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Re: Moving Files from iO Database to iO Files area

 

Hi

we had a links library in YahooGroups. We now have a wiki in Groups.io.?

Works for us. Just another way to do it after you save your list of URLs.?

Frances
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Re: Moving Files from iO Database to iO Files area

 

On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 07:27 AM, Tony King wrote:
In the transfer from Yahoo some of my group's files appeared in the Database folder. I have no databases, but a list of 33 links is in this folder I wish to appear in the files folder. How do I move the link to Files please ?
Tony -- In groups.io, what you previously had set up in Yahoo as "Links" is just another type of database. Subscribers should be able to open that database table and click on the hyperlinks therein, just as they did in Yahoo.

You can export these links as CSV using the Export Table function. After importing that CSV file into Excel or a Word table, you can then upload it to Files. But if you want the links to be directly clickable, I suggest you leave it as a database.

Hope this helps,
Bruce
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Re: Deleting photo storage

 

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This is so totally random¡­ ?most times the image shoeing to b deleted is 2 further along

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After reading Shal¡¯s reply below, I did some more testing so I could give new details.

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Most times the image showing ?to be deleted is the next one along past the one I actually clicked on, but in my tests tonight, occasionally it opened the correct one, but on a couple of occasions, it open images which were 4 along !!

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If I open the photo to be deleted, after confirming the deletion, I am taken back to where all the photos are, but in the position of the deleted one there is a plain grey square, frequently showing (but not always) a lot of numbers at the bottom of the square.

When I open the next one and delete it, I am taken back? to that same page, and the grey square that was there has now disappeared, but the most recent deleted shows as a new grey square.

If I refresh the page after returning, the grey square disappears.

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If I right click and open in a new tab, it is the same conditions as the original tab¡­ delete and opened back at the photos on the new tab, grey square where deleted¡­ and of course if I then close that new tab, and am on the original page the deletion that I just did does not show as being deleted, the image itself is still there on the original page until I refresh the page, then it disappears, and no grey square appears, it is totally gone.

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I thought it may be a problem with the browser (Firefox) so I tried the process in Chrome and it has exactly the same problem. I was going to empty the cache but I don¡¯t want to have my passwords deleted (that would happen, wouldn¡¯t it?).

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It is all so frustrating¡­ especially when most people hit Reply and don¡¯t delete the image, so I may have the same image to delete 10 times and each time I want to delete, I have to make sure that it isn¡¯t the original image opened by mistake.

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I hope that this can be fixed.

Win

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Shal Farley
Sent: Tuesday, 28 May 2019 4:48 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [GMF] Deleting photo storage

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Bruce,

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> The link and the thumbnail no longer match up, and the reason is? > browser caching. ...

> Forcing a browser refresh from the server side would also work, ...

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And something like that happened, the first time I tried to test the symptom. After confirming the delete I was taken back to the album page, and the URLs were updated to account for the deletion. I had made note of the URL of a particular photo beforehand so that I could see the change.

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But on my second attempt to observe this I opened a photo to be deleted in a new tab. On this trial when that tab was returned to the album page the URLs had not been updated. Nor had they been in the original tab, still showing the album. I had expected the one in the new tab to have been updated, just like the first test, but that didn't happen.

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> Arguing over which is wrong (the thumbnail or the link) is just? > semantics.

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If it looks like a bug, swims like a bug, and quacks like a bug then it probably is a bug. (My apologies to ducks everywhere).

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Specifically, I don't think the system is operating as intended in that case. It is certainly a violation of the principle of least astonishment.

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> but other requests here in GMF have asked for static [or should I say,? > "more-static"] photo album URLs for entirely different reasons.

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True. Here's an even stronger reason - it causes a malfunction by the site.

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And no, I don't classify this as just "a browser cache issue" - in my second test the site loaded a page (the album) which had incorrect links in it. Whether or not the browser is complicit in that error does not IMO make it any less a bug in terms of user experience.

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In a worst-case scenario a less attentive moderator than Win might go on to delete the wrong photo, possibly a prized one.

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Shal

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Re: Calendar reminders not workin properly #cal-reminder

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Bruce,

Good to hear it's not just me. Thanks
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Re: Moving Files from iO Database to iO Files area

Gerald Boutin
 

On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 08:27 AM, Tony King wrote:
In the transfer from Yahoo some of my group's files appeared in the Database folder. I have no databases, but a list of 33 links is in this folder I wish to appear in the files folder. How do I move the link to Files please ? Tony K NZ

?Download from Database and upload into files. Then delete the original after you've verified that the upload worked correctly.

