crystal from? ? Dan WB4GRA
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Re: Hallicrafters Equipment For Sale
开云体育Hello Richard,?I understand you are wanting to sell as a complete lot, however if you would at some point like to sell the ha-8 and ha-10 separately please keep me in mind. I would love to add them to my collection. Thanks, 73 Sam Bowman KE0ZKA? On Nov 7, 2022, at 1:21 PM, Richard <raitchd@...> wrote:
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Re: SX-110 Crystal Instability
开云体育Steve, very nice, well done.Did you mention in an earlier email where you ordered the 455.000 crystal from? Dan WB4GRA On Nov 7, 2022, at 5:45 PM, KW4H via groups.io <reedsteve@...> wrote:
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Re: SX-110 Crystal Instability
开云体育Steve:? sorry about your wasted time.. at least they let you go! Thanks for reply, with good news on new xtal. Very good pic of xtal in radio! Seems that old one was not intended to be moved? or maybe shaken. Keep on with your restoration projects. 73, Don va3drl ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of KW4H via groups.io
Sent: Monday, November 7, 2022 5:45 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [HallicraftersRadios] SX-110 Crystal Instability ? Apologies for the delay in responding – I had jury duty today, and was (fortunately) blown out the airlock.? It seems that the moment the attorneys discover you have a technical background and might be somewhat analytical, they have no interest in keeping you.? Anyway… ? On the crystal – I replaced it (see photo of the new crystal) and all appears to be well.? The original crystal (which I opened to inspect) is a flat sheet sandwiched between two flat electrodes.? The crystal is centered on the electrodes by way of a window in the white plastic piece that’s sandwiched in the middle.? If you test the crystal out of circuit, the resonant frequency will change if you ever-so-slightly move the crystal.? And turning it over or even on its side will definitely alter things.? Put it up to your ear and shake, and it rattles.? I read somewhere that these crystals were designed that way, and in most instances the frequency variation is small enough that it has little to no effect on the intended use.? In other words, it was cheaper and did the job, so that’s the way it was. ?I’m going to run some more out-of-circuit tests to better analyze just how much variation was in that old crystal.? The new one is working fine – no need to remove it and put the original back in. ? 73 – Steve, KW4H =======trmd ? ? =======trim |
Re: SX-110 Crystal Instability
开云体育Apologies for the delay in responding – I had jury duty today, and was (fortunately) blown out the airlock.? It seems that the moment the attorneys discover you have a technical background and might be somewhat analytical, they have no interest in keeping you.? Anyway… ? On the crystal – I replaced it (see photo of the new crystal) and all appears to be well.? The original crystal (which I opened to inspect) is a flat sheet sandwiched between two flat electrodes.? The crystal is centered on the electrodes by way of a window in the white plastic piece that’s sandwiched in the middle.? If you test the crystal out of circuit, the resonant frequency will change if you ever-so-slightly move the crystal.? And turning it over or even on its side will definitely alter things.? Put it up to your ear and shake, and it rattles.? I read somewhere that these crystals were designed that way, and in most instances the frequency variation is small enough that it has little to no effect on the intended use.? In other words, it was cheaper and did the job, so that’s the way it was. ?I’m going to run some more out-of-circuit tests to better analyze just how much variation was in that old crystal.? The new one is working fine – no need to remove it and put the original back in. ? 73 – Steve, KW4H ? From: <[email protected]> on behalf of don Root <drootofallevil@...> ? ? Yes Richard? what I sent is likely? about a permanent shift? in frequency;? it likely does not closely relate to the original posting, but is an aside, closely related to xtal frequency shifts in general. There is no info about where the xtal came from. I was looking for , and then ran into the xtal stuff I am interested in your comments, but I have no expertise on this: just interested in learning about what others have run across. Seems to me the cause of Steve’s? xtal frequency jumping?? remains unclear, at least to me.? Wonder if Steve got his new xtal and tried it? 73, Don VA3DRL ? ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Richard Knoppow
