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Re: New Topic sent message archive?
Thanks for the work-around suggestions.
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I do understand the work-around of the extra step(s) of making a copy of my post, saving a d filing it, hoping I could find it again should I wish to make the same or similar point later. It just seems like such an obviously desirable function that appeared to be missing from ¡°New Topic¡± that Groups.io might very well have (as an improvement to YahooGroups, etc), but I didn¡¯t know how find. So I was asking before I might suggest it, only to find out it already existed... On Jun 25, 2018, at 4:19 PM, Michael Pavan <michaelpavan@...> wrote:On Jun 25, 2018, at 4:09 PM, Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:Thanks for hearing my question and clarifying. |
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Re: Subscribers v.s. Members
On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 08:04 am, Denny G. wrote:
1. If I find a different G.io group, let's say by search, click on the group (Digitrax-Users or IBM, for example), I can't do anything except to request access (or join) the group. I don't see any "public" areas.There are a few areas that can be set for public viewing; the Wiki, the Guidelines, and Messages.? Depending on the group, you may or may not see any of these available. Duane -- Help: /static/help GMF's Wiki: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Search button at the top of Messages list A few site FAQs: /static/pricing#frequently-asked-questions |
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My Group Requiring Every Post to be Approved
I have a small private group that we've been posting to for a couple
of weeks. Today the group is suddenly requiring each post to be approved -- even my own posts! I've checked our group settings, and nothing has been changed. Our "Groups Settings" says, " Posts to this group do not require approval from the moderators." Is this just a temporary glitch? -- Leslie Noelani |
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Re: Group Transfer Question - Two Groups.IO Memberships
<Is there some overriding reason they can't log into the working account
and resubscribe to the groups that were previously subscribed to via the
now non-working account?
Yahoo had a Wizard that allowed merging accounts, but as I recall it didn't work - nor should it have worked - when the contact email address was invalid and thus couldn't confirm ownership.> Jim, that's what we'll have to do.? We'll try to find the original membership using that old email address, and simply unsub it, if we can find it.? Those list members that didn't change their Yahoo Groups email address to a new working email address, are going to have to manually apply.?
And, the Yahoo Membership Wizard did work, well, shockingly.? We rarely had issues with it, but it is possible it may not have been able to work with inactive email addresses.? I don't know the coding behind that wizard, so I cannot attest to whether or not it worked with old email addresses, but we rarely had a list member state they could not get their multiple Yahoo Groups accounts to merge.? Probably one of the most reliable parts of Yahoo Groups, shockingly.?
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Re: Subscribers v.s. Members
Okay, I'm not sure you guys know exactly how G.io is working for non-subscribers, or I'm totally confused.
Examples ... 1. If I find a different G.io group, let's say by search, click on the group (Digitrax-Users or IBM, for example), I can't do anything except to request access (or join) the group. I don't see any "public" areas. So, I'm not sure what you mean by the difference between "email" or "password" accesses. 2. Yes, Subscribers and Members appear to be synonymous ... If "members require approval before being allowed to join", then there are no "Public" areas to view. I'll try setting Spam Control to un-restrict membership and moderate new users. 3. And, Message Policies: to "allow non-subscribers to post" which appears to require a moderator, and see if that works for us. Of course, this creates more work for moderators, but that might give us the access level we need. Thanks for the assistance and patience. Dennis w6ek.groups.io |
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Re: Subscribers v.s. Members
Michael,
2) There are other people who 'belong' and do have a Password, andTo play devil's advocate I'll restate what I said to Dennis: nothing in Groups.io requires having a password. Anything you can do by logging in with a password you can also do by logging in via emailed link. The distinction in what you can do is whether you are currently logged in using a subscribed address or not. So that there is no confusion as to who is able to do what inI don't think there are any such terms. That's not saying that there shouldn't be. While I would support a move to consistently use "subscriber" for email-context activity and "member" for web-context activity, I wouldn't tie the terms to something as abstract as whether the user set a password or whether they've ever logged in to the site. I think it would be better to have clearly defined terms, than to haveI like clearly defined terms, but I don't think there is a context where one would need such phrases. All that needs to be said is that if you're not logged in your web access is limited to public areas; to access member areas you need to log in (and, of course, log in using an email address that is subscribed to the group). Shal -- Help: /static/help More Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Even More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list |
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Re: Subscribers v.s. Members
Dennis,
