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On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 02:53 PM, Bruce Bowman wrote:

On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 08:51 AM, Isidro Berniol wrote:

I hope that groups.io will do a good job in monitoring blacklisting and removing from the blacklists.

Isidro -- Groups.io did not put themselves on a blacklist. It is often more effective to complain to your own provider. You are, after all, paying them good money to deliver desired messages to your inbox.

That's clear to me. The mentioned blacklist operates, like many others, with spam traps. And as soon as the blacklisting is triggered mostly only the owner can try to whitlist again.
This has nothing to do with my provider, because he is doing hopefully the job right. OK, I'm my own email provider.? ;-) I have excluded now the groups.io smtp server from blacklisting check on my servers.
But this is only a solution for me and my customers, not for all the other users that have the usal email providers that use also the common blacklisting pools.

I know, it is? a lot of work to check the blacklists regulary, but groups.io has to do that and also check in the mail logs why they were blacklisted.
We have to do that also on our servers on regular basis, that's normal work if you provide email services.

The reputation of your email server is good, according to talos, but blacklistchecking is essential.

Isidro

I just figure they are clearing my clutter for me,

On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 10:08 AM, Cassius Julianus wrote:

1. Is paying $20 a month for a year going to get my group transferred, or not?

Cassius -- No...you cannot use the Easy Group Transfer process on the Premium Monthly plan.

I'm paying the same money...

Premium Yearly involves a full-year commitment, while Premium Monthly permits you to revert to Basic after one month. So it's really not even close the same thing.

2. If I have to pay the $220 up front to get my group changed over, what do I do now? I can't find any page that shows what I've paid, or any way to change from $20 month to pay the full $220.00 .?

Go back to the same page (Admin>Billing), select the Premium Yearly option, and go through the checkout process again.

Regards,
Bruce

ok, ?we have completed all transfers and 20 years of history and dialogue are here and functioning. Just want to offer deepest thanks for the skill and professionalism of what is happening.?

We we endured all those years of incompetence and arrogance at yahoo because there didn’t seem to be a way out. ?You have taken the original vision of community and made it work.

good job

kathleen

Hi all,

I understand that you need to have a premium $220 subscription in order to fully transfer a Yahoo Group to Groups.io

In the payment plans there is an option to pay $20 monthly. I chose that for my group, and then after making the payment I see that you have to *pay in full for the year* in order to get your group transferred.?? So, questions:

1. Is paying $20 a month for a year going to get my group transferred, or not? I'm paying the same money...

2. If I have to pay the $220 up front to get my group changed over, what do I do now? I can't find any page that shows what I've paid, or any way to change from $20 month to pay the full $220.00 .?

I would appreciate any info, and links to the appropriate pages if I need them. Thank you! :)

On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 02:58 PM, Duane wrote:

If you send an invitation from the subgroup for those people to join it, everything should work smoothly.? If not, it should be reported to support.

There has been a lot of discussion about the 'join flow' for subgroups on the beta group and it has been tweaked several times, but seems to still have glitches.? A decent work around is to have them join the main group, then you can Direct Add them to the subgroup.? Or they can just join the subgroup on their own if it's not set to Restricted.

And that is the problem. Yes I could direct add them to the subgroup if I would know what subgroup they like to join.
But when someone is using the join button on a subgroup the join request will be listed on the main group. That means I don't have aclue to what subgroup the person like to be added.
In the moment I have to write every person that like to join a email to what subgroup they like to be added. This means I have to do this process by hand for each person that like to subscribe.

Duane

Isidro

On 11 Nov 2019 15:48, Duane wrote:

On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 08:45 AM, Samuel Murray wrote:
But... they are not added to the parent group "as well".
If you Invite them to the subgroup,...

My apologies -- in my test, the user was not invited. The user tried to join the subgroup without being invited.

Samuel

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Exactly.? Our owner went missing back in 2009.? All the settings were then locked int an auto-pilot mode.?? Our moderator for 11 years tried to ask Yahoo to turn the group over to him, but to no avail.? We believe the owner actually DIED.
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Now the story gets even worse!? Our groups is the 2nd largest tractor membership on Yahoo.? JD only beats us out.? But there are 4 other related groups as well, created by our SAME owner!? Thus, we are now transferring all 5 groups over into 1 larger one.
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Wild, eh?? PGOffline has been the useful tool getting all of this data to one place, reviewed, structured and then ready to upload into Groups.io.?
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We are very pleased with the PG4 folks.? It's helped a great deal.? To do the regular Groups.io transfer would have been crazy for all the groups into one and the cost burden too.? Then the complications with not just the transfer, but the merging too.?
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Other than our group over there, 2 of the others are on full auto-pilot because the mods left a long while back too.

