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Group.io links at the end of emails

 

Hi everyone,

I have just started migrating two Yahoo Group mailing lists of the Group.io.? I like the ease with which the transfer completes, and the site is way more reliable than Yahoo.? However, I am getting complaints that the links at the end of each email are longer than many of the messages that my users send.? Some of the links are useful, so is there a way to either select some of them, or turn them off all together?? Does the creation of a signature overwrite the links?

This is the only annoyance that I have, so if someone could provide me with "the good word", I would be grateful.

--Mark


Re: Problems with Women Writers through the Ages @ Yahoo

 

Dear Shal and all,

The listserv WomenWritersThroughTheAges is now working again and suddenly a flood of messages -- about 20 if you count the "tests."?I am told that other listservs are suddenly working again.

I?received this message:

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Hello,

By inviting [email protected] to join your group WomenwritersThroughTheAges@..., you have taken the first step towards transfering your group to Groups.io. Here is what you need to do next:

  1. Make [email protected] a moderator of your Yahoo group. Uncheck all moderator privileges.

  2. Send an email to [email protected] saying that you are ready to transfer your group. Make sure you include the names of both your old Yahoo Group and new Groups.io group in your email. The email should be sent from the same address as the owner of your Groups.io group.

    If you have any questions, please contact [email protected].

    Cheers,
    The Groups.io Team

but it has not appeared o the listserv though the listserv was cc'd.? I've now queried the members and am waiting for replies?-- no one seems eager, no one says they want to move; two people said "a glitch."

Would it be possible for me "told hold a place" at Beta and at the Group Managers Forum until the above?message appears on the list or at?such time as it seems the members will agree.

I dislike Yahoo intensely; I never got an explanation from them but am unwilling to force people and of course nervous about moving to another place I don't know as yet. From the directions I received today it seems that I give up my moderation and hand it over to [email protected]

I'd like to stay here as an individual while I wait to see what happens in the next few days.

Ellen

On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 2:40 PM, Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:
Ellen,

> For now I want to send this message here, which I also sent to the
> Beta address because I'm not sure what to do next.

Beta is the official "suggestion box" for Groups.io. It is the place to suggest changes, new features or enhancements to the Groups.io service. It has nothing to do with transferring your Yahoo Group.

> I've just joined the page set up. I was using the word
> "instructions" and now I think? the word I need to use is advice.

That's certainly apt here in the GMF group (and for unoffical replies in beta). The "instructions" are on the transfer pages and the help pages.

> I looked at everything and am not sure what to do next.

Read the instructions:
/static/yahootransfer

Step 0: create your group.

Before the transfer can begin you need to create a group on Groups.io into which your Yahoo Group members and content will be copied.

This step allows you to choose the name your group will have on Groups.io, which does not have to be the same as the name on Yahoo. It also lets you set up the group's home page, a Welcome message, Guidelines, and any other content in your new group which you may want to have in place before you initiate the transfer.

Step 1: Invite the user [email protected] to join your Yahoo Group.

That email address is how you will communicate with Groups.io during the transfer process.

After it accepts the invitation and is a member of your Yahoo Group you'll need to promote it to moderator - it is through that moderator position that Groups.io gains access to your Yahoo Groups's content. When you promote it to moderator you don't need to give it any privileges as it will take no actions other than copying members and content.

> Is my [group]? moved over as yet:? If so, where is it?

You'd know if it were, after emails from [email protected].

Shal





Re: Test Group Question

 

Paul,

Will I have to delete the members I used for the test so that
there is not a collision?
No.

Any email addresses already in the target group will be skipped during the member transfer. The only downside to this is that their subscription settings won't be copied over, but that's not a biggie.

Shal


Test Group Question

 

Hi All,
I'm thinking about setting up a placeholder with some members from the existing Yahoo Group. If I do this, what happens when I do the total transfer? Will I have to delete the members I used for the test so that there is not a collision?
Thanks, Paul, Ohio, USA


Re: in Files? #hashtags

 

Toby,

Are Files with a hashtag in the description indexed to be included in
a hashtag search? It appears they are not. Should they be?
Oh, that's an interesting idea.

So far as I know, only message topics implement the hashtag concept. But extending it to Files and perhaps Photos could be quite useful.

I think you should suggest it over in beta@ - Groups.io's official "suggestion box".


Shal


Re: Changing the wording of messages and pages

Newcastle Ramblers
 

On 24/11/2017, at 8:53 , Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:

David,

Messages in this group have different text at the bottom.
Some of the links in the footer have variations that depend on your subscription settings, and on the settings of the group.

Also, the footer appears different if the message is plain text versus HTML formatted.
This is probably it. If it is plain text, you get the full URL as text like this:

Presumably messages that get this are HTML where the URL is hidden:

Groups.io Links:
You receive all messages sent to this group.

View/Reply Online (#15315) | Reply To Group | Reply To Sender | Mute This Topic | New Topic

Change Your Subscription
Group Home
Contact Group Owner
Terms Of Service
Unsubscribe From This Group


Re: Setting up a 'placeholder' group . . . .

