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Re: Can't create a group, but e-mail says it doesn't exist

 

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Thanks, makes sense.

wunder
Walter Underwood
wunder@...
http://observer.wunderwood.org/??(my?blog)

On Feb 6, 2018, at 9:31 AM, Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:

wunder,

> We can¡¯t create the group, but when I send mail to [it], I get this
> response:
>
> 510 The group 'nasota' does not exist.

That suggests to me that someone already created a group by that name, then deleted it.

The name of a deleted group remains reserved indefinitely. You could write to [email protected] to see if Mark will unlock the name for you.

Shal
Re: Can't create a group, but e-mail says it doesn't exist

 

wunder,

We can¡¯t create the group, but when I send mail to [it], I get this
response:

510 The group 'nasota' does not exist.
That suggests to me that someone already created a group by that name, then deleted it.

The name of a deleted group remains reserved indefinitely. You could write to [email protected] to see if Mark will unlock the name for you.

Shal
Re: Can't create a group, but e-mail says it doesn't exist

 

Walter,

Perhaps its awaiting approval? I assume it says it already exists?

Dave

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Walter Underwood
Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 7:47 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [GMF] Can't create a group, but e-mail says it doesn't exist

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We are considering moving nasota@... to . We can¡¯t create the group, but when I send mail to [email protected], I get this response:

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<[email protected]>: host?[45.79..81.153] said: 510 The group?'nasota' does not exist.?

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What¡¯s up?

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wunder
Walter Underwood
wunder@...
??(my?blog)

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Re: Can't create a group, but e-mail says it doesn't exist

 

Yes, I have a password. I the owner for two groups.
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When I try and create an ¡°nasota¡± group, the error message is "That address has already been taken."
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wunder
Walter Underwood
wunder@...
http://observer.wunderwood.org/??(my?blog)

On Feb 6, 2018, at 8:59 AM, Don <dgrass1@...> wrote:

Maybe I¡¯m not reading what you said right, but you cannot go to a group that has not been created.
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Don
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Re: Thinking about moving my groups from Yahoo over here, but have some questions

 

Bruce,

(1) Are there any "gotchas" like this ends up being a paid service?
It only becomes paid if you deliberately upgrade your group.

(2) If there are paid levels, what do I get for free?
See the Pricing link at the bottom of every Groups.io page. While you're at it, you may wish to peruse Help and maybe some of the others.
/static/pricing

(3) Can I merge two Yahoo groups into one groupio group?
Yes. Just run the transfer procedure (link at the page footer) once for each Y!Group, specifying the same Groups.io group as the target.

An alternative would be to make one group be a subgroup of the other. That would only make sense if the membership of one of them includes all (or substantially all) of the members of the other. There have been some discussions about doing this in the last week or so, search for subgroup in our Messages archive. See also our wiki, which has some articles about subgroups.
/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/home

Shal
Re: Can't create a group, but e-mail says it doesn't exist

 

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Maybe I¡¯m not reading what you said right, but you cannot go to a group that has not been created.

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Don

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Walter Underwood
Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 7:47 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [GMF] Can't create a group, but e-mail says it doesn't exist

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We are considering moving nasota@... to . We can¡¯t create the group, but when I send mail to [email protected], I get this response:

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<[email protected]>: host?[45.79..81.153] said: 510 The group?'nasota' does not exist.?

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What¡¯s up?

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wunder
Walter Underwood
wunder@...
??(my?blog)

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Re: Can't create a group, but e-mail says it doesn't exist

 

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Have you created a groups.io password?

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On 2018-02-06 07:46, Walter Underwood wrote:

We are considering moving nasota@... to . We can't create the group, but when I send mail to [email protected], I get this response:
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<[email protected]>: host?[45.79..81.153] said: 510 The group?'nasota' does not exist.?
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What's up?
wunder
Walter Underwood
wunder@...
http://observer.wunderwood.org/??(my?blog)
Can't create a group, but e-mail says it doesn't exist

 

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We are considering moving nasota@... to . We can¡¯t create the group, but when I send mail to [email protected], I get this response:

<[email protected]>: host?[45.79..81.153] said: 510 The group?'nasota' does not exist.?

