If a message that is sent out as a special notice every month - can it be pinned and locked from its inception ? barry

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Brendan,

Thinking out loud but having & sharing a large percentage of the userbase amongst the groups is just one factor, there are other factors & considerations (and potential headaches) as well, some possibly on your end.? With the large number of groups you manage (I don't envy you BTW! :), and not knowing the type/variety of groups you have, it may end up being more of a headache managing your groupset as subgroups vs individual groups, I don't know.? You'd still have to manage the same number of groups but now you'd also have to worry about making sure any settings/changes/whatever are not possibly conflicting or causing unintended results on the rest of the groupset.

Then there would be the planning part also, for example, how would my current (main) group now may possibly have to change to accommodate all the types+functionality+setup+needs of the subgroups?? There may be some change you may have to do to the main group that you don't want or really like, for example a new subgroup user may or may not like the main group's function, so you could possibly set the default main group subscription to NoEmail to be on the safe side, but on the other hand you want the default on the main group to be something else because that other setting works perfect for it.

You'd have to go to each group and edit all static URL/link references in notices, wiki, etc to the new links.? Possibly also adjust any other group setting which you've added a link like on footers.? Forget about changing links within the message archive, too much work, they will now be broken.? Maybe Mark's "move" process accounts for all this and changes the links for you since the move is really only taking place in the database pretty-much, I have no idea.? Regardless of that, you'd also have to manually edit any links to the groups outside of GIO.? And if you currently have guideline-rules documents/pages setup on your groups, you'd now have to edit all of them to add info on how to manage their main group membership besides the (sub)group membership.?

Cheers,
Christos

Bruce . . .

On Wed, 04 May 2022 04:51:16 -0700, "Bruce Bowman" <bruce.bowman@...> wrote:

There may be something else going on. See

Sounds like a blacklisting problem of some kind.

Wouldn't Frances' suggestion about having the member subscribe to the calendar
to merge it with their Google (or other compatible calendar circumvent that
problem as far as calendar events are concerned?

If multiple members are affected, and if this is the case, it might be worth
sending out instructions on how to do that so no one will miss the events.

Donald


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On Wed, May 4, 2022 at 08:59 AM, Brendan Quinn wrote:

The groups all have slightly different memberships, but there is a lot of crossover. We have some groups that are public (can be joined with no approval) and some that need approval (we check that you're a member of our organisation before letting you in)

It sounds like it might be a good idea to have one main group and then make all of our discussion groups subgroups. (It sounds like that's how I should have done it in the first place.)

Brendan -- Perhaps so, if it makes sense for your organizational structure. The biggest "gotcha" is that everyone must become of member of the main group before (or at the same time as) they join a subgroup. This can lead to difficulties with people posting to the "wrong" group by accident and/or managing all the subgroup memberships.

Optimally, you might have subgroups in place for [say] the organization's board of directors, subcommittees, SIGs within the main topic, etc. so that such folks can discuss tangential subjects. Most of the message traffic would occur in the main group.

Not saying that you can't make things work in some other fashion, but this is the way it's all designed. See?/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/1039#Examples?for some examples.

Why? For one thing, we're considering using Auth0 for single sign-on authentication (under their non-profit plan) and it seems that groups.io would require each group to be on the Enterprise plan to get the integration. That would add up to a LOT of money for our very small organisation.

Agreed that 26 Enterprise groups doesn't make a lot of sense in this context and would be prohibitively expensive.

Also it seems that administration might be easier, for me and for our members.

I have not found this to be the case. If anything, you'll probably find it to be more rigid (and difficult for members to wrap their heads around), when it comes to keeping track of everyone's subscriptions. But perhaps the Auth0 opportunity would override this...I have insufficient experience with it to advise on that.

So, is there a way to move a regular group to become a sub-group of another group? I couldn't find anything in the Owners Manual or help pages.

Normally, no. However, in the past Mark (owner of groups.io) has occasionally intervened to move groups into subgroups, in exchange for appropriate remuneration. Since you're talking about establishing an Enterprise group, I suspect that would provide sufficient motivation for him to help with this.

Try sending an email to [email protected]?and hopefully you'll get some kind of response. Just understand that if you do make this change and decide you don't like it, he's unlikely to help you change it back.

Good luck,
Bruce

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Hi all,

When I moved our organisation's lists over from Yahoo! Groups a few years ago, I created everything as separate groups, so we now have 26 different groups in groups.io.

The groups all have slightly different memberships, but there is a lot of crossover. We have some groups that are public (can be joined with no approval) and some that need approval (we check that you're a member of our organisation before letting you in)

It sounds like it might be a good idea to have one main group and then make all of our discussion groups subgroups. (It sounds like that's how I should have done it in the first place.)

Why? For one thing, we're considering using Auth0 for single sign-on authentication (under their non-profit plan) and it seems that groups.io would require each group to be on the Enterprise plan to get the integration. That would add up to a LOT of money for our very small organisation.