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Upgrading plans?

 

Is there a direct way to upgrade from premium monthly to premium yearly? I am in the process of transferring from Yahoo Groups and signed up monthly, then realized I should have chosen yearly. Am afraid to try to start the transfer process with incorrect subscription. I've sent an email to support, but was wondering if I'm missing some easier way? Thanks!

DC
Moving Files from iO Database to iO Files area

 

In the transfer from Yahoo some of my group's files appeared in the Database folder. I have no databases, but a list of 33 links is in this folder I wish to appear in the files folder. How do I move the link to Files please ? Tony K NZ
Re: how to undo accidental merge

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Marina,
Unfortunately, the process is a bit tortuous.
Oh, it's not that hard. You are finding it to be probably because this is your first time doing it.

The easiest thing, I guess, is to delete the wrongly merged message and ask the sender to send it again.
Definitely, no. The easiest thing is to work with what you already have at hand :)

So, in hopes you still want to try it, I'll try and explain what I do in such case.

  1. I find the topic where the message I want to "split" is.
  2. Then, I find the message I want inside that topic.
  3. I open the message
  4. Then I choose "split".
  5. I give the message a new subject because this is like creating a new topic.
  6. Finally, with the "new topic" created, I pick this "new topic" and choose "merge into".
  7. Choosing "merge into", it's just a matter of finding where the splited message belongs and merging it into there.

Hth
Cheers,
AKA Starboy

Sent from a galaxy far, far away.
Re: subscribers on other lists are being moved to sub-groups under my group.

 

ken,

I am getting complaints from subscribers that their messages from
other groups are being sent as from a sub-group under my group.
I think someone's confused. Maybe it is me.

Or maybe they don't understand the subdomain addressing format used by subgroups. Or maybe your group and that other group have very similar names?

If you can get them to forward an example to you that may clarify what's going on.

Do I have to delete members getting all their groups.io messages (from
unrelated lists) as from a sub-group from my list, in order to break
the linkage?
Um, what? If your group has no subgroups then I've no idea what you mean "as from a sub-group of my list".

No, no one should be deleting any members. If there's an actual problem we should try to figure it out before deciding on a course of action.

Shal


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Re: Where is default signature for group emails?

 

councilconsultingdba,

Not my personal signature which is blank... this one shows up below
the reply options.
Sounds like the groups's Message Footer option, found in the Message Formatting section of the Settings page.

Shal


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subscribers on other lists are being moved to sub-groups under my group.

 

I am owner of a list that has no sub-groups.
I am getting complaints from subscribers that their messages from other groups
are being sent as from a sub-group under my group.
Subscribers cannot create sub groups on my list.

Do I have to delete members getting all their groups.io messages (from unrelated lists)
as from a sub-group from my list, in order to break the linkage?
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Re: Diff between [email protected] vs [email protected]

 

Jenny,

However, I see that [email protected] (the subgroup address) is
the real email for the group.
That's only true because your group has subgroups in addition to the primary (main).

By the way, you can change "main" to be something more appropriate to your primary group. For example, in my PTA group I made the primary group's name be "members" because it is open to all unit members. As distinct from "board", the subgroup open only to the unit's board members.

Is there any other downside to using the parent address?
I think that possible confusion is the only downside. If your group has its Reply To control set to "Group" then in every message the (main) members receive the group's subgroup-format address will be the reply address. And that's what will be on the (main) group's home page. So eventually everyone will likely end up using the subgroup-format address anyway.

Shal


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Where is default signature for group emails?

 

Sorry to ask such a basic question:, I added a signature for group emails, now I cant find where - tearing my hair out :)?
Not my personal signature which is blank... this one shows up below the reply options.?
Diff between [email protected] vs [email protected]

 

My group operates entirely on email right now.? So deciding which email to advertise for the group;??there is only ever going to be one group here (except for my test list -?TEST@MYGROUP)
So ideally I want people to post to [email protected]?(parent address) because it is shorter and simpler.??

However, I see that [email protected]?(the subgroup address) is the real email for the group.??
Sending to either works fine.? ?If i send to the parent address, recipients see MAIN@ in the cc

Is there any other downside to using the parent address?