What¡¯s up?

wunder
Walter Underwood
wunder@...
http://observer.wunderwood.org/??(my?blog)
Thinking about moving my groups from Yahoo over here, but have some questions

 

(1)? Are there any "gotchas" like this ends up being a paid service??

(2) If there are paid levels, what do I get for free?

(3) Can I merge two Yahoo groups into one groupio group?
Group members profiles

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My group has been running now since December 31st, and so far everyone is happy, but, there's always a but, why if they login are the members and myself prompted to re-write their profile bio. Unless they specifically want to amend their profile bio, I can't understand the necessity of this step.?
Re: message numbers

 

Thanks!
Re: Members not seeing their own messages/spoofing

 

Thanks, Duane. Yes, the fraud message appears to be an Outlook issue.

I will advise people about setting their Preferences. I know there were several that were not gmail, but on the other hand, at least one has now said she can see messages, so maybe it will sort itself out.

(My big problem has been the number of people sending test messages, multiple times when they can¡¯t see their own! But I hope that will stop now.)

Elizabeth


On 5 Feb 2018, at 23:59, Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:

On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 02:34 pm, Elizabeth Bentley wrote:
[This sender failed our fraud detection checks and may not be who they appear to be. Learn about spoofing at ]
It appears to me that that message is sent by MS Office/Mail. Maybe you could check with a few of the folks and see if that's what they have in common.

All messages should be visible online. If some folks aren't getting copies by email of things they send, it could be related to the default setting in gmail. That can be corrected by each individual by selecting the checkbox for "I always want copies of my own messages" on the Preferences page of their Account. There may be other services that also do this, but gmail is the most well known.

Duane
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Re: Can a group be Renamed?

 

Thanks for the additional info Shal.

I was interested in this topic myself because I thought I might want to change the name of one of my groups, following a potential change of a product name, but I decided against it for precisely these reasons (though as you point out I was wrong about the site URL).

Richard

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Shal Farley
Sent: 06 February 2018 07:59
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [GMF] Can a group be Renamed?

Richard,

> However as far as I can see there¡¯s no way to change the group¡¯s site > URL, ...

Changing the Group Email Address also changes its site URL correspondingly. The two are always matched.

> On the other hand if you could change the URL, then all the links at > the end of all the historical email posts in members¡¯ inboxes would no > longer be valid, which would be much worse.

That, plus their bookmarks. Plus the corresponding email addresses in old messages and their address book. All good reasons to avoid changing the Group Email Address once the group has more than a few members.

Shal
Re: Can a group be Renamed?

 

Richard,

However as far as I can see there¡¯s no way to change the group¡¯s site
URL, ...
Changing the Group Email Address also changes its site URL correspondingly. The two are always matched.

On the other hand if you could change the URL, then all the links at
the end of all the historical email posts in members¡¯ inboxes would no
longer be valid, which would be much worse.
That, plus their bookmarks. Plus the corresponding email addresses in old messages and their address book. All good reasons to avoid changing the Group Email Address once the group has more than a few members.

Shal
Re: How to recover a lost or abandoned Yahoo Group and transfer it to Groups.io

 

Harry,

Is there any way to recover and re-initiate an abandoned Yahoo Group?
...
Unfortunately the Moderator has disappeared and for a year or more now
very few are able to post - only those who for whatever reason were
not on moderation.
At this time I don't think so. Unless you can find an active moderator of the Y!Group with at least the privilege to "Add, remove, and change moderator privileges" it would require the help of Yahoo Customer Care to give someone that privilege. And Customer Care no longer supports Yahoo Groups.

