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Re: Photo Ownership
If I understand correctly, this same problem pre-existed in the Yahoo group...the transfer simply brought it to light. In that sense, it's no different from people who landed on "no email" delivery only to later start bouncing, complaining, etc....
Depending on how you look at it, it's an annoying inconvenience, or an opportunity to perform housecleaning that perhaps should have been done a long time ago. Either way, it doesn't strike me as a serious shortcoming of the existing GIO platform. Bruce? |
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Re: Photo Ownership
ken,
At this time I can't see how to transfer the ownership of postedDano's mention of risks in this is may be understated. A general ability to re-assign ownership of member contributions could easily lead to all sorts of abuse, and probably also bad consequences from even innocent intentions. Starting with the TOS' requirement that the uploading member have the right to upload the material. If you can no longer tell who uploaded it... Ok, there is an obvious mitigation for that -- the fact that Mark would very likely include such changes in the group's Activity Log. Another mitigation, visible to members, could be an "Edited" badge next to the "By" - similar to the Edited badge used when message content is edited. Instead of a revision list, this badge could simply have a hover text showing the original "By" attribution. To further limit the possibility for abuse there could also be the requirement that the original "By" attribution be (tied to) an email address which is not confirmed in Groups.io's account records. That would limit it to cases like these items that belonged to former members of the Yahoo Group, or current members who had content tied to a dead email address. Shal -- Help: /static/help More Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Even More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list |
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Re: question regarding 'no mail'
Harlan,
They INITIALLY could, but a little over a year ago Yahoo made someIt has always been the case that using the web pages to control one's subscription requires being signed in to Yahoo. But that is not the same as being subscribed to a group with a Yahoo Mail address. And that's been a FAQ on the moderator help groups forever, because Yahoo did such a terrible job of making group join a clear and simple process. It has also always been the case that a group member with no Yahoo account whatsoever can control their subscription through the use of email commands. Note that I had to resort to the wayback machine to dig up that help page. I can't imagine why it has been removed from the current help system - all the email commands still work. Including the the only briefly documented ones: groupname-traditional @ yahoogroups.com groupname-fullfeatured @ yahoogroups.com The majority of my subscribers were NOT yahoo email people.That's still true of myself and the majority of the members of my groups still at Yahoo. The ID I use to manage my Y!Groups does not have an active Yahoo Mail address. Shal -- Help: /static/help More Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Even More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list |
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Re: Does transferring copy...
Jim,
or does it delete all content on the yahoo group?It copies. /g/GroupManagersForum/message/5787 Shal -- Help: /static/help More Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Even More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list |
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Re: question regarding 'no mail'
Shal,
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They INITIALLY could, but a little over a year ago Yahoo made some changes so if you were NOT subscribed with a Yahoo email address then you could NOT go to the Yahoo site to see pictures, change email status etc. One of MANY changes they made that caused problems, ESPECIALLY for people who were subscribed to my yahoo groups WITHOUT subscribing under a yahoo email address. I assumed it was to FORCE members to get a yahoo email address. The majority of my subscribers were NOT yahoo email people. Harlan -----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Shal Farley Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2018 1:06 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [GMF] question regarding 'no mail' Harlan, > Thanks for suggestion and confirming fact I can¡¯t do what I COULD do > on yahoo. Duane is correct. In Y!Groups there is no means for a group to prevent members from selecting No Email. I don't know why you think you remember doing that, but members could always change it for themselves. Shal -- Help: /static/help More Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Even More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list |
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Re: question regarding 'no mail'
Paul,
I've read all of the reasons but yet have not read why "SpecialBecause "a few" notices is not the same as No Email. I think in some cases the issue was a moderator's perceived over-use of the Special Notices feature. For example, sending routine announcements or periodic reminders as Special Notices. I can't imagine how I would have communicated the move to Groups.ioSpecial Notices get posted like any other group message. So those members on No Email ought to see it there. I would of had a potential 200 people on No Mail.As has been mentioned in other threads, in the specific case of a transfer from Yahoo! Groups, beware the members on No Email. There was a long period where all means for a member to unsubscribe were failing - both web and -unsubscribe email. The failure left the individual still on the group's Manage Members list, and still receiving group messages, but further attempts to unsubscribe gave a "not a member" error. The common advice became to go No Email first, before attempting to unsubscribe, just in case. The other advice was for the moderator to ban the person, as that seemed to work regardless. In one group I helped transfer over a No Email member, who hadn't posted in the Yahoo Group for many years, suddenly "woke up" after the transfer and promptly posted a mini-tirade berating the group owners. Lesson learned: before transferring a Yahoo Group put all No Email members on Moderation override. Some of them may be disgruntled but previously unable to unsubscribe. Shal -- Help: /static/help More Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Even More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list |
