On 6/27/2018 1:52 PM, Southenders Admin wrote:

Hi all. It's time for annual elections for my group, and I'm wondering the best way to transfer group ownership to a member. Right now, I have two memberships to my group--one as a regular member, and another as Communications Director. That way I get to see messages and the website as they are sent to the group the way regular members have to deal with the site, and also an owner (using a different email address). I'm wondering if there is anyone else using this formula, and what others might recommend to pass the reins on a group.

I use two addresses in the groups I own, for the same reason as you. I also have another member set to Owner status, after seeing the problems at Yahoo when a group's sole Owner/Moderator disappeared.

I'd suggest that the incoming owner should use a second email to join the list, and you can them promote that one to Owner. And I think you should also keep your Owner membership as a backup; you can easily turn off all group management notifications in the settings for this address and keep it just for emergencies.

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A long-term member has had messages bounced regularly since June 20 (12 just today). She called her service provider and they said it wasn't from their end. I see all of the bounces in her email history, but she is not in the "Bouncing Members" listing. Some,? but very few, of the bounces appear in the Activity log. She is getting frustrated, and I don't know what to tell her to do - or what I can do to fix it.

Can someone provide some guidance, please.

Thanks,

Ro

Hi all. It's time for annual elections for my group, and I'm wondering the best way to transfer group ownership to a member. Right now, I have two memberships to my group--one as a regular member, and another as Communications Director. That way I get to see messages and the website as they are sent to the group the way regular members have to deal with the site, and also an owner (using a different email address). I'm wondering if there is anyone else using this formula, and what others might recommend to pass the reins on a group.

Thanks!
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Bob,

Blue = Owner, Green = Moderator.

[It was blue.]

Interesting. I guess I should have asked this the first time, but is the Role control missing from just the transfer agent's page, or from all members' pages?




(I don't have a group with the transfer agent as a current member, so just imagine that the Email field says [email protected] and that the Display Name and Alias say whatever they should for that account).

I can't think of any reason it should be missing from a particular member, but I also can't think of why it would be missing at all for someone signed in as owner.

Shal


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I followed these steps as recommended:
Click the Membership menu (just to the left of Management in the top bar). What color crown is showing to the left of your email address?

Blue = Owner, Green = Moderator.
[It was blue.]

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If no joy with that, use the Management menu to bring up the Manage Members page, and then the Moderators tab. Find the row(s) for yourself which have a blue crown. Make note of the Yahoo Profile on that row(s).

Then sign out of Yahoo, and sign back in using that Yahoo Profile in the field for your ID (even though it says it wants an email address, the sign-in will still take Yahoo Profile IDs). Do NOT put an email address in the sign-in form, unless it happens to be an @yahoo.com address with the same user name as your Yahoo Profile ID.

[I did this.]　

See if either of these approaches get you to having a Role drop-down.
[Still no drop down menu.]

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That is a great idea.? I'll be waiting too.
Wanda

If, as seems to be, 'Member' and 'Subscriber' are synonymous, then perhaps we should be asking Mark to standardise his terminology; or, if not, for him to state what (he? considers) the difference is.

Jeremy

After a quick test, I'd say it's a moderator function.? I haven't tested to see what, if any, permissions are needed.

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Bob,

I should have added that I am the Owner of the group.

Then it would seem that you're signed in with the wrong account, or using the wrong email address.

Click the Membership menu (just to the left of Management in the top bar). What color crown is showing to the left of your email address? Blue = Owner, Green = Moderator.

If your email address there has a droplist arrow to the right of it click that, and see if you can select an alternate address that has a blue crown.

If no joy with that, use the Management menu to bring up the Manage Members page, and then the Moderators tab. Find the row(s) for yourself which have a blue crown. Make note of the Yahoo Profile on that row(s). Then sign out of Yahoo, and sign back in using that Yahoo Profile in the field for your ID (even though it says it wants an email address, the sign-in will still take Yahoo Profile IDs). Do NOT put an email address in the sign-in form, unless it happens to be an @yahoo.com address with the same user name as your Yahoo Profile ID.

See if either of these approaches get you to having a Role drop-down.

Shal


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I should have added that I am the Owner of the group.
Bob Chaparro

Bob,

I cannot seem to find a way to make [email protected] a moderator of
my Yahoo group.

The Yahoo page on which this is to be accomplished lacks a drop-down
menu with a heading "Role". That menu is required to make someone a
Moderator.

It sounds like you are a moderator of the Y!Group but lack the privilege to "Add, remove, and change moderator privileges". Without that you're stuck.

Another symptom would be in the Moderators tab of the group's Manage Members list - if clicking on the rows (outside the checkbox column) does nothing instead of opening the moderator's Edit Member page that too indicates a lack of that privilege.

Until I can do this I cannot transfer the Yahoo group to Groups.io.
Any suggestions?

Correct. You need to find a group owner, or a mod with that privilege, to give you that privilege.

If there's no one active in the group to do that then I think the best you can do is create the new group on Groups.io and invite over any members for which you have email addresses. That might only be those whose postings you've kept in your email folders.