On the other hand see this message in Y!GMF, contact Simon off-list, and cross your fingers:


Alternatively, is there any way for a user (not the moderator) to copy
everything over to a new groups.io account?
No. At least not directly.

The transfer agent requires moderator access to the Y!Group in order to copy the content. Absent an owner or privileged moderator in that group to promote the transfer agent, that approach is closed off.

As a member I think you can get a limited download of the group content using PG Offline. I'm not sure what the limitations are without moderator status, and I'm not sure if [email protected] could, or would, import the downloaded archive.


You might also try the Chrome app to download the messages, but again I've not tried it without moderator privileges:


The Group Eudora.win is a public group with 253 members founded July
3, 2001. It contains a wealth of historical information about the
vintage Eudora email client that many still use.
Interesting. I was a Eudora user up until about a year ago. I find two others in the directory, but one of them hasn't had activity since 2000.

Shal
Re: Approving new members - and NOT!

 

Marcia,

they are on that list, I click on Reply. If I can't find them, I
don't do anything. In either case I receive a message "New Subscriber
To ... with the email address and the name and/or email address is on
the groups.io member list.

What am I doing incorrectly? Why is the name/email address on the
member list?
Have a look at the group's Activity log for clues. Perhaps another moderator is approving them? Perhaps some form of auto-reply in your email service is doing it?

Shal
Re: Question About Transferring a Large Yahoo Groups List #transfer

 

It is very valuable to set the groups.io group up and play with it with just 2 or 3 people to get used to it and learn how it works. Then have the transfer done.

Patty, how often do? your members actually access the oldest pictures? Also, we are a group of miniaturists, and our photos are showing well at 312 x 312. Yes, they are properly proportioned. We asked for that to be done from the beginning.
Barb Jones




From: hoosierquilt via Groups.Io <hoosierquilt@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, February 5, 2018 7:15 PM
Subject: [GMF] Question About Transferring a Large Yahoo Groups List #transfer

Well, I think it's probably about time for me to seriously consider transferring my large Yahoo Groups over to Groups.IO. My one group has not had any Photos functionality now for about 6 weeks.? Fearful I will continue to lose features and functionality so that the Easy Groups Transfer process will not work.

I have a few questions, and please forgive me if any are redundant - feel free to refer me to an appropriate message number if needed.? So, I have 4 groups on Yahoo Groups.? All have been in existence for several years, one or two as long as 2004.? They all have between 3,000 and 6,000 list members, but of course, only a fraction of those members are now active (dwindling due to all the issues).? We are image-heavy due to the groups all being focused on sewing, machine embroidery and quilting.? So, my thoughts were to create a couple of archive groups that would only house older photos - no posting - in order to keep our active list under 1 GB (my list members would most likely not be inclined to pay to join, in order to cover the cost of the Premium level group.? So, the question would be:? How would I transfer over some of the photos to one or two photo archive groups during the transfer process?? Am I able to select certain things to transfer over during the Easy Group Transfer process?? I believe I did see that the moderator/list owner can indicate a size limit with photos, when list members upload, so as not to have huge photos uploaded.? And that Groups.IO will automatically re-size photos to that size (scaling of course, so w x h remains in proportion)?? And, when I do make the Easy Transfer, do I have to send out the email invites right away?? I would like to see how the list looks prior to doing that, so when list members start signing up, the new list on Groups.IO is organized and tidy.? Last question:? I do not see that Groups.IO has a Links section, like Yahoo Groups does?? Am I missing this, or is this possibly in the works, or simply "not gonna happen"?? We do use the Links section pretty frequently, so it would be awfully nice to have that additional feature available.? Not a deal-breaker, though.?
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Patty S.