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Re: question regarding 'no mail'
On Sat, Mar 10, 2018 at 12:15 pm, Harlan Steinle wrote:
I was able to control it on yahoo, and did so. But there's nothing to prevent the member from changing it themselves any time they choose.? On your group here, you should re-enable the No Email setting, then it will act just like YG! Duane -- Help: /static/help GMF's Wiki: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Search button at the top of Messages list |
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Re: question regarding 'no mail'
On Sat, Mar 10, 2018 at 12:06 pm, Paul, Ohio, USA wrote:
why "Special Notices" won't do the same thing I always set my memberships here to Special Notices, so I won't miss something important.? Some owners don't seem to quite get the gist of Special Notice and send them frequently.? In that case, I'd go to No Email.? In the 17 years I've been a group owner, here and Y!, I've sent a total of 2! Duane -- Help: /static/help GMF's Wiki: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Search button at the top of Messages list |
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Re: question regarding 'no mail'
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýI was able to control it on yahoo, and did so. Just as an fyi. Harlan ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Duane ? On Sat, Mar 10, 2018 at 11:15 am, Harlan Steinle wrote:
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Re: question regarding 'no mail'
Harlan,
Thanks for suggestion and confirming fact I can¡¯t do what I COULD doDuane is correct. In Y!Groups there is no means for a group to prevent members from selecting No Email. I don't know why you think you remember doing that, but members could always change it for themselves. Shal -- Help: /static/help More Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Even More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list |
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Re: question regarding 'no mail'
On Sat, Mar 10, 2018 at 11:15 am, Harlan Steinle wrote:
I can¡¯t do what I COULD do on yahoo ?It's been over 4 years since I left Y!, so I'm not 100% sure about this.? I don't believe you can control who can set preferences to No Email there either.? As I recall, it was an option for members, but could be changed by a moderator, same as here (if it's allowed on your group.) Duane -- Help: /static/help GMF's Wiki: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Search button at the top of Messages list |
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Re: question regarding 'no mail'
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýNot sure this will help you to see WHY Don, but I¡¯ll give it a shot. ? Just so you might see WHY it is needed.? For 13 years I¡¯ve had a 2,000 member group that is made up of ¡®snowbirds¡¯ who for 3 to 4 months of the year do not want ANY communication from my group.? It is understandable BECAUSE my group is so narrowly defined.? It is a way for these people to be free from my ssv forum emails during that time they can NOT be online.? ? The reason I wanted the option to be the only one to put them on ¡®no mail¡¯, is that there are times a person selects ¡®no mail¡¯ when they really are meaning they want digest rather than individual post and so rather than GO on no-mail, I am able to communicate with them and explain the difference.? But the way it is currently set up it is a ¡®all or none¡¯ option. ? Different strokes for different folks.? Or needs for some groups, not necessarily the needs for ALL groups.? That is why I¡¯d like Mark to consider for a future update.? If you don¡¯t want to use the option then you don¡¯t have to, but right now that option is NOT AVAILABLE.? Harlan ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Don
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2018 10:02 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [GMF] question regarding 'no mail' ? ? What I have never understood is why people join a particular group (Which obviously talks about something of interest to them), and do not want to keep up with what the group is talking about. Special Notices are almost like No Email as they are hardly ever sent out, so that setting should be adequate to any lurking member. There are times when moderators need to communicate something important to the group, so allowing a member to select the No Email option is a nonstarter to me. ? Don |
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Re: question regarding 'no mail'
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýDuane, Thanks for suggestion and confirming fact I can¡¯t do what I COULD do on yahoo.? Only ¡®negative¡¯ I¡¯ve experienced since moving from Yahoo to Groups but the positives FAR outweigh this little ¡®bump¡¯. Don¡¯t know the procedure to get something like this on Mark¡¯s ¡®to do¡¯ list consideration, but I¡¯d sure like to see it there as I feel I have a valid reason for needing this option for my group of close to 2,000. Again, thanks for the quick reply.? I¡¯m am SO appreciative of help like this that was NON-EXISTENT with yahoo. Harlan ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Duane ? There's not a way to do what you want.? My suggestion would be to allow No Email as a choice, then download the Members once in awhile for sorting by Email Delivery in a spreadsheet program.? Then you could copy the appropriate records to your spreadsheet.? An alternative would be to not allow No mail, so those people would be Special Notices by default, and not send any Special notices. |
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