 

Paul,

... how long can our .io group sit idle without being removed (if
that's a possibility) before we need to do something about making our
move and occupying it?
There is no time limit that I'm aware of. I held a couple of placeholders for over a year before initiating the transfer.

That's not saying that Groups.io won't institute some sort of policy for placeholders, if there gets to be too many of them.

Shal


Re: Changing the wording of messages and pages

 

David,

Messages in this group have different text at the bottom.
Some of the links in the footer have variations that depend on your subscription settings, and on the settings of the group.

Also, the footer appears different if the message is plain text versus HTML formatted.

And there's a longstanding - I consider it a bug - that if the message is HTML formatted but you view it in your email service as plain text, then no footer at all appears. I contend that the plain-text footer should be present in the text/plain portion of a formatted message, but Groups.io has not put a priority on it.

Shal


Re: Remove an empty SUBGROUP created by mistake?

 

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Go to the subgroups settings then click on the remove or delete. I can't remember ?the wording now.



On Nov 22, 2017, at 10:14 PM, chicopaddleheads@... wrote:

Doesn't seem to be a removal function, and creating a first subgroup appears to have altered the root address, apparently changing the submission path. Advice?


Re: Changing the wording of messages and pages

Newcastle Ramblers
 

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On 24/11/2017, at 8:19 , "Duane" <txpigeon@...> wrote:

On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 01:15 pm, Newcastle Ramblers wrote:
Messages in this group have different text at the bottom.
The footers that you'll see on messages you receive in email will depend on how you have your subscription set up for that group.

Duane
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Groups.io Links:

You receive all messages sent to this group.

View/Reply Online (#2705) | Reply To Group | Reply To Sender | Mute This Topic | New Topic

Change Your Subscription
Group Home
Contact Group Owner
Terms Of Service
Unsubscribe From This Group

This^ is what appears in my group and on your message to GMF. But other GMF messages have this at the bottom:



How come they are different?



Setting up a 'placeholder' group . . . .

 

Dear Shal & Gentle GMF Members,

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This question may have been asked before but I don't recall and if so I cannot locate it anywhere:

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If I set up a named group in Groups.io as a 'placeholder' in anticipation of an eventual move to Groups.io of our existing YGroups group of that same name [let's call it 'MyNewGroup'], and 'MyNewGroup' sits idle until we finally decide to proceed with the move, then how long can our .io group sit idle without being removed (if that's a possibility) before we need to do something about making our move and occupying it?

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Sorry for the clause-dense sentence above but I was trying to make my question as comprehensive as possible.

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Suggestions?? Observations?? Anything I maybe overlooked??

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Regards,

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Paul M.

CRL Owner/Moderator

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Re: Changing the wording of messages and pages

 

On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 01:15 pm, Newcastle Ramblers wrote:
Messages in this group have different text at the bottom.
The footers that you'll see on messages you receive in email will depend on how you have your subscription set up for that group.

Duane


Re: Changing the wording of messages and pages

Newcastle Ramblers
 

On 23/11/2017, at 5:51 , Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:

However, I have not been able to find a way to change the
text at the bottom of every message:

/Groups.io Links:/
As Sarah mentioned you can add your own content to the footer. But there is no way to alter the standard Groups.io footer content.
Messages in this group have different text at the bottom. Either it must be possible to change it, or it must be possible to not display it, and what is being displayed is the footer defined within the group.


Re: Problems with Women Writers through the Ages @ Yahoo

 

Ellen,

For now I want to send this message here, which I also sent to the
Beta address because I'm not sure what to do next.
Beta is the official "suggestion box" for Groups.io. It is the place to suggest changes, new features or enhancements to the Groups.io service. It has nothing to do with transferring your Yahoo Group.

I've just joined the groups.io page set up. I was using the word
"instructions" and now I think the word I need to use is advice.
That's certainly apt here in the GMF group (and for unoffical replies in beta). The "instructions" are on the transfer pages and the help pages.

I looked at everything and am not sure what to do next.
Read the instructions:
/static/yahootransfer

Step 0: create your group.

Before the transfer can begin you need to create a group on Groups.io into which your Yahoo Group members and content will be copied.

This step allows you to choose the name your group will have on Groups.io, which does not have to be the same as the name on Yahoo. It also lets you set up the group's home page, a Welcome message, Guidelines, and any other content in your new group which you may want to have in place before you initiate the transfer.

Step 1: Invite the user [email protected] to join your Yahoo Group.

That email address is how you will communicate with Groups.io during the transfer process.

After it accepts the invitation and is a member of your Yahoo Group you'll need to promote it to moderator - it is through that moderator position that Groups.io gains access to your Yahoo Groups's content. When you promote it to moderator you don't need to give it any privileges as it will take no actions other than copying members and content.

Is my [group] moved over as yet:? If so, where is it?
You'd know if it were, after emails from [email protected].

