Re: Group Managers Forum subscription reminder, Fri, 9/1/17 #admin #cal-reminder

#2245

On Mon, Sep  4, 2017 at 02:54 am, Frances wrote:


Oddly there are no tools for editing a calendar event
If you have the proper permissions (and you should as an owner):
1.  Go to the calendar page
2.  Click on the event that is wrong
3.  Event opens in a new window/page
4.  Scroll to the bottom of the event and click on Edit Event
5.  Event editor opens in a new window/page
6.  Edit the information for the event
7.  Click Update Event at the bottom of the page

Duane

Re: Group Managers Forum subscription reminder, Fri, 9/1/17 #admin #cal-reminder

#2244

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Hi again,

Oddly there are no tools for editing a calendar event, but there are for creating a new one. I guess we have to do a new one? Seems like an oversight to me. Unless it is because I didn’t create it? I was a moderator when it was created and now a co-owner.

Frances

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On Sep 3 17, at 7:51 AM, Frances <travel@...> wrote:

Hi Shal, David, Duane,

I believe the attached reminder is a calendar-generated reminder notice.?

How did you create mailto links for the last bullet in the first paragraph? We would like that too. I don’t see any tools when I click on Edit Event.?

I did not create the notice - Linda did, but we would like to make the email addresses generate a notice.

Thanks!

Frances

Re: Group Managers Forum subscription reminder, Fri, 9/1/17 #admin #cal-reminder

#2243

开云体育

Hi Shal, David, Duane,

I believe the attached reminder is a calendar-generated reminder notice.?

How did you create mailto links for the last bullet in the first paragraph? We would like that too. I don’t see any tools when I click on Edit Event.?

I did not create the notice - Linda did, but we would like to make the email addresses generate a notice.

Thanks!

Frances

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On Sep 1 17, at 2:59 AM, [email protected] Calendar <[email protected]> wrote:

Reminder:
Group Managers Forum subscription reminder
When:
Friday, 1 September 2017
Description:

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Re: Picture not appearing

#2242

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>> Good catch. I didn't think to ask Noel if she was looking at

>>?the source as posted in the group, or as received in email.

>

> No, its not that. I was looking at the received email.

>

> I'm sure it is that somehow the message had a link to drafts

>?for the photo so only the owner had access.

>

> The message was composed online, and he says he believes

>?he did it in exactly the same way as half a dozen similar

>?messages sent in the previous week that worked ok.

>

> Noel

?

As a clarification, the individual file size limits are set by the recipient (in Membership>Advanced Preferences>Max Attachment Size), so the different results would only show up in individuals'?received mail. For example, a post might contain a 5 Mb image, and one recipient with no file size limitation will get the imbedded image, while someone with a?file size threshold less than 5 Mb?will only see a link.

?

As I recall, there is also?a separate setting for the maximum size that can be set to the group, but that's not what I was referring to. Have you compared the size of the attachments that were converted to links to the size of the attachments that went through embedded? These would need to be compared to the individuals' settings to see if the file transmission or link insertion?was in accordance with each individual's settings.

?

Dano

Re: Picture not appearing

#2241

Noel,

I'm sure it is that somehow the message had a link to drafts for the
photo so only the owner had access.Possibly.

I failed to recreate the problem in my test group - the photo I pasted into the message did show up on the group's Message page even though I had saved the message as a draft and re-opened it before sending.

However given that the message was created using Groups.io's site and then failed to display correctly on Groups.io's site this sounds like an incident that should be reported to [email protected] - include the group name and message number in the report.

The message was composed online, and he says he believes he did it in
exactly the same way as half a dozen similar messages sent in the
previous week that worked ok.I'm at a loss to explain it. Possibly something changed in the site that caused this, or possibly the member's belief, though sincere, is incorrect and there is some subtle factor at work that none of us have yet imagined.

There are some aspects of my test results that seem wrong to me, so I'll likely report those myself. But since I didn't reproduce the symptom you described my concerns may not be relevant to whatever happened to that message in your group.

Shal

Re: Picture not appearing

#2240

> Good catch. I didn't think to ask Noel if she was looking at the source
as posted in the group, or as received in email.

No, its not that. I was looking at the received email.

I'm sure it is that somehow the message had a link to drafts for the photo so only the owner had access.

The message was composed online, and he says he believes he did it in exactly the same way as half a dozen similar messages sent in the previous week that worked ok.

Noel

Re: Picture not appearing

#2239

Dano,

Could this be caused by different members having different size limits
for attachments they will accept in messages?Good catch. I didn't think to ask Noel if she was looking at the source as posted in the group, or as received in email.

It seems like someone with 'unlimited' might well get a message while
someone with a limit of 100 Kb would get a link.Or the same person may get the attachment for smaller photos, but a link for larger ones.

That said, even if the person gets a link the link ought to work!