Re: Question About Transferring a Large Yahoo Groups List #transfer

 

Thanks for your detailed answers, Shal.? Just as a point of interest, I asked about setting up archive groups that are just to house old photos because I found a group just like that in Groups.IO.? We had actually done that exact same thing many years ago with Yahoo Groups, when they used to put a really small limit on the Photos section size, which is what made me think about doing this.? The reason I ask is the Photos section of one of my larger lists is 7.53 GB (eight years worth of photos).? I think the best thing to do is to contact Mark and ask him about this possibility.? Not that I'm trying to avoid paying, just that I don't see how I could charge for membership to cover the $110 annual fee (Frances, yes, I do realize it's annual, not monthly, but someone has to pay that, and I'm not inclined to do that).? I don't think Mark has anything set up so folks are billed a fee when joining, then annually.? So, I would have to figure out a way to cover that cost.? I understand there are others who don't mind paying that annual fee, but I guess I feel I already "donate" to the list with my time, and to also then have to pay for the privilege of others to join for free seems more than the generosity I have to give :-)? Since I don't have a business that benefits from my groups, just not willing to pay with both my time and dollars so others can continue to enjoy a free support group.? So, trying to figure out a way to manage all of our old photos so I can keep our group small enough to fit in the free category.? I might also be able to upload all the old photos to a photo sharing site like Flicker I guess.? Have to think about how to manage this issue, as it affects 2 of my 4 groups, whose Photos sections alone, are over 1 GB.?


Patty Sliney



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Patty S.
Re: Question About Transferring a Large Yahoo Groups List #transfer

 

Patty,

So, the question would be: How would I transfer over some of the
photos to one or two photo archive groups during the transfer process?
Heh. Well here you may need some tact. Or a Jedi mind trick.

The transfer agent is also the owner of the product. So asking him to break your Y!Group archive into multiple Free Groups.io groups so as to avoid paying him for Premium...

Well, I don't know. Don't ask, don't get, I suppose.

Am I able to select certain things to transfer over during the
Easy Group Transfer process?
You can by whole sections (Files, Photos, etc.) but I don't know if mark can subdivide a section. Probably he can, but... above.

I believe I did see that the moderator/list owner can indicate a size
limit with photos, when list members upload, so as not to have huge
photos uploaded. And that Groups.IO will automatically re-size photos
to that size
Also applies to photos copied by the transfer agent. So that may be another solution, as it could substantially reduce the storage per photo. But it might not be acceptable if members need to zoom in on the photos to see the finer details of the needlework.

(scaling of course, so w x h remains in proportion)?
Yes, of course.

And, when I do make the Easy Transfer, do I have to send out the email
invites right away?
You don't need to send any invites. When the transfer completes the members copied in will automatically receive a notice from Groups.io giving them the address (email and web) of the group and an opt-out link.

If (before starting the transfer) you've customized the group's default Welcome notice the copied in members will receive that also. See the help page for more info about member notices:
/static/help#membernotices

I would like to see how the list looks prior to doing that, so when
list members start signing up, the new list on Groups.IO is organized
and tidy.
You might be able to ask Mark to defer those notices. That was asked once before but I don't recall what the answer was, if any.

Doing things the other way around, transferring all the content before the Members list, has other problems. I think then the content can't be connected to its proper owner (since they're not in the new group yet) and it all ends up as if uploaded by you. But again, that may be a question that needs to be asked of Mark, [email protected] - he may have a solution for that now.

I do not see that Groups.IO has a Links section, like Yahoo Groups
does? Am I missing this, or is this possibly in the works, or
simply "not gonna happen"?
Your Y!Groups Links section is converted into a table in the Database section. Groups.io's databases are more flexible, and have no capacity limits so that isn't as horrid a solution as it might seem. (Photos in the database are counted against your group storage quota, but your Yahoo Group links section and database section won't have any.)

Shal
Re: Question About Transferring a Large Yahoo Groups List #transfer

 

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Hi

You said: ¡°(my list members would most likely not be inclined to pay to join, in order to cover the cost of the Premium level group.¡±

I guess you realize that the premium cost is per group, not per group member.?
Your group can get 10 GB for $110 a year. Or $10 monthly.?
If I misunderstood you, please ignore!

Frances
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