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Hi all,

This week there isn't an official changelog, as Mark is on vacation. But some noteworthy changes have been mentioned in beta before he left.


Feel free to reply to this topic if you'd like to comment on the
changes. Or better yet, if you expect a lot of discussion start a new
topic (or rejoin an existing one) about a specific change.


o NEW: If you have subgroups, you can now put them into categories.
o

Not to be snarky, but we still don't have tags for groups in the site directory. I prefer that group owners be able to add one or more tags to their group description, and that the directory have a means to filter by these tags. Others disagree, preferring categories, but then that devolves into arguments about who designs the categories, and how many levels deep.


o CHANGE: New bulk topic action buttons now in color, have more contrast
o between enabled and disabled states.
o

Apparently still not ready for prime time.

Group moderators can test it by appending -test to the URL in the address bar while looking at the Topics list. As in:
/g/GroupManagersForum/topics-test
(but use your own group name instead)

If you feel like testing the bulk features, please report issues or suggestions here:



Comments about these others are also welcome:

o BUGFIX: New Google Maps table view ran into a query limit.
o
o BUGFIX: New bulk topic actions broke the normal merge topic function.
o
o BUGFIX: New bulk topic actions had alignment issues with the buttons.
o
o UPDATE: Road Runner and Time Warner delays fixed
o /g/GroupManagersForum/message/10391
o (reported through support, rather than beta)


Please call out any you find significant.

Shal


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On 20/07/18 07:05 PM, Bill Burns wrote:

On 7/20/2018 2:25 PM, toki wrote:

Pop quiz: Name the cities and towns in North America, in which the GDPR
unambiguously applies.

Saint Pierre and Miquelon?

And we have a winner.

Technically, that is the name of the French Department, not the cities
and towns within it.

jonathon

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Thank you for all your responses and time! I think they've been persuaded that having to force everyone to re-apply wouldn't work in practice the UK national charity that the group is part of think they should control all email adresses but haven't produced a means for group email contact with this.?

Chtis

On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 09:55 PM, Lisa Ruby wrote:

Right now there is really no way to know anything at all about who is trying to join your group when they request to join. Not much protection for the moderator required approval.

Yes there is, but you criticised it earlier in the paragraph; it's the "two step approval process" provided using the Pending Subscription message. Once set up it involves no more work for the Owner / Moderator than reading the response, and they would have to do that anyway even if it was just a one - step process.

If it filters out the "only vaguely interested" applicants (and the spammers, come to think about it) then I cannot see anything wrong with it. If Owners and Moderators don't want to do the work involved then they really ought not be Owners and Moderators in the first place.

Chris

It really would be nice if when someone requests to join a group that requires moderator approval for joins, there was a space for the requester to provide a little bit of information about who they are, and the ability to require that they supply information. We shouldn't have to go through a two step approval process for this. Yahoo has had this forever. It's more than a useful feature, it really is needed. Right now there is really no way to know anything at all about who is trying to join your group when they request to join. Not much protection for the moderator required approval.

Lisa

On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 08:49 PM, Shal Farley wrote:

However, having a web form that the person can fill out when he/she requests membership is an often-requested feature, and one that Mark has wanted to do for a couple years now

This raises a potentially ugly point. As things stand Groups.io does not collect "personal information", which goes a long way to satisfying the requirements of the GDPR (see numerous other threads on this forum and beta!) However if Groups.io were to provide the means whereby it enabled group Owners (and presumeably Moderators as well) to collect personal information (such as might be the case of the OP for this thread) then would Groups.io have any liability for the consequences if that personal information was in any way misused? Corporately Groups.io might not collect and store the information but it would have created the means whereby group Owners did, with that storage being somewhere on, er, Groups.io. Within the caveat of "I am not a lawyer" would this make Groups.io vicariously liable for preventing the improper use of that information?

The group I moderate uses the Pending Subscription message to request details about "why do you want to join", but it does not request personal information which is then stored; once read the incoming responses are deleted as being of no further use.

I can see why some groups need to receive and store personal information; names, address, vetinary licence details and so on and so forth, but at the same time I can see problems with its implementation; The information would not be under the day to day control of Groups io, and yet at the same time it (Groups.io that is) might find itself having to be legally responsible if it provided the means of capturing and storing that information in the first place.

And no, I don't have a solution.

Chris

On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 04:17 PM, Bob Bellizzi wrote:

Everyone will want unique information and there's no way Mark can build a form that would satisfy everyone.

Like you, my organization has a separate, public web site with forms that can be referenced via hyperlinks. But for those who do not, I still think it would be more straightforward -- and certainly more versatile -- to allow attachments to the Pending Subscription message.

See?

Bruce
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Bob,

Everyone will want unique information and there's no way Mark can
build a form that would satisfy everyone.

He doesn't plan to.