That is, it should take no more than allowing the email interface to display remote images in this message to have the picture appear. In my email interfaces (Thunderbird, Gmail web, Gmail mobile) that's one click.

Shal

Re: Are comments in the Subscribe email not passed to owner?

#2238

Ok, thanks. I'll keep watch there.

Drew

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On 09/02/17 11:39, Duane wrote:
There's a major revision of the notifications and interaction planned, but no projected implementation date.  I think Mark will ask for additional input on the beta group when he's ready to tackle this.
Duane

Re: Are comments in the Subscribe email not passed to owner?

#2237

There's a major revision of the notifications and interaction planned, but no projected implementation date.  I think Mark will ask for additional input on the beta group when he's ready to tackle this.

Duane

Re: Are comments in the Subscribe email not passed to owner?

#2236

Thanks. I suppose that will work but if there are multiple pending subscribers it will be very inconvenient to try and match up the submitted info with the individual pending subscribers. At least, I don't see anywhere (either in email to owner or on the admin page) where the required info from the pending subscriber is displayed alongside a button or link for the owner to "Approve" them.

My suggestion is to quote any comments made in the pending subscriber's Subscribe email and pass these to the owner in the "Subscription Approval Needed" email. It is then a simple matter for the owner to see the subscriber info/comment and hit "reply" to approve. (This may be one of the few things that Yahoo Groups got right...)

Drew

Re: Are comments in the Subscribe email not passed to owner?

J_Catlady

#2235

No, no content from the subscribe email goes to anyone.?

If you want content from a pending member in order to approve their membership, or just to have on file, you need to create a Pending Member notice (see Settings --> Member Notices), which goes out automatically when someone requests membership in your group. You can use it to ask questions. If the pending member responds to the email, the response becomes a record in their "+owner messages" page.?

Two caveats: (1) you can only do this if your group is "restricted" (membership requires approval), and (2) in my group, the pending member notice goes into a black hole about 1 time in 5 or 10 (it's not even in their spam folder) and I have to contact the member via a personal email anyway.

J

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On Sat, Sep 2, 2017 at 4:09 AM, Drew AF2Z <pubx1@...> wrote:

It seems that when someone includes comments in their Subscribe email these comments are not passed to the owner. Is this the case? Or have I missed something. We would like to require new subscribers to include comments/info as part of the approval process. Ideally these would be passed to the owner in the "Subscription Approval Needed" email to the owner.

Drew

Are comments in the Subscribe email not passed to owner?

#2234

It seems that when someone includes comments in their Subscribe email these comments are not passed to the owner. Is this the case? Or have I missed something. We would like to require new subscribers to include comments/info as part of the approval process. Ideally these would be passed to the owner in the "Subscription Approval Needed" email to the owner.

Drew

Re: Picture not appearing

#2233

Shal -
Could this be caused by different members having different size limits for attachments they will accept in messages? It seems like someone with 'unlimited' might well get a message while someone with a limit of 100 Kb would get a link. Not knowing the size of the attachment or the personal limits each member has set, this is only a supposition.

Dano

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----- Original Message -----
Noel,

Looking at the source of the emails, the faulty one has the picture
as
src="/g/ngauge/draftattachment/442690/0/DSC_3238.JPG"The https: there means that the image is not contained in the message - 
the receiving system must go fetch it from the named web site.

While for a previous post that did work it is:
src="cid:[email protected]"The cid: there means that the image is contained in an attachment to the 
message. Further down in that view source you'll encounter a (possibly 
large) block of encoded data which is the image file itself, likely 
base64 encoded, and delimited by that marker you see after "cid:"

So the claim "done in exactly the same way" is cast in some doubt.

Oddly he says he can see the picture fine in the posting he received,
but nobody else can.That could be explained if he is a member of the "ngauge" group and the 
rest of you aren't. Or may be explained by the "draftattachment" part of 
the URL, implying that the image is in a part of the site (his draft 
messages) that only he can access.

Is it a bug ?Maybe.

You didn't say whether he composes his messages using the group's site 
or via his email user interface.

The "draftattachment" part of the URL suggests to me that he composed 
the message on the group's site. If that is the case then I'm not sure 
how or why the site would choose to reference the image file remotely 
(https) rather than include it as a message attachment (cid). Possibly 
that is a bug with the Draft mechanism in Groups.io.

If he composed the message in question using an email interface, then he 
may have inadvertently done a drag-n-drop from the image in a Draft he 
was composing for the ngauge group, and then failed to override the 
email interface's default of using https for images dropped from web 
sites. In this case the difference between this message and his others 
could be simply that this time the image he used wasn't on his computer, 
but in Groups.io's servers.

Shal

Re: Picture not appearing

#2232

> That could be explained if he is a member of the "ngauge" group and the rest of you aren't

No, not that, we are all members.

I'm meeting him this afternoon so I'll try and find exactly what he did.

