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That is my gut feeling as to what happened. But unless she paid for one?month premium membership in Groups IO?she couldn't direct add these members to the IO group. She would have had to send them invites. ? Now - those members may be duped in?thinking it is the same group as the AOL group so they join. When in fact the owners of the AOL group have nothing to do with the groups IO group. So wouldn't that be fraud? ? I wrote to Lavon personally to find out exactly what happened so we can understand it better without speculation. ? ? ? ? ?

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I know Lavon as she is in some of my groups. I am going to write her off list and see?exactly what?went on. I will let you all know if I can clarify things. Leeni?? ? ? ?

On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 03:17 PM, Leeni wrote:

Let me jump in here... (etc)

Now that explanation begins to make rather more sense, to me anyway!

That does not, however, mean that I have a solution to the problem. Lavon's posts suggest that the miscreant isn't actually a member of the AOL group either, which I find a little baffling. If she is a member, then I would suggest removing her at once, assuming that that action is possible.

I'm not suggesting that this proposal would work, but reporting the matter to [email protected] might be worth trying, but the report will have to be written very carefully to ensure its meaning is much clearer than the reports here. Mark may well see it as something that he can do little or nothing about, but I would expect there would be a better chance of a positive outcome if he can actually understand the problem; if he can't then the chances of him doing anything are non - existent.

Chris

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<p>I think I know what happened as I've done this in the past. She basically collected the email addresses of the members of the AOL group with out anyone's permission and created the group on gropus.io. I have done this in the past with someone's permission. Yeah. I know exactly what she did, correct me if I'm wrong.</p>
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<p>&gt; she took our group and added the group to groups io</p>
<p>You've said that several times, but I still don't know what you mean by "took your group". If she's not even a member of your group, in what way did she "take" it?</p>
<p>An external group (such as an AOL group, whatever that is), cannot be a member of a Groups.io group. Only individual email addresses can be added to a Groups.io group.</p>
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<p>&gt;&gt; Did she add your AOL group's posting address to a Groups.io group?<br />&gt;&gt;<br />&gt;&gt; Did she collect the email addresses of your AOL group's members and<br />&gt;&gt; add them to a Groups.io group?<br />&gt;&gt;<br />&gt;&gt; Or did she simply create a Groups.io group with the same name as your<br />&gt;&gt; AOL group?</p>
<p>If you don't understand my questions, please ask for clarification.</p>
<p>Perhaps you can describe what happened in greater detail.</p>
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On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 10:17 AM, Kevin Conod wrote:

Or is it possible the group has an email integration active that? they don't know about?

That's certainly another possibility, in which case the porn would have arrived with an #email hashtag in the subject line.

I agree with Shal that the first question to be answered is whether the offensive message actually appears in the online message archive. If not, then whoever sent it was spoofing the group address, not posting to it.

Since there has been no follow-up on this we are left to speculate.

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I also send the members a pending application they need to fill out before I approve them. You can do that too and have that statement in that application.?I have the members initial each rule. Now again that is too easy too because they can initial without reading or understanding BUT if they come back to me saying why didn't my email go through right away - I can always refer them back to the paper they initialed which they should have read explaining it all.? ? ? ? ?

On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 03:14 PM, Marcio wrote:

would like to know if there was any other way of letting the person know about their message needing aproval

They could, of course have a look at your group's home page where there is a list of Group Settings that include the use of moderation.

At the same time if members used the web UI they would find that any post that requires moderation will result in a banner at the top advising them of the fact.

IMO it is far, far too easy for people to sign up to a group without ever looking at the "rules and regulations" or having a good look around the web UI to find out what's what and then complain that they don't understand why "something happened" or "didn't happen" as the case may be.

Speaking purely personally I will offer individual members some help, but I draw the line at nurse - maiding them; if they aren't prepared to try to find out for themselves why should I (or anyone else) have to put time and effort into doing everything for them?

Perhaps I'm getting old and grumpy... :)

In your position I would take up Duane's suggestion and put it in the Welcome Message; it will only take a few seconds to do and with luck it will reduce the number of times the question arises, hopefully to zero.

Chris

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Have it written on your homepage so members can see it before they join. That is what I am going to do, plus add it to my Welcome Letter. Leeni? ? ? ? ?

Or is it possible the group has an email integration active that? they don't know about?

If the group owner has set up one of those and a spammer got a hold of that email address they could spam the list. If that's the case one could remove the integration or change the address.