SOOOOOOOO,? YES, it's good to have the ability to transfer ownership or allow a mod to step up and take over when the time for a change of guard happens.?

-Bret

On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 08:45 AM, Samuel Murray wrote:

But... they are not added to the parent group "as well".

If you Invite them to the subgroup, it does indeed add them to the main group if they accept the invitation.? If you're seeing otherwise, something is wrong and you may need to contact support.? Attempting to join the subgroup without being a member of the main/parent group follows a different path.

Duane
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On 11 Nov 2019 15:30, Frances wrote:

* As of Feb 2019, you can now invite someone to join a subgroup (they
will be added to the parent as well if they accept).

But... they are not added to the parent group "as well". They are added to the parent group only. Which is confusing.

In addition, the way subgroups are listed in the list of groups creates the impression that the main group is also a subgroup. So then it looks like they joined the wrong subgroup :-)

Samuel

Mister Andersen, you are right.

• Members of subgroups must be members of the main group.
• Members of main groups are not necessarily members of a subgroup.?
• As of Feb 2019, you can now invite someone to join a subgroup (they will be added to the parent as well if they accept).
• Members of the main (parent) group can be direct-added to a subgroup. This is true even in a Basic / Free group as long as they are already a member of the main group.
  
  see: ?/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Subgroups

Frances
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I thought membership of the core group was a mandatory precondition of joining a subgroup?

Not the least bit unexpectedly, that has started the train of those wanting to be excluded from future mailings.

But the very first message was all of 2 minutes after I got notification of the successful migration, to the effect of “Keep it coming!”

If people are feeling overwhelmed by too many messages, suggest they change their subscription to Advanced Preferences - get the first in any thread only. Use the email footer to Follow any that seem interesting to them. Plus you automatically follow any threads you yourself start.

Frances
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Hi

If I were you, I would edit your home page.?

For example, you don’t need this:
New members will be moderated initially but will receive full group status after their first post is approved.

That could be in your welcome letter. Plus the group settings show on your home page.?

Or this - you are interested in becoming a SCARS member, we invite you to apply for membership at our website listed in the Group Information listed below.

There is a join button below. ?
But do keep your group initials if that is well known.?

Also only part is carried over to the directory ?Put the most important first.?

Good luck in growing your group!

Frances

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On Sun, Nov 10, 2019 at 12:00 PM, Yusuf Leo Schuman wrote:

I've sent a link out to https://[list-name].groups.io/g/[sub-group-name]? for people who are not yet groups.io members to join a sub-group.

If you send an invitation from the subgroup for those people to join it, everything should work smoothly.? If not, it should be reported to support.

There has been a lot of discussion about the 'join flow' for subgroups on the beta group and it has been tweaked several times, but seems to still have glitches.? A decent work around is to have them join the main group, then you can Direct Add them to the subgroup.? Or they can just join the subgroup on their own if it's not set to Restricted.

Duane
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On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 08:51 AM, Isidro Berniol wrote:

I hope that groups.io will do a good job in monitoring blacklisting and removing from the blacklists.

Isidro -- Groups.io did not put themselves on a blacklist. It is often more effective to complain to your own provider. You are, after all, paying them good money to deliver desired messages to your inbox.

Regards,
Bruce

Hallo,

Same experience.

That's the reason why I now opend most of my subgroups so that the users can join wdirectly without further restrictions.
For me it is OK that way. The non-members can send a join request and if they are members of the main group I trust them if they are not they have to follow the subscription process of the main group.

Also I set every new member to moderated for the first message.? This should prevent to be intruded by spammers.

But yes, it would be nice if there where a better subscription processing for the subgroups. I would love to have the possibility to use a matrix to configure what member of what subgroup has what joinig right to what other subgroup.
That would make the process much more better. If then someone is member of a very well controlled subgroup you could configure higher rights to join other subgroups and so on...

Also a better working notification processing for the subscription process would be very helpfull.

At the moment I don't get any emails because the groups.io email server is blacklisted again :-(

Regards,

Isidro

Hi Duane,

thank you for your response. Yes I reported that also to [email protected]

So they are maybe lost.

I hope that groups.io will do a good job in monitoring blacklisting and removing from the blacklists.

Thank you,

Isidro

On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 07:15 AM, Isidro Berniol wrote:

Could you please check that out and whitelist your smtp server?

You'll need to contact [email protected] about this.

And can I see the messages online that were send to owner ?

If it's from a member, you go to that member's record and choose Owner Messages at the top.? If it's from a non-member, then no.
You can check your Activity log to see who sent it.

Duane
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