This is basically the same situation Dale is in, you might want to read his threads:
/g/GroupManagersForum/topic/22140744
/g/GroupManagersForum/topic/22653627

Shal


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Hello -

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I cannot seem to find a way to make [email protected] a moderator of my Yahoo group.

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The Yahoo page on which this is to be accomplished lacks a drop-down menu with a heading "Role". That menu is required to make someone a Moderator.

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Until I can do this I cannot transfer the Yahoo group to Groups.io.

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Any suggestions?

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Thank you.

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Bob Chaparro
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Railway Bull Shippers Group

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Mary,

I have a member of my group that keeps getting bounced, though she and
I are unsure why.

If you mean that her address is repeatedly set to Bouncing or Bounced status (a blue or red B on her row of the Members list) then click on her row, and then the Email Delivery History button (tab). The information there should tell you why there is a difficulty delivering messages to her address.

She can see the same information by opening the Recent Bounces page from her Account.

Can I override the bounce?

No.

I do the probe, she does her part and then her next email sets her as
bouncing....

"Her next email?" - you mean the next message posted to the group (and hence sent to her address (along with all other members). Or do you mean something else?

Being reset to bouncing status on each message implies that her email service is rejecting nearly every delivery attempt. This could signify some kind of anti-spam feature which she'll have to tame from her end.

Interesting that the bounce probes are getting through to her though. That may mean that she's white-listed the address that sends the probe message. But that's not good enough: she'd have to do the same for the address of every posting member. Or find some way to allow all messages sent through your group.

If you mean that she only gets set to Bouncing after she herself posts to the group then that implies that her email service does not accept messages that arrive from elsewhere (the group) that claim to be from her address. She may need assistance from her email provider to learn how to allow her list postings to return to her.

Shal


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I have a member of my group that keeps getting bounced, though she and I are unsure why.? Can I override the bounce?? I do the probe, she does her part and then her next email sets her as bouncing....
Thanks

On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 06:47 pm, Leslie Noelani wrote:

one of the options on the drop-down menu was "unmoderate topic."

It looks like you may have accidentally moderated that topic.? Also, double check Settings > Message Policies to make sure you haven't checked the box for "Automatically Moderate Topics Older Than x days" (where x is a number).? That would cause a Topic to automatically become moderated after that number of days.

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This happened to me on a list where I am an owner when I inadvertently sent a post from an email address other than the one on which I receive mail from the list.?? It asked me to approve my own post.? Putting it in as an alias solved the problem for me.

Dale Smith

Wow! I clicked the arrow on the Groups.IO website for a Topic, and, sure enough, one of the options on the drop-down menu was "unmoderate topic." Who knew? LOL!

We have no non-subscribers posting, and no sub-groups.

So that leaves hashtags and some topics that might require moderation. What would make that happen? Is it something I did, a setting I inadvertently clicked? Where would I even check for that?

Also, you wrote,

There are a few things that might cause posting to be moderated.

I've checked our group settings, and nothing has been changed. Our
"Groups Settings" says, "Posts to this group do not require approval
from the moderators."

That's the first thing.

That could be causing this issue? Is there something about the "Posts to this group do not require approval from the moderators" that causes posts to be moderated?

Leslie

Dennis,

1. If I find a different G.io group, let's say by search, click on the
group (Digitrax-Users or IBM, for example), I can't do anything except
to request access (or join) the group. I don't see any "public" areas.

As Duane said, that's up to the group to configure in the Setting page.

Check GMF when not logged in. In addition to our Home page, our Guidelines, Messages, Calendar, and Wiki are open to the public. Of these, the Messages are special: once configured as private they cannot be reconfigured as public.

2. If "members require approval before being allowed to join", then
there are no "Public" areas to view.

That's not actually related to the public visibility of anything.

That only controls whether a person (email address) must be approved by the moderators when joining. If so their subscription (aka membership) is held in the Pending Members list (and they receive no messages, can see only public areas) until a moderator approves them.

3. And, Message Policies: to "allow non-subscribers to post" which
appears to require a moderator, and see if that works for us. Of
course, this creates more work for moderators, but that might give us
the access level we need.

Used in conjunction with having the group's Messages be public this could give you a type of open forum. But this doesn't provide an ability for anyone to receive group messages by email without actually joining (subscribing to) the group. Which may or may not require approval, as in (2) above.

GMF's messages are public, but we don't allow non-subscribers to post. That's mostly a defense against spammers, but looking at our activity log only a couple dozen non-subscriber messages have been bounced in June so far, so it doesn't look like it would have been overwhelming if we'd allowed it. Just enough to be a nuisance. And since membership is not restricted I see no harm in making people join to post.

I do have some other groups that allow public posting. They are not as well publicized, and have fewer members, than GMF and get very few spam posts in pending. Those groups have restricted membership; my theory for them is that I want the few people who qualify for membership to get a polite note from me (by way of the Pending message list) rather than a rude non-subscriber bounce from Groups.io's inbound mail server. I've reconnected with a few long-lost classmates by running those groups that way. I'll never know, but I might have missed them if they'd been bounced at first contact.

Shal


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