Thank you, David. I believe we know one another: your Yahoo group was
the one where you sent important news stories. I will ask how to make
it public or ask where are the instructions. Is there then an archive
at the public place? I hope instructions will say where and how. I
have saved countless postings by myself and others over the years on
my own computer.

It's good to meet again. This is cheering on what else would be a hard
Thanksgiving day for me. I'm a widow and since my husband's death (4
years ago) myself and one day spend the day together. We have a
chicken and go to a movie.

I keep in mind Mary Lady Montagu's cheering words over a dinner with a friend:

but when the long hours of Public are past
And we meet with Champaigne and a Chicken at last ....

Ellen

On 11/23/17, David P. Dillard <jwne@...> wrote:

Mark Fletcher, who created Onelist which was sold to Yahoo and became
Yahoo Groups, is the sole owner, as far as I know, of Groups.IO and he
created this service in September 2014. Google, as far as I know, has
nothing to do with Groups.IO. Most owners let their membership know about
the change and let them know why. Mark will transfer the content for you
from what I have been reading. Since you have much valuable information
in your archives, you may want to consider making your list public in
Groups.IO. I have had huge problems with Yahoo Groups over the years, but
I have had no real problems with Groups.IO since I started my first group
in Groups.IO in October 2014 and other groups later. Since you cannot
post to Yahoo Groups at this time, it would not hurt to keep an archive
there and make Groups.IO your active group. I hope that these ideas help.
Hopefully, you did not delete your posts from your groups in your Gmail
account so you have your content archived in your Gmail account sent mail.
I hope that these thoughts help you.






Sincerely,
David Dillard
Temple University
(215) 204 - 4584
jwne@...

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Mark Fletcher will work with you to transfer your archives, picture files and perhaps your link files. Sal and others and of course Mark himself can give you more information about what can be transfered and how it is done.


[email protected]

.

Sincerely,
David Dillard
Temple University
(215) 204 - 4584
jwne@...


On Thu, 23 Nov 2017, Ellen Moody wrote:

One worrying question. When I move (if I manage this) the yahoo group to io., all the stuff remains at yahoo
right? I end up with two groups. An original on Yahoo which is now defunct because Yahoo is not fixing it ,and
its continuation on io?
Ellen

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Mark Fletcher, who created Onelist which was sold to Yahoo and became Yahoo Groups, is the sole owner, as far as I know, of Groups.IO and he created this service in September 2014. Google, as far as I know, has nothing to do with Groups.IO. Most owners let their membership know about the change and let them know why. Mark will transfer the content for you from what I have been reading. Since you have much valuable information in your archives, you may want to consider making your list public in Groups.IO. I have had huge problems with Yahoo Groups over the years, but I have had no real problems with Groups.IO since I started my first group in Groups.IO in October 2014 and other groups later. Since you cannot post to Yahoo Groups at this time, it would not hurt to keep an archive there and make Groups.IO your active group. I hope that these ideas help.
Hopefully, you did not delete your posts from your groups in your Gmail account so you have your content archived in your Gmail account sent mail.
I hope that these thoughts help you.






Sincerely,
David Dillard
Temple University
(215) 204 - 4584
jwne@...


On Thu, 23 Nov 2017, Ellen Moody wrote:

It does seem as if the patient is dying limb by limb or group by group.? Each time I go over to a Yahoo group
of groups and another still open for moderators, or one moderators write on, I read of "another group down."
It's after midnight and too late to do anything now. I? did go look and am willing to try this even though I
can't tell the people at this list I'm doing this. As far as I can read, the groups.io allows me to transfer
the files, the pictures, and postings from Yahoo to this other place and it provides the same services.
There's a lot of stuff on Wwtta so I'm guessing that groups.io is big. Who is running it? someone has to
provide the space - and pay for it. Or it comes from google?
I am digitally challenged but can do things if given instructions. when I look at what is called the home page
I see no instructions
/
but I do find them here:
/static/yahootransfer
I am now taking the first step. Let's see if Wwtta takes the transfer groups URL.
Ellen

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Am 23.11.2017 um 15:22 schrieb michellefiore@...:

Dear IO and Dear Group Managers,
Serious question -- with the current system outage over at YahooGroups, I am seriously considering moving my Yahoo Groups here, as there have been positive reviews.
Several questions --
1.? Is it easy to transfer the groups?

very easy

see: /static/transfer

2.? What implications for the member?? Especially, will they have to create a new account here,

no

or if they to date have been only using the YahooGroup via their email to send and receive messages, will it be a seamless transfer with no verification step necessary?

there is one email with a link that they have to click on and one inital login - everything is done for them

transferred 3 large mailing lists

servus

markus

3.? If *everyone* having trouble at YahooGroups is getting the same advice, to transfer to Groups.io, how is capacity?? Are you going to be able to handle the deluge?
Many many thanks,
I may make the move in the next few hours...
Michelle
(moderator in Geneva, Switzerland)

--
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schluesselgasse 3/5 tel: +43 - (0)1 - 50 40 662
a-1040 wien email: baur@...
austria/europe icbm: 48°11'39"N; 16°22'06"E

a portrait:

"der Markus?? .... das ist der mit dem Buch..."

开云体育

1. yes

Are Files with a hashtag in the description indexed to be included in a hashtag search?? It appears they are not.? Should they be?
TIA
Toby

On Nov 23, 2017, at 1:41 AM, Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:

Though if Yahoo (Verizon/Oath, rather) does fix it you'll have two active groups. So at some point you may want to change some settings in your Yahoo Group to prevent new content postings from members. For mine I set the Yahoo groups on moderation so that I can "Reject with reply" any messages posted there, and remind them about the new group posting address.

You can also have an automatic message sent. It works very well.

The transfer will be seamless. But people do need to know or they will think the list is hijacked.

I announced on one list that I was moving the group and explained why. I had already started the process and all H broke loose. People regarded the list as “theirs” and I hadn’t asked for a group decision.

Sharon
----
Sharon Villines
Sociocracy: A Deeper Democracy

I would like a fully customizable invitation message. Suggesting things is great but a form letter is so formal and it is so detailed that it confuses people because it isn’t like the conversation the person and I have had leading up to it. It isn’t like the messages I write that encourage people to join. Suddenly they are in IRS land. Most people, frankly, are used to it but it would be nicer if the manager could write a message that fits the situation.

For an announcement list, I can see why it would be totally confusing, and would infer that people could respond when on announcement lists any response will get you unsubscribed.

Sharon
----
Sharon Villines
[email protected]

Dear IO and Dear Group Managers,

Serious question -- with the current system outage over at YahooGroups, I am seriously considering moving my Yahoo Groups here, as there have been positive reviews.

Several questions --?

1.? Is it easy to transfer the groups?

2.? What implications for the member?? Especially, will they have to create a new account here, or if they to date have been only using the YahooGroup via their email to send and receive messages, will it be a seamless transfer with no verification step necessary?

3.? If *everyone* having trouble at YahooGroups is getting the same advice, to transfer to Groups.io, how is capacity?? Are you going to be able to handle the deluge?

Many many thanks,
I may make the move in the next few hours...

Michelle
(moderator in Geneva, Switzerland)

On 23/11/2017, at 17:21 , Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:

Most of my group members are the same way, in my PTA group (which is an Announcement Group) and in my classmate groups (which are discussion groups). My classmates are all 60+, varying widely in experience with computers and email, and most have managed to stick with my Yahoo Groups until I transferred the groups here. Everyone seems to like the change, at least those few who've ventured onto group web site for a look-see. The PTA members are generally a lot younger, but they don't have to do anything but receive announcements and (hopefully) show up for events. So far no one has acted or commented on being confused by the links at the bottom of messages, or by anything else about Yahoo Groups.

My lot never used the Yahoo web site. Many of them do not seem to even understand the concept of an account. Each year, about 70% of them (about 140 people) have no idea what their account is on our club website to renew their membership. So they ring up the website admin to find out their username and password. Then they promptly forget it and do the same 12 months later. The effort that has to go into support is far too much for volunteers. The simpler we can make it the better.

