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Re: Apparently An Inconsistency When Searching Through Groups.io's Archive

Marcio
 

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Shal,
To a sighted user of Firefox, the Search button yields a pop-up that appears identical in those two cases. It has a text box to enter the search target, and two buttons: Search and Cancel. It also has a close (X) in the upper right corner.

I'm astounded that NVDA "sees" them as different.
Actually, NVDA sees it exactly like you said. The "unlabeled" button was being misinterpreted by me (misinterpretation cases will happen with me more than I'd ever like. LOL). It's the button which will open the menu with the "Moderate topic" option etc.. In my defence, it's indeed unlabeled :)

One possibility occurs to me. When navigating directly an URL ending in /messages page one sees the Messages view of the list. Near the top of that page is a bar that includes a menu for selecting your view, the Hashtags button, the Search button, a button with a funnel icon (expands a date selector), a search box for finding messages by number, the date order control, and the left-right buttons for previous and next page in the message list. NVDA's report of "MSG" makes me think you may have somehow clicked into search by number box (which does hint "Msg #" to the sighted) rather than into the search dialog proper.

By contrast, when one navigates starting at the home page and clicking the Messages button in the left column one may actually be taken to a page whose URL ends in /topics. This is the Topic view of the Messages list, and it lacks the search by message number box.
Well, that's what I was going to say :) it seems that /messages and /topics are different things, yet related to each other. I could've discovered it if I keep experimenting, but I was a bit nervous with this whole new situation so I haven't.

You may want to report your observations on beta as a suggestion that the NVDA rendering needs investigation and correction. Mark has been very receptive to fixing screen-reader issues.
Well, I guess the only thing that needs to be reported after it all is the unlabeled button on topics. Maybe I will post about it later on :)

Thank you so much for diving into this adventure with me. I'm really glad to know that this kind of question also will get attention here and with Mark. He seems to be such a nice guy, and same goes to y'all on this group!

Cheers,
AKA Starboy

Sent from a galaxy far, far away.
Failed to send invite to member

 

I set up a small group for a club a while ago, and have been sending invitations to remaining members of the club.

One invitation shows Status "Failed - 5.1.2".

What does this mean?

I had a couple of failures (due to typing errors) which were obvious and easily fixed, but this puzzles me. The email address is correct (from my Address Book) - I assume some kind of delivery error, but it is to bigpond.com - Australia's largest telco.
Groups.io site updates #changelog

 

Hi all,

This week's change log:



Feel free to reply to this topic if you'd like to comment on the
changes. Or better yet, if you expect a lot of discussion start a new
topic (or rejoin an existing one) about a specific change.


BUGFIX: We were not detecting quoted message parts from Outlook that
included a "Cc:" header line.
Glad I'm not the only one who sometimes codes head-scratchers like that one. How in the world does an error parsing a header line break detection of quoted material in the message body? A clue is that it was specific to Outlook, but also how could that be? No doubt this is another one where Mark would say "don't ask". Sometimes parsers go down a rabbit hole where you least expect one.


Comments about these are welcome:

NEW: Enterprise Settings screen for enterprise accounts to make
changes to their domain settings.
BUGFIX: The email address displayed when you edit an email integration
was incorrect. The email address displayed in the overall email
integration display is correct.
CHANGE: In certain messages, we cannot tell if a signature is part of
the original message or a part of the reply. We were displaying
these sigs, but that lead to some 'false positives'. So, we're no
longer displaying the sigs.
CHANGE: Event notification and cancellation emails now include the
Organizer name, if there is one.
INTERNAL: Cleanup of various javascript displaytime file versions
usage.
API: Implemented /chatdata endpoint for chats.
INTERNAL: Re-implemented much of the chat system to behave well with
API calls.
BUGFIX: We were not recording failed confirmation email results.
API: Changed is_subscribed field in the chat object to chat_sub.
API: Added show_closed parameter to the getchats endpoint.
CHANGE: Redid the Login With Google authentication system to hopefully
conform with their updated requirements.

Please call out any you find significant.

Shal


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Re: Problem Email Address

 

Don,

I¡¯ve noticed his address at the top of the email says:

[email protected]; on behalf of Joe Blow ... via Groups.Io
abcdesfghi@... ...
What is going on here.
That's a From address that has been rewritten to meet the requirements of DMARC (an anti-spoofing technology). This will happen with some members services (AOL, Yahoo Mail, etc) but not others (Gmail, cox.net, etc.).
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Their posts that list in Messages work fine, but not to me and some
others.
I'd guess that is probably not related to the From rewriting. If anything, that should make the message seem less "spammy" to a receiving service.

A few of our members that replied to his email have also gone into my
Spam folder, but one member that replied did not go into my Spam
folder.
That seems to me like a clue that your inbound spam filter is being triggered by something in the message, which may have been quoted in some of the replies. One thing to watch for are automatically inserted ads for the email interface and/or security software the member is using. Those and other links tend to end up on spam blacklists.