Thanks
Jenny
Re: Override default "Direct Add" notice

 

I added a section with some formatting as you recommended in the Default message,?
AND?discovered; if you add a notice of type Welcome, then they get both;
- first the friendly custom welcome notice with my friendly subject line (eg We've updated the XYZ list!),
- then they get boilerplate Direct Add message (with subject 'you have been added...') - so it makes sense, even if they only read the subject lines.?

So that's good enough for now.

Thanks again.
Jenny?
Re: Override default "Direct Add" notice

 

Good suggestion, thanks all.
Re: Deleting photo storage

 

Bruce,

The link and the thumbnail no longer match up, and the reason is
browser caching. ...
Forcing a browser refresh from the server side would also work, ...
And something like that happened, the first time I tried to test the symptom. After confirming the delete I was taken back to the album page, and the URLs were updated to account for the deletion. I had made note of the URL of a particular photo beforehand so that I could see the change.

But on my second attempt to observe this I opened a photo to be deleted in a new tab. On this trial when that tab was returned to the album page the URLs had not been updated. Nor had they been in the original tab, still showing the album. I had expected the one in the new tab to have been updated, just like the first test, but that didn't happen.

Arguing over which is wrong (the thumbnail or the link) is just
semantics.
If it looks like a bug, swims like a bug, and quacks like a bug then it probably is a bug. (My apologies to ducks everywhere).

Specifically, I don't think the system is operating as intended in that case. It is certainly a violation of the principle of least astonishment.

but other requests here in GMF have asked for static [or should I say,
"more-static"] photo album URLs for entirely different reasons.
True. Here's an even stronger reason - it causes a malfunction by the site.

And no, I don't classify this as just "a browser cache issue" - in my second test the site loaded a page (the album) which had incorrect links in it. Whether or not the browser is complicit in that error does not IMO make it any less a bug in terms of user experience.

In a worst-case scenario a less attentive moderator than Win might go on to delete the wrong photo, possibly a prized one.

Shal



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Re: Deleting photo storage

 

On Mon, May 27, 2019 at 01:56 PM, Shal Farley wrote:
The symptom reported in GMF is that after a deletion, clicking on a thumbnail in the album brings up the wrong photo (specifically the next photo in the album).
The link and the thumbnail no longer match up, and the reason is browser caching. Arguing over which is wrong (the thumbnail or the link) is just semantics.

It results from the photo URLs being just an index into the album. It could be cured by having the URLs based on something that isn't affected by deletions.
True. Forcing a browser refresh from the server side would also work, but other requests here in GMF have asked for static [or should I say, "more-static"] photo album URLs for entirely different reasons. If such a request were made I would give it a bump. How practical it would be to implement is Mark's problem.

Regards,
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Re: Override default "Direct Add" notice

 

councilconsultingdba,

Thanks... however that's very disappointing.- I really don't want so
much information off the bat, and have it sound so automated and
impersonal.
You can use formatting in your inclusion to help guide the member's eye to your message and away from the boilerplate. See this example for an Invitation, you should be able to do something similar:
/g/GroupManagersForum/message/16053

Can we request this change for a future update?
As Bruce mentioned, beta is the official suggestion box for Groups.io (no one from Groups.io reads GMF). The prior topic Bruce cited is locked though, so you'd need to make your own new topic and optionally cite the (very) old one.

Shal


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Re: Deleting photo storage

 

Bruce,

This is not actually a bug in groups.io, but occurs because your
browser has cached the previous album view.
I'd say this is a bug that can and should be fixed. So I'm CCing this to support.

The symptom reported in GMF is that after a deletion, clicking on a thumbnail in the album brings up the wrong photo (specifically the next photo in the album). It results from the photo URLs being just an index into the album. It could be cured by having the URLs based on something that isn't affected by deletions.

This could be like the IDs of a database (unique per table). Or Message numbers (unique per group). Or Topic numbers (unique site-wide). Whatever the case, an invariant URL for each photo could also be presented as a permalink to the photo.

FWIW I don't consistently reproduce the symptom in Firefox: at least once (the first time) when I was returned to the album page after confirming the delete the URLs were already updated. Not so on a subsequent test, maybe because that time I used Ctrl+Shift+Tab to open the photo to be deleted in a separate tab.

Shal


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