Also it seems that administration might be easier, for me and for our members.

So, is there a way to move a regular group to become a sub-group of another group? I couldn't find anything in the Owners Manual or help pages.

Thanks,

Brendan.?

There may be something else going on. See??

Sounds like a blacklisting problem of some kind.

Bruce

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i don't understand what you:te saying here.? Due to what?? They srnd me rmail saying that they eould have attended an event IF ONLY they knew about it but they never got the measeage.? i'm asking for help in determining WHY they don't get yhe Special Notices.? They DO get other rmails from the group as well as replies to yhe announcements. All of which come from single email afdress TO dingle email address.??

Help available from Groups.io help and GMF wiki.

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On Tue, May 3, 2022 at 05:44 PM, Sharon Allen wrote:

I've told them to make Groups.IO a trusted /preferred/allowed sender but they seem to not understand the concept.

Have them take a look at??

Regards,
Bruce

P.S.?Curious here as to why you're sending this stuff as a special notice in the first place.

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They're not going to spam or junk(or so they say) - they don't show up anywhere. ? I've told them to make Groups.IO a trusted /preferred/allowed sender but they seem to not understand the concept. ??. Thank you for trying to help. ?

On Mon, May 2, 2022 at 03:50 PM, Sharon Allen wrote:

I was told that Apple, in their infinite attempt at protecting their users, blocks all emails going to large numbers of addresses

If that's the case (and I'm not sure it is), it relates to people with .icloud or .me email addresses, not those using Apple devices.?

Pete

I use Apple devices and get Special Notices. I'm also a group owner. When my members don't get a message, I ask them to check their spam/junk folder. If the messages are ending up there, adding the groups.io address to their ?trusted contacts usually solves the issue.
Karin, owner BuddyDogs

On Mon, May 2, 2022 at 03:50 PM, Sharon Allen wrote:

I didn't see this addressed but forgive me if it already was.? Members of my group complain that they don't get Special Notices that weree sent out and only see them when a member replies.? This only the case for my members who receive mail on Apple devices and regardless of email address be it gmail,, yahoo, whatever.
What can I do - how can I advise them to remedy the problem?? I was told that Apple, in their infinite attempt at protecting their users, blocks all emails going to large numbers of addresses and that members see the replies because they come from a single sender TO a single address.??
Help, please!? And thank you in advance.

I get them and I use Apple products. In my Gmail account and in my Mail program.

Frances
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I didn't see this addressed but forgive me if it already was.? Members of my group complain that they don't get Special Notices that weree sent out and only see them when a member replies.? This only the case for my members who receive mail on Apple devices and regardless of email address be it gmail,, yahoo, whatever.
What can I do - how can I advise them to remedy the problem?? I was told that Apple, in their infinite attempt at protecting their users, blocks all emails going to large numbers of addresses and that members see the replies because they come from a single sender TO a single address.??
Help, please!? And thank you in advance.
Sharon Allen, owner/Moderator NHpleinAirArtists

On Mon, May 2, 2022 at 12:10 PM, Donald Hellen wrote:

So am I correct in understanding that once a member is bouncing, it won't fix
itself if it was a problem on the member's ISP end of things?

Bouncing (blue) means that Groups.io tried to send a message and got 'soft' errors or something like that.? If Groups.io tries 4 more times and doesn't get a good response, then the member becomes Bounced (red).? It's all explained in more detail in the GMF wiki and the Owners Manual.

Duane
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Lots of detailed information can be found in the Owners Manual and Members Manual.

Frances . . .

On Sun, 01 May 2022 20:48:42 -0700, "Frances" <frances@...> wrote:

Member help says: Note: Even if your Groups.io account is bouncing, you can still log in to group websites and read and post messages there. Bouncing affects only email delivery; it does not affect your ability to use group websites.

Thanks. I've taken a mostly hands-off approach to things unless someone requests
help, figuring it's the member's responsibility to keep their email address
information current if they change addresses, or if they notice they stopped
getting messages.

So am I correct in understanding that once a member is bouncing, it won't fix
itself if it was a problem on the member's ISP end of things?

I just sent a bounce probe to the members in my largest group. I haven't gone in
there to see if the number on the bouncing list changed, but my guess is that it
hasn't.

Donald



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On Mon, May 2, 2022 at 10:23 AM, Cate Brams wrote:

Help! I renamed my group (changed the URL), and realized after the fact that this made all of my group's Wikis point to nowhere.
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Does anyone know how to access the old Wiki information? Is it gone forever??

Your wiki hasn't gone anywhere. You just can't access it via an outdated link.

Click on "Wiki" on the left-side menu bar. Scroll down to the bottom of the resulting page, and pull down the Pages menu. You should find all the pages still there.
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Your task now is to every hyperlink in your group so they correctly point to the new page URLs. Or, you could just rename the group back to what it was.

Regards,
Bruce

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