Shal


Re: Changing the wording of messages and pages

 

Sharon,

... when on announcement lists any response will get you unsubscribed.
Huh? This is not automatically true. And would seem a strange thing for a moderator to do.

In my PTA Announcement Group I have the Reply To option set to "Moderators" - so any member's reply goes to the group's +owner address (which is forwarded to me and the moderators of the group).

Shal


Re: Ease of transfer of group from Yahoo? Capacity at IO? #transfer

 

Michelle,

Dear IO and Dear Group Managers,
For the record, Groups.io is not here - this is a volunteer-run help group. Groups.io has the official groups update and beta, plus email support at [email protected]

2. What implications for the member?
They will receive a welcome notice from Groups.io, and optionally one you set up before the transfer to be sent to them. Most of their subscription settings (Individual/Digest etc.) will be copied over from their Yahoo Group settings.

Especially, will they have to create a new account here,
Only for web access to members-only areas of your group. Fortunately the process is very simple.

or if they to date have been only using the YahooGroup via their email
to send and receive messages, will it be a seamless transfer with no
verification step necessary?
The members will immediately begin receiving group messages (per their subscription settings for Individual/Digest/Special/None) and may immediately begin posting by email - no verification step needed for that.

3. If *everyone* having trouble at YahooGroups is getting the same
advice, to transfer to Groups.io, how is capacity? Are you going to
be able to handle the deluge?
Groups.io buys web service and storage from large web services companies, so I think the capacity can expand dynamically as needed.

As I understand it there is some manual involvement by support (Mark) in setting up and starting each transfer, so he may be getting a bit busy.

Shal


Re: Ease of transfer of group from Yahoo? Capacity at IO? #transfer

 

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Michelle -
I have moved three of my own groups (one with extensive message archives)?and oversaw the moves of a number more. The most difficult thing was to remember to make the 'transfer' email address a moderator of your Yahoo group. To be honest, I think it takes longer to explain the process than it does to do it. If there are problems afterward, use the help email and Mark can straighten out about anything. I'm sure it's even smoother since I moved my groups.
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As for the members, most of mine never noticed. I had to remind them to change their address books to show the new group address and to send messages to the correct address, but otherwise there was nothing but praise from most of them. I left my old Yahoo groups running but set to full moderation so I could catch those who forgot.
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If you run into any problems with managing the move or dealing with issues that may arise, bring them here to this group. I would guess there are already thousands of groups that have moved, and waiting will only risk losing your information if Yahoo finally scuttles itself.
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Dano
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Dear IO and Dear Group Managers,

Serious question -- with the current system outage over at YahooGroups, I am seriously considering moving my Yahoo Groups here, as there have been positive reviews.

Several questions --?

1.? Is it easy to transfer the groups?

2.? What implications for the member?? Especially, will they have to create a new account here, or if they to date have been only using the YahooGroup via their email to send and receive messages, will it be a seamless transfer with no verification step necessary?

3.? If *everyone* having trouble at YahooGroups is getting the same advice, to transfer to Groups.io, how is capacity?? Are you going to be able to handle the deluge?

Many many thanks,
I may make the move in the next few hours...

Michelle
(moderator in Geneva, Switzerland)


Re: Changing the wording of messages and pages

J_Catlady
 

There is absolutely no question that it¡¯s significantly better.

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 23, 2017, at 10:27 AM, Sharon Villines <sharon@...> wrote:



On Nov 23, 2017, at 7:03 AM, Newcastle Ramblers <newcastle.ramblers@...> wrote:


The question is whether to make the effort to move them or not. It needs to be significantly better to make it worthwhile.
Trust me. The switch is effortless. And in some indefinable way the Groups.io list is intuitive and transparent. It¡¯s just less bother and fuss.

People have volunteered that it is ¡°smoother¡± and less in your face. Visually it¡¯s clean design.

Sharon
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Sharon Villines
[email protected]




Re: Changing the wording of messages and pages

 

On Nov 23, 2017, at 7:03 AM, Newcastle Ramblers <newcastle.ramblers@...> wrote:


The question is whether to make the effort to move them or not. It needs to be significantly better to make it worthwhile.
Trust me. The switch is effortless. And in some indefinable way the Groups.io list is intuitive and transparent. It¡¯s just less bother and fuss.

People have volunteered that it is ¡°smoother¡± and less in your face. Visually it¡¯s clean design.

Sharon
----
Sharon Villines
[email protected]


Re: Problems with Women Writers through the Ages @ Yahoo

 

I've done that and still get people trying to join the old group. Guess they can't read the we've moved message on the Yahoo page.

I just send an invitation from the new group and follow that up with a personal email explaining the move.

Donald


On November 23, 2017 3:45:43 AM "Cecil Bayona" <cecil.bayona@...> wrote:

Simple enough on the old group you can turn off the ability for persons
to post messages, and one can change the groups page to inform users
that the group has move and the appropriate links.

--
Cecil - k5nwa

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