Shal


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Problem Email Address

 

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I¡¯m having this problem with one of our groups members (This is a new problem with this member), where his emails to the group are going into my Spam folder. A few of our members that replied to his email have also gone into my Spam folder, but one member that replied did not go into my Spam folder.

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I¡¯ve noticed his address at the top of the email says:

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[email protected]; on behalf of Joe Blow (Not the real name) via Groups.Io abcdesfghi@...> (abcdefghi not the real name). Their posts that list in Messages work fine, but not to me and some others. What is going on here.

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Don
Re: Apparently An Inconsistency When Searching Through Groups.io's Archive

 

Marcio,

Now here's the thing again. Doing this, it's possible to see the
"search" edit field, as it should be in the first place.
To a sighted user of Firefox, the Search button yields a pop-up that appears identical in those two cases. It has a text box to enter the search target, and two buttons: Search and Cancel. It also has a close (X) in the upper right corner.

I'm astounded that NVDA "sees" them as different.

a very strange edit field which NVDA reports as "MSG".
One possibility occurs to me. When navigating directly an URL ending in /messages page one sees the Messages view of the list. Near the top of that page is a bar that includes a menu for selecting your view, the Hashtags button, the Search button, a button with a funnel icon (expands a date selector), a search box for finding messages by number, the date order control, and the left-right buttons for previous and next page in the message list. NVDA's report of "MSG" makes me think you may have somehow clicked into search by number box (which does hint "Msg #" to the sighted) rather than into the search dialog proper.

By contrast, when one navigates starting at the home page and clicking the Messages button in the left column one may actually be taken to a page whose URL ends in /topics. This is the Topic view of the Messages list, and it lacks the search by message number box.

You may want to report your observations on beta as a suggestion that the NVDA rendering needs investigation and correction. Mark has been very receptive to fixing screen-reader issues.

Shal


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Re: How do I close a poll

 

Ah, that's part of the wiki that is fairly well developed!

/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Polls

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How do I close a poll

 

I am wondering how to close a poll where results can be sent to me or to members of the group.? I seen where a poll can be deleted, but can it simply be closed and results saved?
Barbara Jean
Re: How do I UNmoderate members #moderation

 

Barbara Jean,

... can one set the photos so that all photos must first be approved
by a moderator without the need to moderate messages?
Sorry, there is no approval process for the upload of photos. The only control is whether members can upload photos or not.

For photos included in email messages, it is possible that the Attachments control in the Message Formatting section will work - one of the options there is to Moderate messages containing attachments. But I haven't tested whether inline photos would be included in that control.

Shal


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Re: How do I UNmoderate members #moderation

 

Shal, can you add this to the wiki when you have time? I looked there to direct Kathryn to it, but it isn't there.

Thanks!

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Re: how to require question in membership application? #membershipapplication

 

On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 08:52 PM, <sally.suzy@...> wrote:
With yahoogroups, you could set it up so that an applying member would have to answer a simply question as to why they wished to join.? This prevented spammers and it helped to assure that the applicant was really interested in the topic of the group.

How would I set up something like that for a new group in groups.io?
Sally -- There is no questionnaire function, but many people use the Pending Subscription notice for this purpose.

For details, please see?/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Screening-New-Members-Using-the-Pending-Subscription-Notice?and?/static/help#membernotices. Let us know if you have further questions.

Regards,
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how to require question in membership application? #membershipapplication

 

With yahoogroups, you could set it up so that an applying member would have to answer a simply question as to why they wished to join.? This prevented spammers and it helped to assure that the applicant was really interested in the topic of the group.

How would I set up something like that for a new group in groups.io?
Re: Notes for moderators

 

On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 07:43 AM, Duane wrote:
I can't verify it since I don't have a paid group, but I believe it becomes a drop down on the members page (where you can choose members, bouncing, etc.)? The most recent information says their Notes should remain.
Ok, I found it, that actually is very cool, shows the reason why each person left, voluntary or otherwise, exactly what I needed.? Thanks again.

Steve
Re: Secondary Email

Marcio
 

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Shal, Bruce, Sandy and everyone else on this thread,
Thanks for joining me on this adventure and for answering many, many questions. Now, this is the end, I guess :)

Below are a few last words.
Bruce, thanks for the step by step and sorry, I completely misinterpreted you.
I was confused because you said:
To complete the process, you do have to confirm the new email address, but nothing is sent to the old one.
I kind of ignored the "new email address" part, probably because that was late night here and such.? Or maybe just because sometimes I'm a bit slow :)

Sandy,
You can go to groups.io and when you try to sign in with your email account, it will ask for a password. Choose the selection that indicates you don't have a password. It will send an email to your current email address inviting you to set up a password. Follow that link. Then if yahoo quits on you, you can go in through the groups.io home page, sign in with the yahoo email address and your password. Then you can get into your account and change the email address. It will send a confirmation to your new email.
Thanks for the instructions. I've already done this, quite a while ago by the way. I was just wondering whether groups.io and my email by itself were different things, it was what wasn't clear :)

Shal,
With a password you'll still be able to log into your Groups.io account using the old email address and that password to log in, even after the old address has been shut down by Yahoo (or whichever service you were using).
Thanks. It was everything I wanted to know in the first place, and maybe it has been said a few times in different ways but as I've said, sometimes I'm a bit slow. LOL

And with that, guys, I think we've finished this saga. If you're still reading it, well, a million thanks for the patience and for all answers offered.