Noel

Re: Picture not appearing

#2231

Noel,

Looking at the source of the emails, the faulty one has the picture
as
src="/g/ngauge/draftattachment/442690/0/DSC_3238.JPG"The https: there means that the image is not contained in the message - the receiving system must go fetch it from the named web site.

While for a previous post that did work it is:
src="cid:[email protected]"The cid: there means that the image is contained in an attachment to the message. Further down in that view source you'll encounter a (possibly large) block of encoded data which is the image file itself, likely base64 encoded, and delimited by that marker you see after "cid:"

So the claim "done in exactly the same way" is cast in some doubt.

Oddly he says he can see the picture fine in the posting he received,
but nobody else can.That could be explained if he is a member of the "ngauge" group and the rest of you aren't. Or may be explained by the "draftattachment" part of the URL, implying that the image is in a part of the site (his draft messages) that only he can access.

Is it a bug ?Maybe.

You didn't say whether he composes his messages using the group's site or via his email user interface.

The "draftattachment" part of the URL suggests to me that he composed the message on the group's site. If that is the case then I'm not sure how or why the site would choose to reference the image file remotely (https) rather than include it as a message attachment (cid). Possibly that is a bug with the Draft mechanism in Groups.io.

If he composed the message in question using an email interface, then he may have inadvertently done a drag-n-drop from the image in a Draft he was composing for the ngauge group, and then failed to override the email interface's default of using https for images dropped from web sites. In this case the difference between this message and his others could be simply that this time the image he used wasn't on his computer, but in Groups.io's servers.

Shal

Picture not appearing

#2230

A member has made a number of posts with embedded pictures, which have worked OK. But his last posting, done in exactly the same way, does not display a picture, though the email I received does have a square box where it should be. There is nothing when viewed on the web side or in a digest.

Looking at the source of the emails, the faulty one has the picture as
src="/g/ngauge/draftattachment/442690/0/DSC_3238.JPG"

While for a previous post that did work it is:
src="cid:[email protected]"

So it looks to me like something went wrong on group.io and it has not been loaded correctly. 

Oddly he says he can see the picture fine in the posting he received, but nobody else can.

Is it a bug ?

Noel

Group Managers Forum subscription reminder, Fri, 9/1/17 #admin #cal-reminder

[email protected] Calendar

#2229

Reminder:
Group Managers Forum subscription reminder

When:
Friday, 1 September 2017

Description:

This is your monthly subscription reminder for the Group Managers Forum. We are glad you joined our group.

Our GMF Group's web resources are open and public. Our Messages archives and Wiki are viewable and searchable by non-members. GMF message archives are indexed by major search engines. Unfortunately, due to Groups.io restrictions, you must be a member of GMF and logged in to access our Files and Photos sections.
We expect members to post and act responsibly. Please respect your fellow members' time and attention: strive to be clear, concise and courteous. Our subject matter naturally includes matters of opinion; if you happen to disagree with another member please do so without being rude. Personal attacks are not allowed. Solicitations are off topic and will be deleted without comment. Listing your groups in your signature is perfectly acceptable, but just make sure there's also on-topic content in your post.
Attachments are allowed and the judicious use of screen shots and other illustrations is encouraged!
All messages sent to GMF are moderated. This is done to avoid malicious attachments, spam, off-topic messages, and messages from spoofed or compromised mail accounts. Despite these measures, be aware that the bad guys are clever so there's no guarantee that we'll always succeed; you are encouraged to be vigilant against any and all threats arriving via email. Your GMF moderators make no guarantees regarding the safety of emails arriving from this or any other Groups.io address.
We are always looking for suggestions from our members to make this group better for all. Feel free to address any questions, comments, or concerns directly to the group moderators via email to [email protected].

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We strive to be a resource of the highest quality for owners and moderators of Groups.io groups. We allow as much information as possible from our group to be accessed by visitors! Would you like to be a better Groups.io group owner and/or moderator? Would you like to see even more improvements in Groups.io groups? We discuss our experiences as both group owners and moderators, share ideas for promoting and customizing the content areas, and offer various techniques for managing groups.

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Re: European Date Format & 24hr Clock #calendar

#2228

Nice Shall! ?Thanks for that. ?I had no idea yyyy-mm-dd was the international standard. ?I wonder how the person who came up with it feels as so many never use it. ?Probably just has a permanent tear track under one eye.?

--
-LeeAnne

?Archivist

Re: European Date Format & 24hr Clock #calendar

#2227

,,, and, possibly more relevant (for web usage),?

And I've noticed looking at archived messages, that go from having a time (in correct zone), to month (three letter abbreviation) day, then to mm/dd/yy format...

Jeremy

Who will be happy with ISO 8601 dates, but is fascinated by the variety here

Re: European Date Format & 24hr Clock #calendar

#2226

Jack,

it's about time the World standardised YYYY/MM/DD.The world has has an international standard, ISO-8601: YYYY-MM-DD, but not everyone has gotten the memo.

I like this humorous take on it:

More details:

Shal