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Let me jump in here (at least this is how?AOL groups?used to work) AOL groups aren't like Groups IO, Google or Yahoo Groups You don't send messages to a group site?and then the group site?sends?the messages out to it's members.? ? In an AOL group?when you share mail, they put everyone's email address in the To Field and then run into the CC field if they need more room. Sometimes they would have initial senders who send mail to let's say 10 people and then those 10 people would send mail to whoever is on their list and so on and so on showing everyone's email address who is being sent mail in the TO or CC field. ? So if the wrong person gets to see those AOL messages they have everyone's email address of the group. That is why?AOL groups really aren't safe groups because someone like whoever Lavon is talking about can see those email addresses and send mail or invites or whatever to all those members of that group. So this person was able to send mail to everyone on Lavon's AOL group's list because she had access to their emails. That is how she was able to send mail to the group without being a member of the group. That is also why etiquette of email sending using the BCC field when sending to multiple groups or people aren't being followed in AOL groups which can lead to spam or in this case sending out messages and invites to these AOL members. ? I am not completely sure what Lavon is talking about but I think that person took the name of Lavon's group and created a groups IO group using the same name. From that point I am lost too. Maybe that person sent out invites to the members of the AOL group and some joined and thus had the same name as a Groups IO group. If that is the case the only wrong doing was the member who sent out unsolicited invites. ? Groups IO isn't in the wrong. How does Groups IO know that someone else is using the name for a group that another person is using from a group set up somewhere else? I also think what Lavon is trying to say is she wants that Groups IO group that this Lady set up using the name of her group closed. ? Leeni ? ? ? ? ? ? ??? ? ? ? ?

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Duane,

On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 10:36 AM, Duane wrote:

but I include this in our Welcome notice for new members:

I came back to make the same point but Duane beat me to it!

Regrettably he had a point when he said It won't help for those people that don't read the messages but it is a perfectly viable solution to the problem you wish to resolve, and avoids landing Mark with additional work which IMHO should not be necessary anyway.

Chris

Chris

but simply adding you to a group wouldn't ordinarily be a violation

Interesting. In my country adding someone to the group (mail list) without his consent or his request is against the law.

On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 02:57 AM, Marcio wrote:

Of course this was because she needed to be approved before posting (this was her first post on the group).

It won't help for those people that don't read the messages, but I include this in our Welcome notice for new members:
"All new members will have their messages moderated (checked) before they will be posted.? There may be delays, sometimes extended, depending on when a moderator can get to it.? After you've made a few posts and we know that you're following the Guidelines, the delay will be removed.? It may be returned at a later time though if your posts don't meet the Guidelines."

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On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 08:57 AM, Marcio wrote:

At that moment she had sent more than three messages just because she haven't gotten any message telling she would need to wait her first message to be approved.

Perhaps she should develop some patience, and at the same time make an attempt to learn how groups (not just on Groups.io) actually operate. I don't think groups anywhere should be set up so that they accommodate people who can't be bothered to find out what's what.

I am in the UK and am well accustomed to longish delays in moderation because this group is moderated in the US.

Life is sometimes frustrating, and we must learn to live with those frustrations.

Chris

Hi,

Lavon,

YES she added our group address and posted to groups io ...

So, if she's not a member of your AOL group, how do her messages in a groups.io group get transmitted to your AOL group members? Does your AOL group allow non-members to post to the group? Can't your AOL group block her messages?

I don't know anything about AOL, but I would expect that AOL's group software allows your group's owners / moderators to remove, ban, or otherwise block her (or anyone) from posting to the group.

when we were an active AOL group.

"Were"? Presumably you still _are_ an active AOL group.

I'm still failing to understand how she and her Groups.io group(s) are causing a problem for your AOL group.

Can you describe for me a sequence of events?

1) She posts to a Groups.io group that she created.
2) That message goes out to the members of her Groups.io group.
3) If your AOL group's posting address is in her Groups.io group's membership then a copy of her message arrives at your AOL group.
4) It is at this point that I'd expect your AOL group software to reject her message (because she's not a member of your AOL group).

That should be the end of it, her message doesn't reach you or your AOL Group's other members.

Where has my understanding failed?

Shal



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Lavon,

she took our group and added the group to groups io

You've said that several times, but I still don't know what you mean by "took your group". If she's not even a member of your group, in what way did she "take" it?

An external group (such as an AOL group, whatever that is), cannot be a member of a Groups.io group. Only individual email addresses can be added to a Groups.io group.

So that leaves me with the questions I asked before:

Did she add your AOL group's posting address to a Groups.io group?

Did she collect the email addresses of your AOL group's members and
add them to a Groups.io group?

Or did she simply create a Groups.io group with the same name as your
AOL group?

If you don't understand my questions, please ask for clarification.

Perhaps you can describe what happened in greater detail.

Shal


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Ellen,

Our distribution list has a new member and I am having a problem
putting them into subgroups.

In the Admin group of pages there's a Subgroups page. This is different from the Subgroups page further down, outside of Admin.

In the Admin Subgroups page is a list of your primary group members, and columns for each subgroup. To add (or remove) a member to a subgroup check (or uncheck) the box in the member's row, in the column for the particular subgroup. Then at the bottom of the page click the blue Update button.

You can use the search box at the upper right to find the new member, or sort the table by the Name or Email columns.

Shal


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