Sent: Monday, November 7, 2022 2:52 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [HallicraftersRadios] SX-110 Crystal Instability ? I suspect this is not a plated crystal but a plain crystal held between plane electrodes on both sides.? ?It seems to me that migrated solder would cause a permanent shift in frequency rather than one that changed with position.? Opening the holder would tell you.? I think the op said he had opened it. I think the crystal is loose in the holder.? It can't be too tight but also should not move around.? One reason the phasing setting changes could be a change in the holder capacitance due to loosness. ? ? ? ? ? -------- Original message -------- From: don Root <drootofallevil@...> Date: 11/7/22 11:29 AM (GMT-08:00) Subject: Re: [HallicraftersRadios] SX-110 Crystal Instability ? steve
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Re: SX-110 Crystal Instability
开云体育? Yes Richard? what I sent is likely? about a permanent shift? in frequency;? it likely does not closely relate to the original posting, but is an aside, closely related to xtal frequency shifts in general. There is no info about where the xtal came from. I was looking for , and then ran into the xtal stuff I am interested in your comments, but I have no expertise on this: just interested in learning about what others have run across. Seems to me the cause of Steve’s? xtal frequency jumping?? remains unclear, at least to me.? Wonder if Steve got his new xtal and tried it? 73, Don VA3DRL ? ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Richard Knoppow
Sent: Monday, November 7, 2022 2:52 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [HallicraftersRadios] SX-110 Crystal Instability ? I suspect this is not a plated crystal but a plain crystal held between plane electrodes on both sides.? ?It seems to me that migrated solder would cause a permanent shift in frequency rather than one that changed with position.? Opening the holder would tell you.? I think the op said he had opened it. I think the crystal is loose in the holder.? It can't be too tight but also should not move around.? One reason the phasing setting changes could be a change in the holder capacitance due to loosness. ? ? ? ? ? -------- Original message -------- From: don Root <drootofallevil@...> Date: 11/7/22 11:29 AM (GMT-08:00) Subject: Re: [HallicraftersRadios] SX-110 Crystal Instability ? steve ? =======trim _._,_._,_ ? |
Re: SX-110 Crystal Instability
And for those non-microscopists/ non-biology majors:
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BSE = backscattered electrons
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SEM = scanning electron microscope
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Bob K3AC
In a message dated 11/7/2022 2:28:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, drootofallevil@... writes: ?
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Re: SX-110 Crystal Instability
开云体育I suspect this is not a plated crystal but a plain crystal held between plane electrodes on both sides.? ?It seems to me that migrated solder would cause a permanent shift in frequency rather than one that changed with position.? Opening the holder would tell you.? I think the op said he had opened it. I think the crystal is loose in the holder.? It can't be too tight but also should not move around.? One reason the phasing setting changes could be a change in the holder capacitance due to loosness. -------- Original message -------- From: don Root <drootofallevil@...> Date: 11/7/22 11:29 AM (GMT-08:00) Subject: Re: [HallicraftersRadios] SX-110 Crystal Instability steve ? |
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Hallicrafters Equipment For Sale
I have for sale the following 16 Hallicrafters radio items. I can no longer afford the space or time to use them. I have previously operated most if not all of the items. I know some of them worked, but I don't remember which. The rest may or may not have worked. Consider all of them not working, so your only surprise will be most work. The physical condition of each item is very nice. I am including a couple of pictures. Additional pictures would be difficult to get. I can no longer safely lift most of the pieces to allow more photos. Manuals are included for most items. ? Qty. ? 2? ? ? @? $350 ea? ?SX-117 Receivers 2 ? ? ? @ $300 ea? ?HT-44 Transmitters 1? ? ? ?@ $350?SR-160 Transceiver (3 Band 80, 40, 20 M) 2? ? ? ?@ $400 ea??SR-150 Transceivers (5 Band 80, 40, 20, 15, 10 M) 5? ? ? ?@ $125 ea? ?PS-150-120 Power Supplies 1? ? ? ?@ $100?HA-8 Splatter Guard 1? ? ? ?@ $100?HA-10 LF/MF Tuner 1? ? ? ?@ $100??HA-1 TO Keyer 1? ? ? ?@ $100? S-108 Receiver ? The items will have to be picked up in Ellettsville, IN and will have to be removed from my basement. ? |
Re: Dust Cover for my SX-17
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On Nov 5, 2022, at 4:06 PM, Richard Knoppow <1oldlens1@...> wrote:
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Re: Dust Cover for my SX-17
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-------- Original message -------- From: "Bill (Group Owner)" <k2wh@...> Date: 11/5/22 12:40 PM (GMT-08:00) Subject: [HallicraftersRadios] Dust Cover for my SX-17 ? K2WH
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