On 18 Nov 2019 16:20, Dakotta Alex wrote:

I see the premium version has the unlimited groups - when I migrate the groups over (can they be listed as subgroups) or do I need to do something special to have them all subgroups?

The process of transferring individual Yahoogroup can be quite time-consuming for the owner of those groups. The transfer itself is often quite quick, but you still need to set up groups, and you need to perform several of the intermediary transfer steps manually.

If your groups are all quite small and have only a few members each, it may be quicker for you to simply start from scratch at Groups.io, and then invite the existing members.

If you sign up for "premium" on a monthly basis, you can use all the premium features that make it easier to set up your subgroups, and then cancel your premium membership when the subgroups are all set up.

I see 30 groups of yours here:


Those are all "recruiters" lists, so I imagine it could make sense to have them all in one group with subgroups.

In addition, it would seem that the content posted on those lists is only useful for a short period of time, so it's not necessary that you have an archive of old messages available. Therefore, it may be no problem for you to simply continue to use Yahoogroups, even if old messages will no longer be stored on the server, and even though you'd have to store files using a third-party service.

Samuel

On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 10:45 AM, J Forster wrote:

It matters because I don't know if a picture really belongs to a co-owner or a third person when trying to straighten out attributions.

I'm sure you will figure it out.

Thankfully, in a couple more weeks, there will be no more Yahoo Group transfers. Maybe then we can all get a good night's sleep.

If all Owners have same powers, then one Owner can unmake another Owner, and hijack the group. This is not theoretical. Been there.

This is true. If you don't trust someone, don't make him a co-owner.

Bruce

On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 09:45 AM, J Forster wrote:

If all Owners have same powers, then one Owner can unmake another Owner, and hijack the group.

Yep.? That's why the selection of a co-owner is very important.? It can also be done by a moderator that is given the "Set Moderator Privileges" permission (promote themselves, remove the original owner.)

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I've now changed the name of my group and created a sub-group from it.

All the messages that were in the former group are missing and I am the only member of the sub-group. I thought the the former main group would move to the new sub-group auto-magically. What did I do wrong and is it recoverable . . .please.

Eric

When we did our transfer, we ended up with messages and files from our main group moved into a subgroup.? The main group is members.. everyone is a member.? The sub group is membership and is a committee that vets members to make sure they are people that should be in the membership (we are a non-profit and require a donation to be in the communications area).? So, members can no longer access messages or files that were in the yahoo group for them.? I can see how the mistake was made but cannot get any answer as to how to rectify it.? We did NOT move anything from membership over as the person who had originally started that particular committee yahoo group has since died and no one could give moderator status to move it, so everything that is the membership group should go back to the members group.

Are there still files that were pulled from yahoo that could be reloaded to the members group and just delete all of the old things from membership?? What can I do to facilitate this?

On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 09:31 AM, J Forster wrote:

In each case, the orphan photos on Yahoo were attributed to the co-owner, not me, after the transfer.

I suspect that it's the last one to join the group.? Take a look at Admin > Members, Moderators.? The names listed there default to the reverse order that they joined the group, so the most recent is at the top.? Most groups haven't run into this because they only had one owner when the transfer was done.

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It matters because I don't know if a picture really belongs to a co-owner or a third person when trying to straighten out attributions.

If all Owners have same powers, then one Owner can unmake another Owner, and hijack the group. This is not theoretical. Been there.

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On 18 Nov 2019 16:20, Dakotta Alex wrote:

I see the premium version has the unlimited groups - when I migrate the groups over (can they be listed as subgroups) or do I need to do something special to have them all subgroups?

Remember, all members of a subgroup will also be members of the main group. You can prevent members of one subgroup from accessing the content of another subgroup, but all members of all subgroups can access all the content in the main group.

For this reason, if you're planning on transferring unrelated groups into a single group with subgroups, it's a good idea to first create a "general" (or "dummy") main group which you set up so that no members are allowed to post, and to then create the individual subgroups, and then transfer the Yahoogroups groups into the respective subgroups one by one.

I myself have no opinion on whether this is a good idea, but the majority of senior members here seem to think it's not.

How many groups do you have?

Samuel

On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 10:31 AM, J Forster wrote:

I am the founder and first member, hence Owner,? of four destination group on Groups.io. I later appointed another person a co-Owner of each (before the transfer).
All transfers from Yahoo were set up and initiated by me.

In each case, the orphan photos on Yahoo were attributed to the co-owner, not me, after the transfer.

I just checked three other of my groups and exactly the same thing has happened in all of them.

Alphabetical, then? I'm really struggling to understand why this matters.

Is there some kind of pecking order among group owners?

No. All Owners have the same powers.

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Bruce

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Gerald,

I am the founder and first member, hence Owner,? of four destination group on Groups.io. I later appointed another person a co-Owner of each (before the transfer).
All transfers from Yahoo were set up and initiated by me.

In each case, the orphan photos on Yahoo were attributed to the co-owner, not me, after the transfer.

I just checked three other of my groups and exactly the same thing has happened in all of them.

Is there some kind of pecking order among group owners?

Hence the query.

-John

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On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 10:23 AM, Dakotta Alex wrote:

I see the premium version has the unlimited groups - when I migrate the groups over (can they be listed as subgroups) or do I need to do something special to have them all subgroups?

See?/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Why-use-a-Subgroup

Transferring multiple unrelated groups as subgroups of one paid group is NOT RECOMMENDED, unless you really enjoy experiencing problems with member management, cross-posting, and general subscriber confusion.

Bruce

On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 10:40 AM, Duane wrote:

It's when people used the # to represent the word number that this will happen.

Maybe we need to put in a wish for disallowing any hashtag starting with a character between 0 and 9.
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On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 10:29 AM, J Forster wrote:

It's not the Owner who requested the transfer, or who founded the group.

John,
?I am not sure why you are saying this. It is also not fully clear as to which Owner / Group you are referring to i both parts of your statement. However, at least in some circumstances, I can assure you that your statement is not correct.

In the group that I transferred, I was a Moderator with enough privileges in the Yahoo group to invite the GIO Transfer user to do the transfer. I was also the Owner of the destination GIO group and, in fact, the only member at the time the transfer took place.

As I had expected, all photos originally uploaded by members that were no longer in the Yahoo group were assigned to my Owner account. There was nothing random about that.
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On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 08:16 AM, Bruce Bowman wrote:

On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 09:03 AM, Lee Jackson wrote:

I've got 90 little screwball hashtags that got created in the transfer from Yahoo groups. Is there a faster way to edit the topics to remove them without killing the messages?

Lee -- If you delete the hashtags they will also be removed from associated topics.

I'd use some caution here though.? If the topic title was "where do I find the #37856 part for my widget?" it would be changed to "where do I find the part for my widget?"? It's when people used the # to represent the word number that this will happen.

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Can someone explain why the number of members shown on the home page of my group is always higher than the number of members shown when I drill down to Members under the Admin tab? ?For example, on the Home page it says 321 members. ?When I go to Admin, then select Members, there are 288 names. ?Why are these numbers different?
thanks for the help.