1. Subscribers, via an email address, may immediately have access to aYes, visiting the site without logging in a subscriber is given only access to "public" areas. Basically the site does not know that a visitor is a subscriber unless he/she logs in. But recall that it only takes a click on the "Email me a link to log in" button, and a click through the emailed link, for a subscriber to be logged in and then access the group as a full-fledged member. No muss, no fuss, no need for a password nor need to bother setting up anything in their account. Except, we want to limit access to new subscribers to view andI'm not precisely sure what distinction you are making by saying "new subscribers". As above, if the subscriber is not logged in to the site then he/she cannot create content via the web site, and can only read at the site that which is public. But once logged in the subscriber has full member rights - whatever those are in your group. This is somewhat possible now, I think, by requiring new subscribersMessage moderation for new subscribers/members applies only to message posting, and it applies to both posting by email and via the web pages. There have been calls in beta for an equivalent moderation ability for uploading Files, Photos, and other content - and that may be where your suggestion is heading. 2. ... Joining the "organization" also provides and grants full accessIn your two stage subscription/membership model, I assume subscribers receive group postings by email (else what would "subscription" mean), and I assume they are allowed to post messages by email (possibly subject to moderation as new members or otherwise). If so, this matches pretty well what we have now. Or are you looking to also tie their ability to post by email to the membership level? Another thing you might be looking for is some form of gate-keeping (by the moderators) between the subscription level and the membership level. Right now, for restricted groups, the gate-keeping is strictly at the subscription level - you must approve their subscription. Are you looking to have a second approval required to advance from subscriber to member? Yahoo! Groups allowed us to differentiate between subscribers andNo it doesn't. It is exactly the same over there, and always has been. If the group has restricted membership the gate-keeping is at the subscription level - no emails sent out until approved. Gaining web access (as Y!Groups sometimes calls it) requires setting up an account, and attaching your subscriptions to it. And while that has often been a mysterious and/or complicated process, it never has required any additional approval by the group. Shal -- Help: /static/help More Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Even More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list |
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Re: Group Transfer Question - Two Groups.IO Memberships
Jim,
I don't clearly understand how members that have to resubscribe "loseMembers can edit their own content (unless the group turned that off for message edits) and they can delete their own content. But not if that content is held under a defunct address/account. Shal -- Help: /static/help More Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Even More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list |
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Re: Group Transfer Question - Two Groups.IO Memberships
Patty,
Duane, what I was meaning was for all Groups someone has joined, to beThose accounts tied to accessible email addresses they can merge; the ones tied to inaccessible addresses must simply be abandon, together with the ownership of any content carried in from the Yahoo Group under those addresses. Except: moderators can now re-assign ownership of Photos and Albums. I haven't tried this but that may mean that if the person re-joins the group under an active account then a moderator can assign their photos from the old address to the new one. As I've said, I've not tried this and I've no idea how tedious it may be. Also, so far as I know, the same is not true for files or messages or other content. So, those list members will have to re-apply and lose their past YahooYup. On the "plus" side, they'll have to do the same with every Yahoo Group that gets transferred over with that old address as a member. So in that sense, between the merges and the re-joins, the member can unite all their group subscriptions under the same account. I wonder if Mark is going to the-vamp the account merge process.I very much doubt it. I don't see a way to demonstrate that you (the person with a new address) are the same person as previously used the now inaccessible address. The only way I see it happening is the way it seems to be with photos: let the group mods make the decision to re-assign the ownership. So the question I think, is how that process can be streamlined for members with a large body of content under a defunct address. Shal -- Help: /static/help More Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Even More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list |
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Re: Subscribers v.s. Members
There certainly are two types of 'belonging' to Groups.io that do exist.
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1) There are those people who 'belong' and do not have a Password (they may not understand or wish to have or use one - which is OK) but there are certain things they can not do in Groups.io 2) There are other people who 'belong' and do have a Password, and therefore can do those certain things that require a Password in Groups.io Clearly "Subscriber" and "Member" have not been carefully used to distinguish between these two types. I stated what seemed to me to be the appropriate differentiation of what those terms could and should mean. So that there is no confusion as to who is able to do what in Groups.io, my question was and is: What are the unambiguous, official Groups.io terms for these two types of 'belonging¡¯? I think it would be better to have clearly defined terms, than to have to say ¡®except if you do not have a Password¡¯, ¡®if you have a Password¡¯, or other such cumbersome phrases. On Jun 25, 2018, at 6:47 PM, Jim Higgins <HigginsJ@...> wrote: |
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Re: Calendar Bug: Last vs 4th or 5th weekday of the Month repeats
All I can figure is that for the time being we need to manually add such last-(FRI, SAT, SUN, etc.)day-of-the-month events for the 12-month period.
In that way we can compensate for the alteration of (last) days as the months proceed and create an accurate schedule. Hopefully if this is presented over on BETA they may have some way to provide this option. 'Til then it looks as if entering those dates manually is the simplest option. Thoughts? Comments? Cheers! Paul M. == |
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Leslie Noelani
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Denny G.
Shal Farley
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