On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 08:50 PM, Janet Crawford wrote:

I got a long list of accounts that they claim are bouncing yesterday.

Janet -- Bouncing is an account status, not a subscription status. And you may be subscribed to some groups without realizing it. For example, for awhile every new account was automatically subscribed to the Updates group, but no emails were sent to them.?I don't know if this is still true.?

You can see your total list of groups you're subscribed to at?/groups?

So I used the link and cleared up the bouncing according to them. Now I just got another message - same thing, same list - and was told I am bouncing all those and to use the link to clear it.

Clearing the bouncing status at groups.io will not help if GMail still isn't accepting messages. If anyone posts another message to a group you're subscribed to, groups.io will get the same error back from GMail, and voila -- you're bouncing all over again.

Again, the same. In between I did not use any of those accounts for anything.

Your GMail account was not accepting group messages. Whether you did or didn't do something with your groups.io account has no effect on that.

This GMail problem was finally fixed about an hour ago ().

Groups is screwed up or getting hacked.

Such statements without clear evidence serve only to spread unwarranted fear and are generally unproductive. If you could share what you've actually been sent with the rest of the group (screenshots, or maybe a forward of your bounce notice), perhaps we can help you with further troubleshooting.

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Donna,

Why did I get a bounce message that listed a long list of groups I was
bouncing on (including my own)?

What Ken said: Bouncing status applies to your email address across all of your group subscriptions.

The issue is first that only half of them are groups I belong to. The
rest are groups I no longer belong to or have NEVER belonged to ...

That shouldn't be the case. Could these be groups where you've set No Mail, but are still a member (and have forgotten)?

and secondly I've been receiving messages from the groups I belong to
all day without noticing any interruption.

That I can't answer. I missed a bunch of today's traffic in GMF because my Gmail address was continuously bouncing them. Each unbounce I did was promptly followed by bouncing the next message.

Is it possible you're using two or more email addresses for group subscriptions, and not all of them are Gmail? The footer of each message will tell you the address it was sent to (next to the Unsubscribe link).

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? ? ? But THAT was the problem. Half the groups it listed me as belonging to are NOT groups I belong to or ever have.? I checked the error message my server sent and the bounce was triggered by a single message from a group I DO belong to which stated it had tried to reach an address that didn't exist. There was no threshold of multtiple bounces that was exceeded. ? Fortunately, it appears to have been part of the general issue with Google that happened today. Messages received by GMail from the groups were bounced back as "no such address". ? ? Donna ?

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Ahhh ...so THAT explains the weird bounce message I just got about an hour ago. The strangest part of it was? it listed multiple groups I'm not even a member of.?List members/ owners?come from all over the world. In the small number of lists I belong to, one is based in France and another in Brazil with members scattered across the globe.. The majority of my members seem to be in Canada. The problem was pretty much worldwide but seems to be resolving itself slowly but surely. ? ? ? ? ? ?

Donna,

When GIO detects a bounce, it stops sending to that address for all the
groups that the address is signed up for. The trigger condition may be all
from one group or it may be a series of messages from a number of groups
that put you over the threshold. It turns you off in all groups at once.
Just like 'unbouncing' puts you on for all of your groups at once. If you
happen to be in a number of very active groups, you have a higher chance of
tripping the bounce threshold.

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David,

Do I have to add "ip4:66.175.222.108"?
Someone mentioned that I need to add ip4:66.175.222.12 too. Is that
correct?

Yes, those two are Groups.io's outbound mail servers, hosted at Linode.

When I send an email to groups.io, I get a DKIM fail and SPF fail. I
would like to work on SPF for now as I am just learning about this.

I don't really know anything about configuring one's own mail server properly, but including Groups.io's outbound mail servers as allowed senders in your SPF policy is likely to be effective, if a bit crude. Assuming that what you're aiming for is a DMARC pass from the receiving email service.

"Crude" in the sense that *any* message coming from those two servers can be authenticated as coming from you - not that I'd expect any fellow group members to spoof your From domain, except perhaps as a stunt.

Your DKIM signature of course is hopeless, as Groups.io modifies both the message Subject field and body (appended footer) on the way through. But at least Groups.io strips yours and applies its own DKIM signature, for whatever that's worth to the receiver. For DMARC purposes it is a fail because groups.io doesn't align with your domain in the header From field.

Groups.io also provides an Authentication-Results header to report on its own evaluation of your incoming DKIM and SPF results, and backs that up with an ARC signature so that any receiving email service can take Groups.io's word for your authentication, if they choose to trust Groups.io as an ARC sealer.

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Fixed it in the UK? ? That’s a UK link. ? What about across the big pond in the USA?

Charlotte?in Texas

For us the mailbox does not exist bounces from gmail have mostly cleared up.? The rest may be legitimate error messages.? Most list members are US based.? The rest are from all over the world.

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? ? Why did I get a bounce message that listed a long list of groups I was bouncing on (including my own)? The issue is first that only half of them are groups I belong to. The rest are groups I no longer belong to or have NEVER belonged to and secondly I've been receiving messages from the groups I belong to all day without noticing any interruption. ? Weird. ? ? After "unbouncing" myself, I am sending a message to my own group to see if anyone else has received a similar message. ? ? Donna

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Charlotte,

Fixed it in the UK? That’s a UK link. What about across the big
pond in the USA?

Hmm... Not sure how I got that one. But yes, here too:

(it is apparently the same page)

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Fixed it in the UK? ? That’s a UK link. ? What about across the big pond in the USA?

John,

Except it's still kind of broken.

Google says they've fixed it now.

A lot of us dealing with bad bounces...

Mark is unbouncing them now.


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Except it's still kind of broken.? ? A lot of us dealing with bad bounces...

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Hi Joseph
Well looks like groups io is working on it and google s getting it together, hopeing. Smile
The best of luck to all who is working with this craziness. ?

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-Sugar, ??

Shal, I haven't read other posts, just yours, but I just got the bounce message for one of my groups.? I went to the group to see what bounced, and she reported hundreds of messages bouncing, all gmail.? I sure hope Mark can fix this.? With yahoo closing, I would assume he knew what was about to happen here and had prepared for it.? First time that's ever happened to me in gmail.? Not good.
Terri

Oh mine was yesterday when I got bounced. I haven't been bounced today.
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On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 06:13 PM, Joseph Hudson wrote:

However, I got to bounce probes for some strange reason.

Like Sugar, I sent a bounce probe to about 125 GMF members whose GMail accounts were Bouncing this morning. This was under the assumption that Google had actually fixed the problem that was said to have occurred "yesterday."?

Unfortunately, it proved to be a waste of time. Please wait for the issue to be remedied...and avoid repeating my mistake.

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Bruce

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