Quoting the Porky Pig, "That's all, folks!"

Cheers,
AKA Starboy

Sent from a galaxy far, far away.
Re: How do I UNmoderate members #moderation

 

Thanks for the info Shal.? As I said my groups are new, as i am currently moving out of yahoo groups due to problems with the photo album section which is important for one of the groups due to it having a photo contest.
But now I do ask one question of you, can one set the photos so that all photos must first be approved by a moderator without the need to moderate messages?
Barbara Jean

On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 10:29 AM Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:
Barbara Jean,


Kathryn: go to settings and then go to spam control.? I think by default the settings is for new users to be moderated.? Just uncheck that box and that should make it where no user is moderated.

That will not affect any current members, they have already been set to NuM (New User Moderated) in the Posting Privileges of their membership page.

Also, the Spam Control section of your group's settings requires that at least one of those boxes be checked. For a classmates group like Kathryn's Restricted Membership may be appropriate, but otherwise NuM may be the best option for the group.

One thing I don't know how to do (and hope I don't ever have to do) is to put an individual on moderated status.
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You can do it by opening the member's page from the Members list, and scrolling to the bottom. In the Posting Privileges section chose Override: moderated then Save the change.

You can do it also directly on the Members list, using the checkboxes and Actions menu, which is handy if you need to do more than one at a time.

Shal


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Re: Secondary Email

 

Shal, I agree with the idea of having more than one owner.? In one of my yahoo groups the actual owner is past away, so there are only moderators. In the other group we about had that same happen, but someone who was close to the person who owned the group was able to recover her password and then turn the group over to me as she really did not have time or desire to actually work the group.
Barbara Jean

On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 10:17 AM Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:
Barbara Jean,


There is nothing wrong with having more than one e-mail address.?

I certainly did not mean to imply that there is. I have several myself.

I was focused on Marcio's original question about what to do if he one day woke up to find that the email address which he uses for his Groups.io account had been disabled.

There is also nothing wrong with having multiple Groups.io accounts, as I do. Primarily for the reason Lena and Donald hinted at - it can provide a backup in case you lose access to your primary one. But that backup is limited: since those are separate accounts they do not own the same content.

It has been mentioned many times in GMF that it is good practice for a group to have more than one owner, just in case. I endorse that idea, and usually create a second owner under a second email address of my own shortly after creating a new group. Even better is to have additional owners who are not oneself, if you can identify trustwothy individuals for that role.

Shal


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Re: Concerning Databases

 

Please tell Ingrid that when she uses "save as" to generate an excel .CSV file, there are more options available to generate the utf-8 file?
BUT invalid characters will only get "flagged" by being replaced with a tiny diamond shape
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Re: How do I UNmoderate members #moderation

 

Barbara Jean,


Kathryn: go to settings and then go to spam control.? I think by default the settings is for new users to be moderated.? Just uncheck that box and that should make it where no user is moderated.

That will not affect any current members, they have already been set to NuM (New User Moderated) in the Posting Privileges of their membership page.

Also, the Spam Control section of your group's settings requires that at least one of those boxes be checked. For a classmates group like Kathryn's Restricted Membership may be appropriate, but otherwise NuM may be the best option for the group.

One thing I don't know how to do (and hope I don't ever have to do) is to put an individual on moderated status.
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You can do it by opening the member's page from the Members list, and scrolling to the bottom. In the Posting Privileges section chose Override: moderated then Save the change.

You can do it also directly on the Members list, using the checkboxes and Actions menu, which is handy if you need to do more than one at a time.

Shal


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Re: Secondary Email

 

Barbara Jean,


There is nothing wrong with having more than one e-mail address.?

I certainly did not mean to imply that there is. I have several myself.

I was focused on Marcio's original question about what to do if he one day woke up to find that the email address which he uses for his Groups.io account had been disabled.

There is also nothing wrong with having multiple Groups.io accounts, as I do. Primarily for the reason Lena and Donald hinted at - it can provide a backup in case you lose access to your primary one. But that backup is limited: since those are separate accounts they do not own the same content.

It has been mentioned many times in GMF that it is good practice for a group to have more than one owner, just in case. I endorse that idea, and usually create a second owner under a second email address of my own shortly after creating a new group. Even better is to have additional owners who are not oneself, if you can identify trustwothy individuals for that role.

Shal


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Re: Concerning Databases

 

Bob,
here is Ingrids answer to your message:
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"Hello everyone, unfortunately I only have Excel available, because Access is not usable for blind people, as far as I know. But I will ask if there is a possibility to create CSV files in UTF8 format anyway. If not, the missing lines have to be added manually. Greetings from Ingrid Scheibe"

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And from Victoria
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