It is subtle, and I think much easier for them and for you than you're anticipating, but they are given a Groups.io account and profile the moment they accept your invitation (even by email reply). And if they accept by web they're logged in to their account at that moment, and stay logged in for 30 days (or they log out, or they clear their browser's cookies).

For an announcement list, why would they want to go to the web site? If they are already on the list, they have received the message. The issue is with getting them on the list in a smooth and simple manner, and the website does not help with that.

But more importantly, if you're transferring these members from existing Yahoo Groups you don't need to invite them - and they don't have to accept anything. Instead they receive a Welcome message from Groups.io and are members of your group (with a Groups.io account) as part of the transfer process. The Welcome message does have an opt-out in it in case they don't want to be members.

Except that this is a high turnover club. Typically 30-40 new members each year. And of those 30-40 people, there are always a few who never manage to get onto the mailing list. The Yahoo messages are so obtuse it is not surprising. I was hoping groups.io would be better.

I found it helps to put a ruling line at the top and bottom of your customizable section. That helps guide the eye and clarify what's boilerplate and what's personal message.

That's a useful tip, but really it does not look good to be saying "Ignore anything after this".

Most of my classmate group members came over from my Yahoo Groups, so in a sense maybe they aren't "newbies" - they'd put up with Yahoo Groups footers and other distractions already.

In our case, Yahoo has been a challenge that has caused many hours of unnecessary effort. I thought groups.io might be better. It certainly is in some respects, but in others it is no different.

The question is whether to make the effort to move them or not. It needs to be significantly better to make it worthwhile.

David

yes - the yahoogroup remains unchanged

one thing i suggest (after having made the move for several groups) is to set all member on the yahoogroup to moderated after successful transfer and after having them notified them ..

whenever someone posted on yahoo by accident i released the message, after adding a little note "YOU ARE POSTING ON THE WRONG LIST, PLEASE CHANGE YOUR ADDRESSBOOK", and i took longer and longer times to moderate - this stopped the massive majority of mistaken addresses in a week or two ..

Servus

markus

?

Simple enough on the old group you can turn off the ability for persons to post messages, and one can change the groups page to inform users that the group has move and the appropriate links.

--
Cecil - k5nwa

chicopaddleheads,

Doesn't seem to be a removal function, and creating a first subgroup
appears to have altered the root address, apparently changing the
submission path. Advice?

You can delete the subgroup(s). There's a red Delete button at the bottom of the subgroup's Settings page.

However, the change to your group's web and email addresses is permanent; deleting all subgroups won't restore their original format. Your only option there would be to contact [email protected] and ask if the addresses can be reverted to the original form.

Shal

Ellen,

There's a lot of stuff on Wwtta so I'm guessing that groups.io is big.

Some pretty large groups have already moved over, so I wouldn't worry about that.

The message storage doesn't actually take much space, by today's storage standards, even for decades of active group participation. The limit you may run into is the 1 GB total storage limit for Files, Photos, and Attachments in a Basic (free) group. It is not that hard to have more than 1 GB of photos if you have a lot of them, or they're high resolution.

That happened with the move of one of my classmate groups - one Album had 400+ photos which were camera original size (10 and 10 megapixel). During the transfer Groups.io support (Mark) informed me of the problem and offered to downscale the photos to fit. At 2k x 2k they fit.

Who is running it? someone has to provide the space - and pay for it.
Or it comes from google?

Groups.io is an independent start-up company. Owned and run by Mark Fletcher. The About link at the bottom of each page contains a link to the history of Groups.io.

Groups.io runs on a "Freemium" business model. Which means that the free groups are being paid for by the Premium and Enterprise customers (I have one Premium group at the moment, so you're welcome). No ads. Mark buys compute and database storage from a web services company (a much bigger company than Groups.io) that specializes in hosting web sites. He also buys storage space for files and photos from Amazon Web Services - yes, that Amazon, and you have some idea how big they are.

So as to the size of Groups.io, it can grow dynamically. His service providers handle all the hard work of keeping the servers running, and they bill him by how much he uses.

I am now taking the first step. Let's see if Wwtta takes the transfer
groups URL.

