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Re: Why no Links Footers?

 

Thanks, Shal... I found the problem. The footers are present in emails on the server, so it is the email client software that is stripping them. In this case Thunderbird.

FWIW, here is the problem/solution: If Thunderbird is set to "View/Message Body As/Plain Text" the footers + links are sometimes not visible. I suppose the "sometimes" depends on whether the original message was sent as plain text or html (but haven't tested this).

Anyhow, if Thunderbird users (perhaps other software) is not seeing the footers the answer is to set Thunderbird to either:

View/Message Body As/Simple HTML
or
View/Message Body As/Original HTML.

Drew
Re: Why no Links Footers?

 

Drew,

Oh, wait a minute... the Delivered-To header is the clue. The emails
without footers have the following header:
"Delivered-To: mailing list [email protected]"
The emails with the footer appear like this:
"Delivered-To: me@..."
Probably not. I'm betting that each message has two Delivered-To: fields in the header, one citing your address near the top, and one citing the group address much further down.

I think you must be receiving these messages in an email interface which is displaying only the text/plain parts of messages. The ones where you see footers are messages that were originally text/plain; the ones where you don't are messages that were originally formatted (text/HTML). The footer links are shown in the formatted part of the message only.

It took me a while to remember it, but this is an old bug which apparently hasn't been fixed, and is apparently considered very low priority.


You could try raising the issue again in beta@ to see if you can shame Mark into fixing it.

Or, you could set your group to Plain Text Only.

Shal
Re: Why no Links Footers?

 

Oh, wait a minute... the Delivered-To header is the clue. The emails without footers have the following header:

"Delivered-To: mailing list [email protected]"

The emails with the footer appear like this:

"Delivered-To: me@..."

These are received by me at an email account that has no association with my owner/moderator status. Also, the footer-less msgs are not necessarily sent by other owners/moderators as I had previously assumed.


Drew
Re: Why no Links Footers?

 

Thanks, Shal-

No, they were sent directly to my group's email address according to the To: headers. Also the "Delivered-To" header says "mailing list [email protected]".

Drew
Re: Why no Links Footers?

 

Yes, Duane- I meant the messages that I receive via email. For the most part they do not have any footers. And looking at the headers indicates they were sent directly to our group email address: [email protected]

Drew
Re: Why no Links Footers?

 

On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 05:38 pm, Drew AF2Z wrote:


Shouldn't all email to the group have these included?
I can't tell for sure from your description if you're aware of it, but the footers won't show up online, only in posts received via email.

Duane
Re: Why no Links Footers?

 

Drew,

... some of the messages being posted by members do not have link
footers such as "Change Your Subscription", "Mute Topic", etc. No
link/footer at all. Shouldn't all email to the group have these
included?
Correct, all messages received as individual email (not digest) should have those footers - no matter who sent or received them.

Is it possible that the messages you are receiving without footers were sent directly to you (your email address) or to the group's +owner address rather than posted in the group? I'm not sure how that would happen if these are replies to group postings and the group is set to "reply to Group", but those are about the only ways I can think of that the messages might get to you without footers.

Shal
Why no Links Footers?

 

We just had our Yahoo group transferred today, some 3500 members. It seems to have gone pretty well but some of the messages being posted by members do not have link footers such as "Change Your Subscription", "Mute Topic", etc. No link/footer at all. Shouldn't all email to the group have these included? It seems only owners/moderators' emails have the footers; but I'm not quite sure yet...

Drew
Locked Re: Group Managers Forum subscription reminder, Fri, 9/1/17 #admin #cal-reminder

 

Frances,

I believe the attached reminder is a calendar-generated reminder
notice.
Correct.

How did you create mailto links for the last bullet in the first
paragraph? We would like that too.
Using the Link tool from the formatting toolbar.

In the Url box put "mailto:" followed by the email address. These work the same as web links, but use mailto: followed by an email address instead of instead of https: followed by a web address.

This is generic, not specific to Groups.io. Anywhere you're allowed to insert a link you are probably able to make it a mailto if that's what you need.

Shal
Locked Re: Group Managers Forum subscription reminder, Fri, 9/1/17 #admin #cal-reminder

 

On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 02:54 am, Frances wrote:


Oddly there are no tools for editing a calendar event
If you have the proper permissions (and you should as an owner):
1. Go to the calendar page
2. Click on the event that is wrong
3. Event opens in a new window/page
4. Scroll to the bottom of the event and click on Edit Event
5. Event editor opens in a new window/page
6. Edit the information for the event
7. Click Update Event at the bottom of the page

Duane
Locked Re: Group Managers Forum subscription reminder, Fri, 9/1/17 #admin #cal-reminder

 

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Hi again,

Oddly there are no tools for editing a calendar event, but there are for creating a new one. I guess we have to do a new one? Seems like an oversight to me. Unless it is because I didn¡¯t create it? I was a moderator when it was created and now a co-owner.

Frances

On Sep 3 17, at 7:51 AM, Frances <travel@...> wrote:

Hi Shal, David, Duane,

I believe the attached reminder is a calendar-generated reminder notice.?

How did you create mailto links for the last bullet in the first paragraph? We would like that too. I don¡¯t see any tools when I click on Edit Event.?

I did not create the notice - Linda did, but we would like to make the email addresses generate a notice.

Thanks!

Frances
Locked Re: Group Managers Forum subscription reminder, Fri, 9/1/17 #admin #cal-reminder

 

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Hi Shal, David, Duane,

I believe the attached reminder is a calendar-generated reminder notice.?