His idea was to leverage the existing Database feature so that the group owners can design their own form. What the applicant sees is essentially a standard Add Row dialog, but probably with some different boilerplate around it.

If you haven't used Groups.io's Database feature you may not realize that the columns (fields) are very flexible, with a variety of different types of data representations available to choose from.
/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Databases

Shal


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Shal,
The potential problem with a form is that like the elephant in his garden the blind man and blind wife found, they could not agree on what was what.
Everyone will want unique information and there's no way Mark can build a form that would satisfy everyone.
If we didn't have a website I would? be searching for a simple forms builder that I could use for each of our groups.io groups.
Now I just clone one of my current forms and modify it.

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Jean,

Is there a way for new applicants to my group to provide some
information about themselves upon applying?

There is the Pending Subscription Member notice, as Chris J and Chris V suggested. See also the help page:
/static/help#membernotices

However, having a web form that the person can fill out when he/she requests membership is an often-requested feature, and one that Mark has wanted to do for a couple years now:


That topic is locked now, but you could bring it up again in Beta, citing the earlier topic, to see if you can revive interest.

Shal


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On 7/20/2018 2:25 PM, toki wrote:

Pop quiz: Name the cities and towns in North America, in which the GDPR
unambiguously applies.

Saint Pierre and Miquelon?

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On 20/07/18 04:42 AM, Jim Higgins wrote:

Amen... and... isn't Groups.io located entirely within the USA?

Whilst the servers, and the Sysadmin are located within the US, the
Domain Name Register ostensibly falls under British law, making the
domain automatically subject to British, and EU law.

does the EU and its GDPR really create any obligation whatsoever on the part of Groups.io?

Depending upon which official version of the GDPR one reads, it applies
either to residents or Europe, citizens of the European Union, or both
groups. On second thoughts, I think all of the official versions have
harmonized on residents of Europe. Some countries wrote their version to
include both residents, and citizens of the country.

Technically, the GDPR only applies to physical residents, but material
on one of the Estonian bureaucracies was ambiguous about the status of
the Digital Residents & the GDPR. The Estonian Privacy Commission
responded to my email, stating that Digital Residents are not explicitly
covered, but if they are residents of the EU, they would be covered
under local laws, whether Estonia, or another country.

Pop quiz: Name the cities and towns in North America, in which the GDPR
unambiguously applies.

jonathon

Hmm, it seems that the Paragraph data type should retain line breaks.? But it only controls whether the text field is entered with a single-line or multi-line text box.
When rendered on a web page, the data is simply wrapped in <td> (table data) tags and <newlines> are ignored.
What's needed to have a paragraph data type column rendered properly with line breaks would be for <newlines> in the data field to be converted to <br> tags when passed to the html output so that it is rendered as multiple lines of text.
[no, you can't enter <br> as they are escaped when the text is generated]
I'll post to the Beta forum.
Thanks
Toby

I would set up a Member Notice on Pending Subscription that asks them for the details you require
Admin > Settings > Member Notices

On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 04:31 PM, Jean Coffinberry wrote:

Is there a way for new applicants to my group to provide some information about themselves upon applying?

Can we take it that applicants require moderator approval before actually becoming members?

If so then have you tried using a Pending Membership message that is sent out automatically when the initial request to join arrives.

As to losing "a bunch of applicants", that seems to be quite common on the group I moderate; the request to join turns up, the Pending Subscription message is sent out immediately and then... nothing. Those who are interested seem to respond within minutes.

A Pending Subscription message can be set up under Settings > Member Notices. It's a good place to ask "tell us why you want to join, along with providing your licence details".

Chris

Me too.!!.? I too have asked for this.? When one does a direct add and includes one or more subgroups, At a minimum there should be an option to skip sending an email for the Main group.? However, while you're at it, there should be a check box next to each subgroup to skip the message for that subgroup as well.? Maybe for each subgroup listed have two check boxes? "Add to Subghroup with msg" and "Add to Subgroup without msg"

Thanks --Dan

Thank you in advance for any help.

Is there a way for new applicants to my group to provide some information about themselves upon applying?

For example, my group is all veterinary licensed and we require license details to join the group.
As it stands - potential members apply and then I have to email them requesting these details. I lose a bunch of applicants - as they simply don't respond.
I'd like to be able to have them submit these details upon applying - as they are obviously engaged at that point.

Any insight, tips etc. is appreciated..

We are going to direct add members to a group, including membership in 2 subgroups. ?As far as I can figure out, that will generate 3 email (main, subgroup1, and subgroup2) all at the same time. ?Is there a way to eliminate the messages from the subgroups so they only get 1 email?

Peace,
Tom

I had a similar issue a couple of weeks ago, I resent the invitation a couple of days later and it went thru.? I chalked it up to Yahoo issues.? Which is why we moved all or our groups over.