You mean email address, right? Hopefully Yahoo will send out the invite, otherwise contact [email protected] and see if they can use a -subscribe command or home page join button instead. But if even those aren't being processed there may be a problem.

Shal

Ellen,

When I move (if I manage this) the yahoo group to io., all the stuff
remains at yahoo right?

Correct. No changes are made to your Yahoo Group.

I end up with two groups. An original on Yahoo which is now defunct
because Yahoo is not fixing it, and its continuation on io?

Correct again.

Though if Yahoo (Verizon/Oath, rather) does fix it you'll have two active groups. So at some point you may want to change some settings in your Yahoo Group to prevent new content postings from members. For mine I set the Yahoo groups on moderation so that I can "Reject with reply" any messages posted there, and remind them about the new group posting address.

Shal

David,

They are also only ever going to access the list via e-mail - they
will never go to the groups.io site, and they will never sign up as
groups.io members.

Most of my group members are the same way, in my PTA group (which is an Announcement Group) and in my classmate groups (which are discussion groups). My classmates are all 60+, varying widely in experience with computers and email, and most have managed to stick with my Yahoo Groups until I transferred the groups here. Everyone seems to like the change, at least those few who've ventured onto group web site for a look-see. The PTA members are generally a lot younger, but they don't have to do anything but receive announcements and (hopefully) show up for events. So far no one has acted or commented on being confused by the links at the bottom of messages, or by anything else about Yahoo Groups.

It is subtle, and I think much easier for them and for you than you're anticipating, but they are given a Groups.io account and profile the moment they accept your invitation (even by email reply). And if they accept by web they're logged in to their account at that moment, and stay logged in for 30 days (or they log out, or they clear their browser's cookies).

But more importantly, if you're transferring these members from existing Yahoo Groups you don't need to invite them - and they don't have to accept anything. Instead they receive a Welcome message from Groups.io and are members of your group (with a Groups.io account) as part of the transfer process. The Welcome message does have an opt-out in it in case they don't want to be members.

This is it. There is a second page if you open the PDF.

Thanks! Ok, so it is mostly a clone of their Subscription page, which they'd find if they clicked that link (in the left column of your group's pages).

Then you get the actual invitation message, which I thought was
customisable. Well, no. You can add a message in the middle of it (the
red bit), but you are still stuck with a lot of confusing stuff.

I found it helps to put a ruling line at the top and bottom of your customizable section. That helps guide the eye and clarify what's boilerplate and what's personal message.

But again, this applies to later newcomers, not to the members who transfer over.

You have been invited by xxxxxxxxxxx@... to join the Groups.io

That's odd. In the invitations I've sent to my groups my Display Name (which is my real name) appears in both places, not my email address. If you haven't you probably want to set a Display Name for yourself, maybe even the club name instead of your real name.

group [email protected].

Ah, I see you've got subgroups. My PTA group does, my classmate groups don't. Still, for the PTA group Members@[PTA name].groups.io seems to be clear enough.

1. They want to be invited by the club, not an e-mail address.
3. The e-mail address is displayed twice at the top - just
unnecessary.

See above about your display name.

4. If they have questions, I would rather say to contact me at an
e-mail address they already know, rather than some strangely formatted
address they do not recognise.
6. I would rather the signature be the club name than groups.io, for
similar reasons to above.

I wrote my custom section as a full message of its own, including a signature block at the bottom with my full name and email address. The paragraph just above that invites them to write to me if they have any questions.

It seems to me that groups.io is oriented towards sophisticated users
who know the difference between e-mail and forums. In this respect it
is very powerful. But loading newbies with all this is going to cause
*me* trouble.

Possibly, though that hasn't been my experience.

Most of my classmate group members came over from my Yahoo Groups, so in a sense maybe they aren't "newbies" - they'd put up with Yahoo Groups footers and other distractions already.

My PTA group members are mostly newbies - but I used Direct Add (a Premium group feature) to bring almost all of them into the PTA group. Fortunately the PTA group gains the vast majority of its new members during each school year's registration - so I've only had to pay for Premium one or two months each year.

Shal

Doesn't seem to be a removal function, and creating a first subgroup appears to have altered the root address, apparently changing the submission path. Advice?