How did you create mailto links for the last bullet in the first paragraph? We would like that too. I don¡¯t see any tools when I click on Edit Event.?

I did not create the notice - Linda did, but we would like to make the email addresses generate a notice.

Thanks!

Frances

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Re: Picture not appearing

 

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>> Good catch. I didn't think to ask Noel if she was looking at
>>?the source as posted in the group, or as received in email.
>
> No, its not that. I was looking at the received email.
>
> I'm sure it is that somehow the message had a link to drafts
>?for the photo so only the owner had access.
>
> The message was composed online, and he says he believes
>?he did it in exactly the same way as half a dozen similar
>?messages sent in the previous week that worked ok.
>
> Noel
?
As a clarification, the individual file size limits are set by the recipient (in Membership>Advanced Preferences>Max Attachment Size), so the different results would only show up in individuals'?received mail. For example, a post might contain a 5 Mb image, and one recipient with no file size limitation will get the imbedded image, while someone with a?file size threshold less than 5 Mb?will only see a link.
?
As I recall, there is also?a separate setting for the maximum size that can be set to the group, but that's not what I was referring to. Have you compared the size of the attachments that were converted to links to the size of the attachments that went through embedded? These would need to be compared to the individuals' settings to see if the file transmission or link insertion?was in accordance with each individual's settings.
?
Dano
Re: Picture not appearing

 

Noel,

I'm sure it is that somehow the message had a link to drafts for the
photo so only the owner had access.
Possibly.

I failed to recreate the problem in my test group - the photo I pasted into the message did show up on the group's Message page even though I had saved the message as a draft and re-opened it before sending.

However given that the message was created using Groups.io's site and then failed to display correctly on Groups.io's site this sounds like an incident that should be reported to [email protected] - include the group name and message number in the report.

The message was composed online, and he says he believes he did it in
exactly the same way as half a dozen similar messages sent in the
previous week that worked ok.
I'm at a loss to explain it. Possibly something changed in the site that caused this, or possibly the member's belief, though sincere, is incorrect and there is some subtle factor at work that none of us have yet imagined.

There are some aspects of my test results that seem wrong to me, so I'll likely report those myself. But since I didn't reproduce the symptom you described my concerns may not be relevant to whatever happened to that message in your group.

Shal
Re: Picture not appearing

 

> Good catch. I didn't think to ask Noel if she was looking at the source
as posted in the group, or as received in email.

No, its not that. I was looking at the received email.

I'm sure it is that somehow the message had a link to drafts for the photo so only the owner had access.

The message was composed online, and he says he believes he did it in exactly the same way as half a dozen similar messages sent in the previous week that worked ok.

Noel
Re: Picture not appearing

 

Dano,

Could this be caused by different members having different size limits
for attachments they will accept in messages?
Good catch. I didn't think to ask Noel if she was looking at the source as posted in the group, or as received in email.

It seems like someone with 'unlimited' might well get a message while
someone with a limit of 100 Kb would get a link.
Or the same person may get the attachment for smaller photos, but a link for larger ones.

That said, even if the person gets a link the link ought to work!

That is, it should take no more than allowing the email interface to display remote images in this message to have the picture appear. In my email interfaces (Thunderbird, Gmail web, Gmail mobile) that's one click.

Shal
Re: Are comments in the Subscribe email not passed to owner?

 

Ok, thanks. I'll keep watch there.

Drew

On 09/02/17 11:39, Duane wrote:
There's a major revision of the notifications and interaction planned, but no projected implementation date. I think Mark will ask for additional input on the beta group when he's ready to tackle this.
Duane
Re: Are comments in the Subscribe email not passed to owner?

 

There's a major revision of the notifications and interaction planned, but no projected implementation date. I think Mark will ask for additional input on the beta group when he's ready to tackle this.

Duane
Re: Are comments in the Subscribe email not passed to owner?

 

Thanks. I suppose that will work but if there are multiple pending subscribers it will be very inconvenient to try and match up the submitted info with the individual pending subscribers. At least, I don't see anywhere (either in email to owner or on the admin page) where the required info from the pending subscriber is displayed alongside a button or link for the owner to "Approve" them.

My suggestion is to quote any comments made in the pending subscriber's Subscribe email and pass these to the owner in the "Subscription Approval Needed" email. It is then a simple matter for the owner to see the subscriber info/comment and hit "reply" to approve. (This may be one of the few things that Yahoo Groups got right...)

Drew
Re: Are comments in the Subscribe email not passed to owner?

J_Catlady
 

No, no content from the subscribe email goes to anyone.?

If you want content from a pending member in order to approve their membership, or just to have on file, you need to create a Pending Member notice (see Settings --> Member Notices), which goes out automatically when someone requests membership in your group. You can use it to ask questions. If the pending member responds to the email, the response becomes a record in their "+owner messages" page.?

Two caveats: (1) you can only do this if your group is "restricted" (membership requires approval), and (2) in my group, the pending member notice goes into a black hole about 1 time in 5 or 10 (it's not even in their spam folder) and I have to contact the member via a personal email anyway.

J

On Sat, Sep 2, 2017 at 4:09 AM, Drew AF2Z <pubx1@...> wrote:
It seems that when someone includes comments in their Subscribe email these comments are not passed to the owner. Is this the case? Or have I missed something. We would like to require new subscribers to include comments/info as part of the approval process. Ideally these would be passed to the owner in the "Subscription Approval Needed" email to the owner.

Drew
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